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post #31 of 37
4/19/07 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by trixie23 View Post
I agree! I know people suffer and I know some sickness is incurable! he should have been committed! His peers or authority (teachers) should have takin his writings serious and submitted proper action... I think he should have been institutionalized but what is done is done! I agree that word of mouth treatment wasn't an answer! I know his writings (havent heard them yet) may have been a cry for help simply brushed off... Which can cause an angry and aggressive reaction! I think the university didn't handle things properly IMO!
I completely agree with that, they could of handled it alot better, for a school that big im just completely shocked then again they have said and done tests on universitys over here and the one school has 1 button that locks down everydoor to the dorm and schools in that university, why cant other schools be up to date with that but that was a little off topic there lol sorry! But ya the writing he wrote to his teachers were o my, they should have had him hospitilaized IMO, its bad when 2 of ur teachers want u to get help and out of their class u know what i mean! And just making him go see someone or he cant come back isnt much to a person, from my understand he did go see someone but didnt show no more signs more than depression and such and didnt show that he was harm to others and everything! But the way the writings were and everything IMO i would have hospitilaized him! But I completely agree with u
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post #32 of 37
4/19/07 at 2:56pm
There are many serial killers who have functioned for YEARS in society without being detected by their acquantances, neighbors, families, wives, etc. Look at Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway. They may have been seen as a little eccentric, but no one thought they were capable of one murder let alone as many as they did.

I agree with Julie (TWICE in one week - can ya believe it?!?! LOL). There is only one person who bears true responsibility on this one - the killer himself. His parents weren't psychologists or criminal profilers. It's not like there is some kind of checklist or pamphlet that is sent home to all parents: "What to look for in a future serial or spree killer."

How many of us, who (as far as I know) all turned out OK and haven't gone on any killing spree, went through a difficult or despondent phase as teens, pulled away from our families, changed the people we hung out with or at least cut off contact with childhood friends? OK, yes, the triad of predictors for serial killers probably wouldn't apply (late childhood bedwetting, starting fires, cruelty to animals). But for spree killers? I don't think there even IS a commonality list that parents could look for.
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post #33 of 37
4/19/07 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
There are many serial killers who have functioned for YEARS in society without being detected by their acquantances, neighbors, families, wives, etc. Look at Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway. They may have been seen as a little eccentric, but no one thought they were capable of one murder let alone as many as they did.

I agree with Julie (TWICE in one week - can ya believe it?!?! LOL). There is only one person who bears true responsibility on this one - the killer himself. His parents weren't psychologists or criminal profilers. It's not like there is some kind of checklist or pamphlet that is sent home to all parents: "What to look for in a future serial or spree killer."

How many of us, who (as far as I know) all turned out OK and haven't gone on any killing spree, went through a difficult or despondent phase as teens, pulled away from our families, changed the people we hung out with or at least cut off contact with childhood friends? OK, yes, the triad of predictors for serial killers probably wouldn't apply (late childhood bedwetting, starting fires, cruelty to animals). But for spree killers? I don't think there even IS a commonality list that parents could look for.
u put that great lol! i tried to state that all parents dont know what to look for and such with just mental illness, im glad u put this up here too! So very well put, i agree compeletely
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post #34 of 37
4/19/07 at 3:03pm
As for the school, they did everything that they legally could do. He was recommended for counseling, and he refused. The girls who reported him for being creepy and "stalking" them were taken seriously, but even they didn't feel he was a threat to them. He was voluntarily admitted for observation to a mental hospital, as an outpatient, as the judge did not feel it serious enough to court order him admitted (which also would have precluded him from being able to purchase the guns DOH!).

There are so many rules and regulations about committing someone involuntarily, and none of the people had enough to do it. And, beyond that, even though the college had concerns of his mental illness, by law (because he was over 18) they could not even discuss this with his parents.
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post #35 of 37
4/19/07 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
As for the school, they did everything that they legally could do. He was recommended for counseling, and he refused. The girls who reported him for being creepy and "stalking" them were taken seriously, but even they didn't feel he was a threat to them. He was voluntarily admitted for observation to a mental hospital, as an outpatient, as the judge did not feel it serious enough to court order him admitted (which also would have precluded him from being able to purchase the guns DOH!).

There are so many rules and regulations about committing someone involuntarily, and none of the people had enough to do it. And, beyond that, even though the college had concerns of his mental illness, by law (because he was over 18) they could not even discuss this with his parents.
Well said! Nothing is 100%, and it appears that efforts were made in this case.
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post #36 of 37
4/19/07 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
As for the school, they did everything that they legally could do. He was recommended for counseling, and he refused. The girls who reported him for being creepy and "stalking" them were taken seriously, but even they didn't feel he was a threat to them. He was voluntarily admitted for observation to a mental hospital, as an outpatient, as the judge did not feel it serious enough to court order him admitted (which also would have precluded him from being able to purchase the guns DOH!).

There are so many rules and regulations about committing someone involuntarily, and none of the people had enough to do it. And, beyond that, even though the college had concerns of his mental illness, by law (because he was over 18) they could not even discuss this with his parents.
Excellent! It's all about due diligence, nothing can ever be fault proof. If every place took the time to make sure that NO ONE got hurt, then we would have a big brother society. The gun shop did what they were suppose to in selling him a gun, the school notified the students within 15 minutes of what was going on, many people came forth. Heck, VA Tech has one of the BEST security/incident response plans for disaster of all the colleges. Their cops have their stuff together.

There is only so much that can be done without breaking the law.
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post #37 of 37
4/19/07 at 5:29pm
Also, there is something to be said for having a mental illness and also understanding that the impulses you feel are just wrong and seeking out help yourself.

When I was 16 and my illness started to manifest itself, I kept having suicidal impulses that would come at me out of nowhere and totally freak me out, because I felt I had no control over what I might do to myself. I've never felt homicidal but I guess it's similar for those who do - not being able to control what you might do is a HUGE fear.

After I had these feelings for a while and realised they weren't just going to `go away' I went to my doctor, and got help. I persisted until I got the right help, and I've been living successfully and functioning successfully ever since. Sure, there's been hiccups along the way, some things have happened that have put me in hospital, but at the end of the day, I knew how I felt wasn't normal and got myself help.

So do many, many people with mental illnesses. This person would have known how abnormal his feelings were, but he was also so filled with hate and furious rage that he refused to do anything about it. That makes him responsible, culpable and absolutely guilty in my view. Sick or not - help was available, was almost forced on him, and he avoided and dodged it at every turn.
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