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post #91 of 140
4/17/07 at 3:47pm
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One of the professors who died trying to protect his students was a buckeye, BA through PhD. I feel for his department, they were still close colleagues.

This tragedy touches everyone.
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post #92 of 140
4/17/07 at 4:56pm
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I'm looking at it from a teacher's point of view. I see kids (at a junior college level, so most aren't minors) with all sorts of psychological problems, including depression, OCD, bulimia/anorexia, self-mutilation,etc., and know how difficult it is to "force" somebody into treatment. It often doesn't work, even when the families are cooperative.
No problem-o! Like I said in my PM, I'm taking quick glances at work. People actually want me to work for some reason

Anyway, maybe I just sensitive towards Detroit being associated with bad things, but in the CNN article what was the purpose of them saying that his perminant residence was gained through Detroit? Why couldn't they just say he gained it legally????

I know most of you are intelligent enough that you probably didn't think anything of it when you read it, BUT often times when I'm visiting in another state people react differently when I say I'm from Detroit area rather than Ann Arbor or Lansing. Now we'll be associated as allowing psychos in for perminant residences for those that like to keep a closed mind about Detroit.
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post #93 of 140
4/17/07 at 5:03pm
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Well-- they also keep saying he is from South Korea when he moved to the US when he was 8. He's from DC, really.

I think the news is very detail oriented, as the more details they can give us the better they sound. I didn't think anything about Detroit from the broadcast announcing that (that I didn't already think-- just kidding!).
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post #94 of 140
4/17/07 at 5:07pm
The most touching and heroic action during the rampage IMO, was the 80 year-old Holocaust survivor Professor that sacrificed his life blocking the door with his body while his students escaped out the window.

The Professor was shot multiple times through the door and died at the scene.

That leaves me speechless.
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post #95 of 140
4/17/07 at 7:28pm
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A senseless act by an insane person.


I think our gun policies in the US are just fine.
SO DO I<That MAN killed those people> The gun was nothing more than a tool like an ax,a knife or even a pencil! Its not the tool that kills,its the man.Should we band all things that kill or injure? (SP) Should we take away cars. Its not the car that goes to jail if someone dies in a accdent. Now put a pencil in the right spot,and some one dies. don't jail the gun jail the man.
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post #96 of 140
4/17/07 at 7:41pm
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No problem-o! Like I said in my PM, I'm taking quick glances at work. People actually want me to work for some reason

Anyway, maybe I just sensitive towards Detroit being associated with bad things, .

i hear that the rest of the country is going to be voting to give detrioit back to canada.

anyway, you cant see a man gulity for what in his mind. look at the books, movies etc, that come out. SOmeone has to be sick to write those to start with , but we pay millions or more to read and see them.
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post #97 of 140
4/17/07 at 7:46pm
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The most touching and heroic action during the rampage IMO, was the 80 year-old Holocaust survivor Professor that sacrificed his life blocking the door with his body while his students escaped out the window.

The Professor was shot multiple times through the door and died at the scene.

That leaves me speechless.
Me too, Cindy. Especially since it was Holocaust Remembrance Day, so I'm sure he had a lot on his mind - so many horrible memories - already. And yet, he gave his own life to save others. That is a hero.
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post #98 of 140
4/17/07 at 7:47pm
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i hear that the rest of the country is going to be voting to give detrioit back to canada.

anyway, you cant see a man gulity for what in his mind. look at the books, movies etc, that come out. SOmeone has to be sick to write those to start with , but we pay millions or more to read and see them.
I think it's different though when someone is already in the business of making movies or writing books and they write something disturbing. It's a different situation when that person is in English class and writes a poem about slaughtering people. Not to say that they're not allowed to do that, but it's alittle inappropriate don't you think?
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post #99 of 140
4/17/07 at 7:50pm
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I think it's different though when someone is already in the business of making movies or writing books and they write something disturbing. It's a different situation when that person is in English class and writes a poem about slaughtering people. Not to say that they're not allowed to do that, but it's alittle inappropriate don't you think?
nope not at all,

so the next time someone who is not yetfamous writes.
sometihng that many find inappropriate we should lock them up?
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post #100 of 140
4/17/07 at 8:26pm
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i hear that the rest of the country is going to be voting to give detrioit back to canada.
Well if that happens then Canada's death by gun rate just increased to 5 per day!
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post #101 of 140
4/17/07 at 8:28pm
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Well if that happens then Canada's death by gun rate just increased to 5 per day!
a friend of mine was just trying to get me to move there.
he was telling me i could get a house there for 60,000 that would cost 200,000 here, first i dont know if that is true. second i would need a job there.
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post #102 of 140
4/17/07 at 8:29pm
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I think it's different though when someone is already in the business of making movies or writing books and they write something disturbing. It's a different situation when that person is in English class and writes a poem about slaughtering people. Not to say that they're not allowed to do that, but it's alittle inappropriate don't you think?
You can be disturbing and still be sane about it. Mostly though they may be struggling with some deeper issues that they may or may not realise. I.e I had a friend in high school that was obsessed with death, to the point that she was writing poems about killing herself. Guess what - she had a 90% suicide rate according to the doctors.
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post #103 of 140
4/17/07 at 8:35pm
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Me too, Cindy. Especially since it was Holocaust Remembrance Day, so I'm sure he had a lot on his mind - so many horrible memories - already. And yet, he gave his own life to save others. That is a hero.
That's unbelievable. That poor old man survived all those horrors, made it out the other side, thought he had escaped the worst terror of his life, only to be randomly killed by some psycho with a gun and a vendetta.

