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post #31 of 48
That is a BIG GUn ...
post #32 of 48
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What do you mean? Strong stuff? Good?

As a related question, can you see passed urinary crystals with the naked eye, or do you need a microscope. Can the crystals come and go during the day, or does the cat pass a bit every time? I'm asking because Inka seems to like to pee in the bathroom sink when she's having troubles. Partly because I'm sure she associates the litter box with pain. Anyways, after we brought her home she peed in the sink, and I could swear I could see little gritty substances in her urine. I'm not totally sure if it was from her because the sink wasn't exactly spotless, but I'm just a little worried that they were crystals.
post #33 of 48
Most crystals need a scope ... some rarely the naked eye

Baytril is the LAST one my vet uses... VERY STRONG and LOTs of side effects...she also doesnt use it in older cats
post #34 of 48
From what I know, you need a microscope to see the crystals. However, cat urine does begin to crystallize once it's out, exposed to the air. If you've ever found an old spot, especially on plastic...there will be nothing but a yellow spot with a sandy appearance, no liquid left.

Baytril is my vet's 1st choice for UTI's. Beandip didn't have any trouble with it, no loose stools or stomach upset like Clavamox, but I have heard something about Baytril in older cats. I can't remember what exactly, but I remember something.
post #35 of 48
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When the first vet prescribed the Baytril, I think it was for our convenience. She asked if we'd ever pilled a cat before, and we said yes (we had to pill the brother before), but it was definitely a chore. She thought it might be a good idea to give us a pill that we would only have to give once a day.

It turns out though that Inka's been much better with the pills than Tux, but I think we're getting better at it too. With Tux we tried the kneeling on the floor, cat between our legs method. With Inka, my girlfriend holds her in her arms, and I control Inka's head with one hand, and drop the pill to the back of the throat with the other hand. Even my aim is getting better . With Tux it was 3-4 tries per night and chasing after slobbery pills. With Inka's it's been done and over in less than a minute each night.
post #36 of 48
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When the first vet prescribed the Baytril, I think it was for our convenience. She asked if we'd ever pilled a cat before, and we said yes (we had to pill the brother before), but it was definitely a chore. She thought it might be a good idea to give us a pill that we would only have to give once a day.

It turns out though that Inka's been much better with the pills than Tux, but I think we're getting better at it too. With Tux we tried the kneeling on the floor, cat between our legs method. With Inka, my girlfriend holds her in her arms, and I control Inka's head with one hand, and drop the pill to the back of the throat with the other hand. Even my aim is getting better . With Tux it was 3-4 tries per night and chasing after slobbery pills. With Inka's it's been done and over in less than a minute each night.
Well at least Inka is cooperative. I do see the point about Baytril being 1x a day...makes sense. Twice is a day is twice as much fun (NOT!).

I've been there with the slobbery pills.

To answer your other question about crystals, I would say it's fairly consistent once a cat has that problem...I mean until it's cleared up it's probably an every time thing...not hit and miss. I hope that makes sense.
post #37 of 48
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Another question here...

Is it possible for food intolerances/allergies to cause, aggravate, or prolong UTI-like symptoms? I got to thinking today that Inka got her first checkup for the infection on April 7. Early March was about the time that we converted them over to Felidae dry. They seem to be doing well on it, but I've always wondered how they would take to the multiple meat sources (first ingredients are chicken meal, turkey meal, brown rice, lamb meal, chicken fat, and herring meal).

I just bought another, bigger bag of Felidae today, but now I'm second-guessing my decision. Unfortunately both pet stores around here that carry it only carry the original formula and not the chicken + rice.

Any thoughts?
post #38 of 48
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Another question here...

Is it possible for food intolerances/allergies to cause, aggravate, or prolong UTI-like symptoms? I got to thinking today that Inka got her first checkup for the infection on April 7. Early March was about the time that we converted them over to Felidae dry. They seem to be doing well on it, but I've always wondered how they would take to the multiple meat sources (first ingredients are chicken meal, turkey meal, brown rice, lamb meal, chicken fat, and herring meal).

I just bought another, bigger bag of Felidae today, but now I'm second-guessing my decision. Unfortunately both pet stores around here that carry it only carry the original formula and not the chicken + rice.

Any thoughts?
YES allergies can aggravate and sometimes are the cause of UTI ... I would actually say the lamb is likely a bigger culprit it can be a inflamation causer ...
post #39 of 48
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So... time for another update on Inka. No real good news unfortunately .

