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http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0813821...pf_rd_i=507846

I'm seriously thinking about switching Jamie and the freeloaders (neighbor's cat and a not so wild hedgehog) to a home-cooked diet, in view of all the recalls. My mom has three dogs and a cat, all "seniors", and my sister two dogs and three cats, with one cat qualifying as a "senior", so I'd probably order three copies. Is the book worth the price?

I used to cook all pet food myself, as we had several dogs and one cat for years and years, but we only have Jamie and the "freeloaders" right now, so I've become lazy and just order high quality processed pet food.
post #2 of 28
I remember when I considered getting that book until I read customer reviews about how that book has more dog recipes than cat recipes and too many of the recipes involve clams.

How do you feel about feeding raw? Because I prefer Dr Pitcairn's Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats which definitely has equal proportions of dog recipes and cat recipes and no clams. I love having the book as a reference. The only reason I haven't been preparing the recipes is that I have no idea where to get the supplements.

I've been going the easy way. My cats do get Innova dry and various canned cat foods and I also supplement with a raw recipe easily prepared with My Natural Cat supplement. www.felineinstincts.com

You can also get somethng similar from www.felinefuture.com.
post #3 of 28
This is a very highly regarded book, one I recommend often. My vet had Dr. Strombeck as one of her professors if I understood her correctly

I know it has special recipes too for lower protein, lower phos etc. if needed. I give this a big thumbs up!
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I remember when I considered getting that book until I read customer reviews about how that book has more dog recipes than cat recipes and too many of the recipes involve clams.

How do you feel about feeding raw? Because I prefer Dr Pitcairn's Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats which definitely has equal proportions of dog recipes and cat recipes and no clams. I love having the book as a reference. The only reason I haven't been preparing the recipes is that I have no idea where to get the supplements.

I've been going the easy way. My cats do get Innova dry and various canned cat foods and I also supplement with a raw recipe easily prepared with My Natural Cat supplement. www.felineinstincts.com

You can also get somethng similar from www.felinefuture.com.
Neither Jamie nor Miezi (our neighbor's cat) will eat raw, and I haven't tried raw food with Harry the hedgehog. They're currently getting all-life-stages, no-grain dry food in the morning (Jamie is a dry-food fan), and organic all meat and/or all fish canned food in the evening.
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This is a very highly regarded book, one I recommend often. My vet had Dr. Strombeck as one of her professors if I understood her correctly

I know it has special recipes too for lower protein, lower phos etc. if needed. I give this a big thumbs up!
Maybe I'll just order one copy for when I'm in the U.S. this August, read it through, and see if we need more copies, or can just write down some recipes that look interesting.
I have Dr. Strombeck's chicken and rice recipe for cats with renal disease that I got from another book.

When I cooked for our old cat, I basically used two parts cooked meat to one part cooked brown rice, and added raw carrots, cottage cheese, and vegetable oil (a tablespoon of each per cup of meat). I can't really see Jamie eating that more than once a week. He'd love foods with clams, though. One canned food he never turns down is just organic chicken with a few clams in it.
post #6 of 28
My vet has it and I have gotten recipes out of it... CLams help in taurine level and flavor
post #7 of 28
Hmm, how easy and inexpensive is it to find raw clams? Or are we not using raw clams, and only using cooked? Anyone know? Bet mine would like it. Of course, they'll probably give me the paw.

Anyway, back on topic... um.. I've just ordered and received a book by Elizabeth Hodgkins (sp.) that has a chapter on recipes in it. She's the one, for those who haven't heard of her, that rebutted the pet food industry's speech and make a lot of suggestions about how it should be regulated right after the recall. I know there's a link on the recall thread somewhere. But anyway..

I'm trying to get to that chapter.. I'll probably read it first. I don't know about the book in question, but I'll let you know how this one is.
post #8 of 28
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My vet has it and I have gotten recipes out of it... CLams help in taurine level and flavor
Now that's good to know. My mom has been cooking for her dogs and cat since the recall started, and is giving them all the same chicken or beef/rice/vegetable mixture with some Mazola oil and a dash of salt. Her vets told her she didn't have to supplement the cat's portion as long as she added plain yogurt, and fed a commercial canned food at least one day a week, and milk every day (the cat drinks 3% homogenized, with no signs of a lactose intolerance, and gets sharp cheese as a treat). I know my sister got the same advice about feeding canned cat food once a week from another vet, because her one cat eats the dogs' food, rather than cat food.