The only thing that makes me more angry about all the innocent deaths in these situations is that the cowards shoot themselves as well and escape justice.
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post #104 of 140
4/18/07 at 5:35am
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a friend of mine was just trying to get me to move there.
he was telling me i could get a house there for 60,000 that would cost 200,000 here, first i dont know if that is true. second i would need a job there.
Back in the day I wanted to move there, but someone told me that if I earn citizenship since I was not a natural born citizen I would bethe last person in the WHOLE COUNTRY to be asked for a job. I don't know how true it is or not. Eh. I stopped practising my "abuts" after that.
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post #105 of 140
4/18/07 at 7:17am
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That's unbelievable. That poor old man survived all those horrors, made it out the other side, thought he had escaped the worst terror of his life, only to be randomly killed by some psycho with a gun and a vendetta.

The only thing that makes me more angry about all the innocent deaths in these situations is that the cowards shoot themselves as well and escape justice.

Who know, maybe that is why he made it through the horrors of the Holocaust, to live to save his student's lives. Who knows?
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post #106 of 140
4/18/07 at 7:23am
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Back in the day I wanted to move there, but someone told me that if I earn citizenship since I was not a natural born citizen I would bethe last person in the WHOLE COUNTRY to be asked for a job. I don't know how true it is or not. Eh. I stopped practising my "abuts" after that.

eheh sorry no more making fun of those north of ohio,
at least in this thread
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post #107 of 140
4/18/07 at 11:24am
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The only thing that makes me more angry about all the innocent deaths in these situations is that the cowards shoot themselves as well and escape justice.
I don't always believe what the media reports. Police often hush up their involvement by reporting that the killer committed suicide. In the case of the high school girl killings a few months back, I knew a woman who was on the scene and witnessed the police shooting the killer. It was reported as a suicide. I heard last night that the police admitted to shooting this killer.

As much as I would like these *ssholes get the justice they deserve, the police simply can't afford to just cripple them and hope that they stop shooting. I think they kill them in most of the cases but don't report that detail.

And what justice would be fitting for these people? I can't think of anything harsh enough.
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post #108 of 140
4/18/07 at 11:38am
You could say it's "suicide by cop" in many of those cases. Regardless, I don't think that the cops would be blamed one bit by taking him out, or any of the psychos who go into schools shooting them up...
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post #109 of 140
4/18/07 at 11:53am
I agree Heidi. If it saves lives the police are suppose to take the shooter out. The police probably hides the fact that they kill the shooter just because of the number of complaints they would receive from human rights activists: "He was just mentally sick, you could have saved him" Blah blah blah.

The only downside to this is that with the shooter gone, we don't fully know his motivation. Everything is all speculation by both the media and the police. There are some facts that help support the speculation, but still without the shooter, we will truely never know why.
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post #110 of 140
4/18/07 at 12:18pm
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nope not at all,

so the next time someone who is not yetfamous writes.
sometihng that many find inappropriate we should lock them up?
No, I meant to say more that it's inappropriate in certain contexts. If you're in a film or play writing class I personally think it's alittle different than if you're just in English class. In the former classes you're expected to write about other subjects that may have a more sinister nature, not so if you're just in a general studies class in high school or college.

I never said they should be locked up, but I think the person should be looked at alittle more closely because alot of times those who do terrible things like this, all have things like that in common with talking about violence, and violent writings in school.
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post #111 of 140
4/18/07 at 1:15pm
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He was sent away to a mental health facility for two nights and the school never heard any more complaints about stalking or threatening behavior after that.

It does say something that when this happened a couple years after a lot of his incidents, many people who had come into contact with him immediately figured it must be him.

Nikki Giovanni even said he wasn't troubled, he was just flat-out mean. (She was the teacher who got him kicked out of class)
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post #112 of 140
4/18/07 at 1:35pm
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Nikki Giovanni even said he wasn't troubled, he was just flat-out mean. (She was the teacher who got him kicked out of class)
Yea I read that account. I was glad to hear that the students approached her on him taking their pictures in class.

Have there been any other teachers that have come forth about his behavior in class? Just curious since there is only one account. I know its difficult to gage, especially if he mainly took classes that held 100 students or more.
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post #113 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:08pm
this is all just really heartbreaking two of my good friends go to college at VT. They are planning to try and come home at some point this weekend if they're able to to see their family and friends. i am soo glad that they were ok. (they weren't in the building where the shootings happened). my heart breaks for those who have lost loved ones
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post #114 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:11pm
Good god...

he contacted NBC in between the killings, in that 2 hour window...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

I haven't read it, as I'm at work, but that is....I don't even know what to say...
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post #115 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:16pm
This is aweful! Our news station just announced that the VT shooter sent NBC a package with disturbing things in it postmarked between the time the shootings in the dorm occured and the time the shooting in norris hall occured. I'm glad that sick ...... is dead! This is just aweful! I'll try to find an official link to post.
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post #116 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:19pm
Will airing it give him his final wish? That's the argument right now.
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post #117 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:20pm
here are some links on the story

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/...h_shooting_230

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/18/vte...ion=cnn_latest
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post #118 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:22pm
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Will airing it give him his final wish? That's the argument right now.
who knows... i think that the victims families and others affected have a right to see this if they choose to though. the news station here showed just one picture and it was soooo disturbing. he was standing up and had two guns pointed with his holsters on and everything. Sick sick freak
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post #119 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Good god...

he contacted NBC in between the killings, in that 2 hour window...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

I haven't read it, as I'm at work, but that is....I don't even know what to say...
i'm just as distrubed as you are- i posted a new thread about it. they showed one of the pictures on our news station- it was just eery.
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post #120 of 140
4/18/07 at 3:26pm
I seen the pick. It looked like a movie ad or something!
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