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Yes, don't be argumentative. Be mature and rational.
I know it's a hard choice but if your mom won't give Mika everything she needs, she should probably go somewhere else where she can get proper care.
 
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No Maxy, she won't let her in, and she has no fleas. And I told her I could give her a bath, to make sure she has no fleas, and if she does, it should get rid of most of them. But she has no fleas, and I will try to talk to her, calmly. Cause I really don't want Hershey to kill the babies. I know my step-dad could care less though. But, then again, Mika has been licking her back end a lot, (I have her in the house now, cause my parents are sleeping) I have caught her licking back there. But then again, she could just be grooming herself. I will try and talk to her again though, calmly.
 

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this seems to have got confusing , for those who dont know, Mika is a stray cat , so its not like her mum has just left her outside. the only reason i say this is , some of the posts seem to think its her cat , spirita has been looking after it with her own money for food, and trying to do the best she can.
i have said this once but will say it again.
i would throw a fit if i found out ADULTS were telling my daughter what to say to me , and then telling you all what i have said.

dont get me wrong i 100% agree with you all, and i have said so before , try and find a safe place inside for her to have her kittens (weather it be your granmothers house , a friends house , or your sisters.
if this does not work then call around some rescues , tell them the situation , tell them you would like to see mika and the kittens once born , they might have a foster who can help.
good luck and i do wish you all the best.
 

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Hmm, are flea medication safe to use on preg ccats? if so get some and treat her. then talk to your mom about it. if you "fix-for lack of a better word" all of her excuses that she gives you maybe eventually she will just give in. if you could keep her inside for the birth and untill the kittens are 8 weeks at the very least that woul dbe good. just tell herit wouldn't have to be permanently. jsut for her to have her kittens and raise them.
 

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i dont know if you can get this but you can use frontline spray (not spot on) but the spray this can be used on pregnant cats and kittens when there 4 days old. if you speak to a vet you can normally go in and pick it up without bringing the cat , he will tell you how much to put on and the best way to do this. here in the uk it costs about £10 for a tiny bottle , then £18 for a meduim and £27 for a large bottle. i know its different where you are but maybe find out about it ?
 

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i would throw a fit if i found out ADULTS were telling my daughter what to say to me , and then telling you all what i have said.
I'm not an adult, I'm 15 but I do under stand what you mean. I agree that maybe you should see if your sister can take care of them until the kittens go to a new home. Now where was Hershey sleeping before? Was it a Storage room? If that room is clean and there are no chemicals in there do you think she could go in there to have them? You'll still need to make her some sort of box for her to have the kittens in. Good Luck!
 

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I don't have really any advice to give- sorry about that. But, I do want to say that I think you have a very big heart! Sometimes, the heart causes us to bite off more than we can chew! That's not a fault, just something to work around. I don't want you to get down on yourself at ALL! You care so much, I am sure that you will do what is best. I just wanted to send you some hugs
Hang in there hun
 

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I do feel for your situation, Spirita. Please don't think I'm an old crabby nag, or that I don't appreciate all of your heartfelt efforts.

I just hope and pray that everything works in your favor. Right now, as the situation stands, there's a lot of room for things to go wrong, and the possibility of having a poor outcome is rather high. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. I do think you can become an even stronger advocate for Mika and her kittens, and do what is best (even though I know how heart-breaking the decision will be), and surrender her to a no-kill rescue, where she can have the babies safely, and then later be spayed. I only recommend this if your sister can't take Mika, or your grandmother...these are very promising and viable options, however, that I think you should look into ASAP, as Mika's close to delivery.

I just don't see your folks budging on this issue, and what a shame. At least you have a strong and caring heart, and are trying to act in the best interests of your pets...Hershey also deserves better. But, as people on Chazhound told you...although it isn't ideal that Hershey be thrown outside permanently, I do feel that you need him, and he needs you, and that Hershey could do A LOT WORSE in the way of homes. Hershey's neutered, is fed/watered, played with, and is deeply loved by YOU. Mika's situation to me is different. She will NOT be spayed under your parents' jurisdiction, and will continue having more and more kittens. I guarantee that her little body will suffer from that over time...and she also would be safer delivering and caring for her litter indoors. I just see too many things wrong with allowing her to deliver outdoors, only to lose her kittens, have them killed, and then becoming immediately pregnant again and again.

As far as the whole "I'd be angry as a parent if a group of adults were telling my child what to do" thing goes, I have a very different view. The only people your parents should be angry and disappointed in is themselves...and I would definitely say as much to their faces.

Shame on them for not caring enough about Mika, or allowing you to do what is right by her and her litter...because somewhere deep in the recesses of their hearts, they know you're right about this too. They are basically putting their own desires first, which so many humans do, even if they know it isn't entirely right. Do I think your parents are bad or evil people? Not necessarily, but their actions are harmful, and selfish. And no, I feel no hesitation in calling it like I see it, even if you are their child.

There is a greater good here, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with other people directing a child's behavior toward her parents. It has everything to do with a young lady who is caught between a rock and a hard place...she is torn between obeying her parents as a minor (whose behavior is irresponsible, selfish, and plain ol' wrong), or doing the right thing. THAT is the issue we are really dealing with here.

I say, keep the greater good in mind, and I think you know what I mean.
 

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What a lovely post. Everything I wanted to say but so beautifully put.

I dont think anybody is telling this girl to be rude or disobedient to her parents we are just advising a confused young woman on her options regarding Mika.

I hope all works out well for you and Mika. It sounds like a heartbreaking situation for Spirita.
 

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Originally Posted by wookie130

I do feel for your situation, Spirita. Please don't think I'm an old crabby nag, or that I don't appreciate all of your heartfelt efforts.