I wonder if once a week is really enough? My vet told me not to worry about feeding Jamie (and Miezi) unsupplemented all meat/all fish canned cat food every evening, because he'd get enough amino acids and minerals from the dry he eats. Miezi eats almost anything, so she gets wet or dry for breakfast at home, and "Jamie's" canned food in the evening (it tastes better at our house, apparently, because I order food for her meowmy, too).
post #9 of 28
Ohh, really?? Mine told me that "balanced" food should be the mainstay, and maybe raw as a treat. This was before the "no, we're feeding raw" conversation ensued, but, we put a supplement in, which I imagine that you could do with a cooked diet, just to be sure, maybe once it was cooked. I'd actually like to toss a few clams for good measure in mine. I'm never sure about the "organ" meats...so.. that's a good tidbit to know.
post #10 of 28
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Hmm, how easy and inexpensive is it to find raw clams? Or are we not using raw clams, and only using cooked? Anyone know? Bet mine would like it. Of course, they'll probably give me the paw.

Anyway, back on topic... um.. I've just ordered and received a book by Elizabeth Hodgkins (sp.) that has a chapter on recipes in it. She's the one, for those who haven't heard of her, that rebutted the pet food industry's speech and make a lot of suggestions about how it should be regulated right after the recall. I know there's a link on the recall thread somewhere. But anyway..

I'm trying to get to that chapter.. I'll probably read it first. I don't know about the book in question, but I'll let you know how this one is.

Cooked and often canned since they have juice and many receipes call for it
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Now that's good to know. My mom has been cooking for her dogs and cat since the recall started, and is giving them all the same chicken or beef/rice/vegetable mixture with some Mazola oil and a dash of salt. Her vets told her she didn't have to supplement the cat's portion as long as she added plain yogurt, and fed a commercial canned food at least one day a week, and milk every day (the cat drinks 3% homogenized, with no signs of a lactose intolerance, and gets sharp cheese as a treat). I know my sister got the same advice about feeding canned cat food once a week from another vet, because her one cat eats the dogs' food, rather than cat food.

I wonder if once a week is really enough? My vet told me not to worry about feeding Jamie (and Miezi) unsupplemented all meat/all fish canned cat food every evening, because he'd get enough amino acids and minerals from the dry he eats. Miezi eats almost anything, so she gets wet or dry for breakfast at home, and "Jamie's" canned food in the evening (it tastes better at our house, apparently, because I order food for her meowmy, too).
Yogurt??? That is a new one ... I use a human mineral powder( approved by my vet of course) for a supplement along with the obvious meds( herbs and natural meds) ... I feed canned for about 15% of Kandies diet ...more if she requests... Vet explained every meal DOES NOT need to be balenced just over a few weeks it needs to be , ie beef has something chicken doesnt...
post #11 of 28
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Hmm, how easy and inexpensive is it to find raw clams? Or are we not using raw clams, and only using cooked? Anyone know? Bet mine would like it. Of course, they'll probably give me the paw.

Anyway, back on topic... um.. I've just ordered and received a book by Elizabeth Hodgkins (sp.) that has a chapter on recipes in it. She's the one, for those who haven't heard of her, that rebutted the pet food industry's speech and make a lot of suggestions about how it should be regulated right after the recall. I know there's a link on the recall thread somewhere. But anyway..