Inka pretty much just finished week 4 on the Baytril, with no real signs of the infection clearing. As before, most of her days on the antibiotics would be good, but there would be the odd day here and there when we would see some blood remaining in the urine, so it has obviously not cleared.

We were back in our old hometown this weekend, so the girlfriend's mother set up an appointment for Inka at yet another vet. An x-ray was taken to look for stones, and nothing was found. We asked again about a urinalysis, but he said that at this point a urinalysis would not be useful as she had already been on antibiotics for awhile (and like last time, Inka's bladder was pretty much empty). Now that I think back though, would another urinalysis have been useful to confirm that there were no crystals present? Because really, her last sample was taken when she peed on the floor. Not exactly the cleanest sample I'm sure.

Anyways, he gave us a different antibiotic to try. I think it was called amoxil...? He also recommended that we put her on Medi-Cal's preventive dry formula for the rest of her life. I really would like to avoid feeding her the Medi-Cal however because of all the recalls, and the potential for corn gluten to be added to the mix. Royal Canin already had some pet deaths in South Africa on account of tainted corn gluten. Not to mention, with all the research I've done these past few months, I know there is so much better food out there. Unfortunately, it's not a view that was shared by this vet.

Is there something else we should have asked? Can anybody see any positives from this vet visit? It's been 4 weeks with this infection now, and I'm starting to lose my patience. It seems that the vets seem content with prescribing antibiotics without doing any real tests. I just want Inka to get over this.
post #40 of 48
Okay I am going to play dumb....

Does Inky like wet food???

Are you willing to make homade???

I know that Seregetti s grain free seems to fall in line with UTI friendly

Any crystals?>?? if so which kind??
post #41 of 48
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I don't think you could play dumb if you tried.

Inka does like wet food, yes. Her brother ends up eating more of it, but she does eat a good portion of it.

I am not willing to go homemade.

I have not seen any Serengeti around here.

Her 2nd of the 3 vet visits, Inka peed on the floor, and we were able to get a urinalysis from that. According to that vet, she could not find any crystals.
post #42 of 48
Good girl Inky for giving a urine sample .... No crystals actually makes it a bit easier... Now what MEATS and GRAINS have been used in the last sixth months or since UTI issues arouse>>?

Increase wet food ... see other thread...

On a closer look Serengetti is not Uti friendly ,,,
post #43 of 48
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Now what MEATS and GRAINS have been used in the last sixth months or since UTI issues arouse>>?
Well, for dry food, they've been on 2 brands in the last 6 months.

Nutrience Junior Kitten... it's basically a chicken formula with brewers' rice and ground corn.

Felidae Cat + Kitten... Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat, (Preserved with mixed Tocopherols), Herring Meal

We stopped feeding the Felidae almost 2 weeks ago though and went back to their Nutrience formula, in the hopes of limiting the number of meat sources.

Wet food is much more varied. We've alternated with a bunch of different brands.... Felidae, Eagle Pack Holistic, Merrick's, Wellness, and Nature's Variety Prairie. She was getting more fish in her diet before, but in the past few weeks I've limited her wet food to chicken and turkey flavors. The only real grains I remember seeing on the cans was rice.
post #44 of 48
With the recall this may be hard but I would suggest AVOIDING chicken and rice... you may have a not so common allergy going on

what is her PH ???
post #45 of 48
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what is her PH ???
I don't know her PH. When the urinalysis was done, we were told very little about results.
post #46 of 48
If you can get that it can be a KEY in finding out what if any food may be an issue
post #47 of 48
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If you can get that it can be a KEY in finding out what if any food may be an issue
Shouldn't a vet know this?

We've been to 3 different vets (availability problems), and not one of them has thought to find this out. When I go to the doctor, I expect him to tell me what's wrong, not the other way around.
post #48 of 48
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Shouldn't a vet know this?

We've been to 3 different vets (availability problems), and not one of them has thought to find this out. When I go to the doctor, I expect him to tell me what's wrong, not the other way around.
Yes, it's one of the most important pieces of info when it comes to bladder/urinary issues. It's part of the info gathered from the urinalysis.

That's discouraging that you've seen 3 vets and all they do is give you more antibiotics. Perhaps they're not aggressive with testing because of her age, but at a year old...that's plenty old "enough" to do the normal tests IMO.

After 4 weeks on Baytril - which should knock a UTI out ... I would ask for a urinalysis AND a culture & sensitivity test. The C&S test will determine the exact bacteria present (if any) and consequently the correct antibiotic for that particular bacteria.
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