I just hope and pray that everything works in your favor. Right now, as the situation stands, there's a lot of room for things to go wrong, and the possibility of having a poor outcome is rather high. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. I do think you can become an even stronger advocate for Mika and her kittens, and do what is best (even though I know how heart-breaking the decision will be), and surrender her to a no-kill rescue, where she can have the babies safely, and then later be spayed. I only recommend this if your sister can't take Mika, or your grandmother...these are very promising and viable options, however, that I think you should look into ASAP, as Mika's close to delivery.

I just don't see your folks budging on this issue, and what a shame. At least you have a strong and caring heart, and are trying to act in the best interests of your pets...Hershey also deserves better. But, as people on Chazhound told you...although it isn't ideal that Hershey be thrown outside permanently, I do feel that you need him, and he needs you, and that Hershey could do A LOT WORSE in the way of homes. Hershey's neutered, is fed/watered, played with, and is deeply loved by YOU. Mika's situation to me is different. She will NOT be spayed under your parents' jurisdiction, and will continue having more and more kittens. I guarantee that her little body will suffer from that over time...and she also would be safer delivering and caring for her litter indoors. I just see too many things wrong with allowing her to deliver outdoors, only to lose her kittens, have them killed, and then becoming immediately pregnant again and again.

As far as the whole "I'd be angry as a parent if a group of adults were telling my child what to do" thing goes, I have a very different view. The only people your parents should be angry and disappointed in is themselves...and I would definitely say as much to their faces.

Shame on them for not caring enough about Mika, or allowing you to do what is right by her and her litter...because somewhere deep in the recesses of their hearts, they know you're right about this too. They are basically putting their own desires first, which so many humans do, even if they know it isn't entirely right. Do I think your parents are bad or evil people? Not necessarily, but their actions are harmful, and selfish. And no, I feel no hesitation in calling it like I see it, even if you are their child.

There is a greater good here, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with other people directing a child's behavior toward her parents. It has everything to do with a young lady who is caught between a rock and a hard place...she is torn between obeying her parents as a minor (whose behavior is irresponsible, selfish, and plain ol' wrong), or doing the right thing. THAT is the issue we are really dealing with here.

I say, keep the greater good in mind, and I think you know what I mean.
very nicely put , but you still have to understand its not there cat so they dont HAVE to do anything. yes i would take in this cat , or any other animal that needed me , but not everyone is like that.
there could be money issues involved , there could be a number of reasons as to why they will not take mika in , and thay may not have told spirita the hole truth about the reasons so not to worry her.
and i agree , spirita has a big heart . yes i think if she can not bring this cat in , let her have her kittens then get her spayed mika should be found a nice warm home , or as you said a no kill shelter. but if this dosnt happen i wish her and mika all the very best.
 

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Originally Posted by wookie130

I do feel for your situation, Spirita. Please don't think I'm an old crabby nag, or that I don't appreciate all of your heartfelt efforts.

I just hope and pray that everything works in your favor. Right now, as the situation stands, there's a lot of room for things to go wrong, and the possibility of having a poor outcome is rather high. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. I do think you can become an even stronger advocate for Mika and her kittens, and do what is best (even though I know how heart-breaking the decision will be), and surrender her to a no-kill rescue, where she can have the babies safely, and then later be spayed. I only recommend this if your sister can't take Mika, or your grandmother...these are very promising and viable options, however, that I think you should look into ASAP, as Mika's close to delivery.

I just don't see your folks budging on this issue, and what a shame. At least you have a strong and caring heart, and are trying to act in the best interests of your pets...Hershey also deserves better. But, as people on Chazhound told you...although it isn't ideal that Hershey be thrown outside permanently, I do feel that you need him, and he needs you, and that Hershey could do A LOT WORSE in the way of homes. Hershey's neutered, is fed/watered, played with, and is deeply loved by YOU. Mika's situation to me is different. She will NOT be spayed under your parents' jurisdiction, and will continue having more and more kittens. I guarantee that her little body will suffer from that over time...and she also would be safer delivering and caring for her litter indoors. I just see too many things wrong with allowing her to deliver outdoors, only to lose her kittens, have them killed, and then becoming immediately pregnant again and again.

As far as the whole "I'd be angry as a parent if a group of adults were telling my child what to do" thing goes, I have a very different view. The only people your parents should be angry and disappointed in is themselves...and I would definitely say as much to their faces.

Shame on them for not caring enough about Mika, or allowing you to do what is right by her and her litter...because somewhere deep in the recesses of their hearts, they know you're right about this too. They are basically putting their own desires first, which so many humans do, even if they know it isn't entirely right. Do I think your parents are bad or evil people? Not necessarily, but their actions are harmful, and selfish. And no, I feel no hesitation in calling it like I see it, even if you are their child.

There is a greater good here, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with other people directing a child's behavior toward her parents. It has everything to do with a young lady who is caught between a rock and a hard place...she is torn between obeying her parents as a minor (whose behavior is irresponsible, selfish, and plain ol' wrong), or doing the right thing. THAT is the issue we are really dealing with here.

I say, keep the greater good in mind, and I think you know what I mean.
Very, very well put.
I agree.


Originally Posted by XxtashaxX

very nicely put , but you still have to understand its not there cat so they dont HAVE to do anything. yes i would take in this cat , or any other animal that needed me , but not everyone is like that.
there could be money issues involved , there could be a number of reasons as to why they will not take mika in , and thay may not have told spirita the hole truth about the reasons so not to worry her.
and i agree , spirita has a big heart . yes i think if she can not bring this cat in , let her have her kittens then get her spayed mika should be found a nice warm home , or as you said a no kill shelter. but if this dosnt happen i wish her and mika all the very best.
Mika is their cat, she's just an outdoor cat who is not allowed inside.
 
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