I'm trying to get to that chapter.. I'll probably read it first. I don't know about the book in question, but I'll let you know how this one is.
I'd be interested in that book, so please post a review. I can get canned steamed clams here easily enough, but not fresh ones. They're pretty pricey, though. I work in a major city, but we're pretty much landlocked here. My pet food bills are currently running to about €5 (roughly $6.75) a day, so having to put out a few dollars for clams isn't that much of a factor, if I save it on vet bills.
post #12 of 28
I will have to check and see what price they are around here. And I'll try to get that chapter read this evening...but I gotta tell you, it's going to war with the return of Heroes, and if I have to choose, it'll be Heroes... :whistle: Love that show.
post #13 of 28
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Ohh, really?? Mine told me that "balanced" food should be the mainstay, and maybe raw as a treat. This was before the "no, we're feeding raw" conversation ensued, but, we put a supplement in, which I imagine that you could do with a cooked diet, just to be sure, maybe once it was cooked. I'd actually like to toss a few clams for good measure in mine. I'm never sure about the "organ" meats...so.. that's a good tidbit to know.
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Cooked and often canned since they have juice and many receipes call for it


Yogurt??? That is a new one ... I use a human mineral powder( approved by my vet of course) for a supplement along with the obvious meds( herbs and natural meds) ... I feed canned for about 15% of Kandies diet ...more if she requests... Vet explained every meal DOES NOT need to be balenced just over a few weeks it needs to be , ie beef has something chicken doesnt...
It's so confusing, isn't it? I have a powdered calcium/phosphorus supplement, and my vets said it would be okay to use it, but no more than
1/2 teaspoon 2x a week. Yogurt and cottage cheese are apparently a good source of calcium, and they both know that Jamie is a cat milk addict, which means added calcium every day. Miezi is also surprisingly healthy, but she spends most of the day outdoors, and eats lots of mice, rats, and birds. God only knows what she's eating at other neighbors' houses, because she mooches everywhere.
My sister's cat, i.e., the dog food fan, had urinary tract issues until she started to lock him in the bathroom with canned cat food at least once a week, and not let him out till he finished it.
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It's so confusing, isn't it? I have a powdered calcium/phosphorus supplement, and my vets said it would be okay to use it, but no more than
1/2 teaspoon 2x a week. Yogurt and cottage cheese are apparently a good source of calcium, and they both know that Jamie is a cat milk addict, which means added calcium every day. Miezi is also surprisingly healthy, but she spends most of the day outdoors, and eats lots of mice, rats, and birds. God only knows what she's eating at other neighbors' houses, because she mooches everywhere.
My sister's cat, i.e., the dog food fan, had urinary tract issues until she started to lock him in the bathroom with canned cat food at least once a week, and not let him out till he finished it.
the 1/2 teaspoon sound s right .... with a holistic and a holistic mided vet I have learned that a pinch and a sprinkle are REAL measurments
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the 1/2 teaspoon sound s right .... with a holistic and a holistic mided vet I have learned that a pinch and a sprinkle are REAL measurments
The stuff I get is from Finland, and is designed for dogs and cats getting an all-meat diet (1/2 teaspoon for cats a day, 1 for dogs). There's a warning on it that it shouldn't be added every day if (pet) foods other than meat are given. According to the vets I take Jamie and Miezi to, many commercial foods actually contain too many supplements, and I've read that in books, also.

Oh, in addition to plain yogurt and cottage cheese, I was told I could use kefir or quark (curds or curd cheese) in cooked food, or served extra. It's added to the cooked meat and rice, not cooked with them. Jamie likes the quark, but not the kefir.
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The stuff I get is from Finland, and is designed for dogs and cats getting an all-meat diet (1/2 teaspoon for cats a day, 1 for dogs). There's a warning on it that it shouldn't be added every day if (pet) foods other than meat are given. According to the vets I take Jamie and Miezi to, many commercial foods actually contain too many supplements, and I've read that in books, also.

Oh, in addition to plain yogurt and cottage cheese, I was told I could use kefir or quark (curds or curd cheese) in cooked food, or served extra. It's added to the cooked meat and rice, not cooked with them. Jamie likes the quark, but not the kefir.
Jamie I dont know about quark but I agree with you on the kefir

Yes my vet sat me down when she realized I was trying to balance every meal .... live and learn
post #17 of 28
btw, bought some live clams last night, and cooked em. All cats boycotted.
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btw, bought some live clams last night, and cooked em. All cats boycotted.
In this case canned is best as they are steamed in there juices ... you can also get clam juice in a bottle .. I just bought some last night
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btw, bought some live clams last night, and cooked em. All cats boycotted.
Do they normally eat fish? The only seafood I've ever seen Jamie ignore is sardines. It's funny, because two of his brothers won't eat fish, and his only sister turned out to be allergic to almost all seafood. He rejects most foods that don't include seafood.
post #20 of 28
Well, in that they like Meow Mix wet.. go figure.. I tried to give them higher quality, but.. they all boycotted it.. and Meow Mix wet is made up of mostly fish (even the chicken flavors...) they eat it there, in the wet, but also...they're getting salmon in their raw, and sometimes they eat it and sometimes they don't, but all of them boycotted the clams. Which were a serious pain to cook and chop up. And it occurs to me that I really don't like cooking live animals. It's a pretty brutal death... death by boiling.. I'll have to look for the pre-cooked or packaged kind.
post #21 of 28
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And it occurs to me that I really don't like cooking live animals. It's a pretty brutal death... death by boiling.. I'll have to look for the pre-cooked or packaged kind.
I'm the same way, so I go for pre-cooked fresh, or canned. I just bought some canned crabmeat for Jamie yesterday for that reason (his 8th birthday is tomorrow, so he gets a special dinner).
post #22 of 28
The crabs are okay with me... since I'm getting frozen legs, but apparently, according to the clerk who was looking at me like I was a lunatic.... well.. let's go with the short version of the story.. "I need clams, please. Can you get them for me or is there a bag or something somewhere?" "I'll get them. How many?" So after short discussion on how much meat each one produces and how much the cats can eat (during which he was looking at me like..huh?) we got five. I'm like they're a good taurine source. Blank stare. Cooking proceedure explained. Puts them in a holey plastic bag. Sister allergic to shellfish. I explain this, say.. um.. can we put them in a solid plastic bag. He says.. they're alive. I said they were frozen. Him: still alive, they'd die. Don't eat fresh shellfish that have died before you cook them. I'm like, they'll be in boiling water in 20 minutes, put them in another bag, I'll leave the top open. They're not going to escape, right? (Meantime he's looking at me like I've now gone from a looney toon to major freak...).. I was like, sister, shellfish allergy, no hospital trips this evening please. They'll be dead one way or the other in 20 minutes. So he just continues to look at me but puts them in an additional bag.. (which I then carry to the cart.. and then yes, believe it or not... then push the bag down *around* the clams so they can breathe so I can kill them in 15 minutes. I'm certain that guy is still like.. crazy cat lady. The butcher at Safeway chuckles at me regularly. I'm now known as the woman who feeds her cats raw food.

But anyway, yeah, not liking the whole cookin live critters thing. Previously dead.. okay. Maybe if I hadn't had that whole image of them smothering to death in the bag to which I felt obligated to keep them alive until I brutally killed them in boiling water.. hehe.

Ahh, the things I do to try to keep their diet balanced.. definitely canned from now on.. they might like those better anyway.

Any other sources of taurine besides clams and organs?
post #23 of 28
muscle meat aside from rabbit has taurine ... ie chn beef lamb.. not nearly as much as organs
post #24 of 28
Here is a chart showing the amounts of taurine in various foods (scroll down a bit): http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm

I love this site, BTW - lots of information to help in putting together a homecooked or raw diet. Here's a link to main page: http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/nutr.htm
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Here is a chart showing the amounts of taurine in various foods (scroll down a bit): http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm

I love this site, BTW - lots of information to help in putting together a homecooked or raw diet. Here's a link to main page: http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/nutr.htm
GREAT LINKS ..... THANK YOU
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GREAT LINKS ..... THANK YOU
You're welcome! I don't remember how I originally found that site, but it has helped me a lot.
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Here is a chart showing the amounts of taurine in various foods (scroll down a bit): http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm

I love this site, BTW - lots of information to help in putting together a homecooked or raw diet. Here's a link to main page: http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/nutr.htm
Thank you veryy much for posting those links!
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Thank you veryy much for posting those links!
You're welcome! And thank you very much for the gift.
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