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post #1 of 68
4/12/07 at 3:16pm
Thread Starter 
I got this as an email today and found it to be so true and so sad.



SCHOOL 1976 vs 2006
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school
parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1976 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to
his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2006 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to
jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for
traumatized students and teachers.

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Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1976 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end
up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody
expelled.
2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark.
Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

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Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1976 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the
Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class
again.
2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested
for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a
disability.

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Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad
gives him a whipping with his belt.
1976 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to
college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to
foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's
sister that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to
prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.

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post #2 of 68
4/12/07 at 3:18pm
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Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1976 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations.
Car searched for drugs and weapons.

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Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1976 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2006 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear
nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for
graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state
school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core
curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for
a living because he cannot speak English.

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Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July,
puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1976 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with
domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from
home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list
and is never allowed to fly again.

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Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his
knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to
comfort him.
1976 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job.
She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of
therapy.
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post #3 of 68
4/12/07 at 4:06pm
Hah, I just posted this exact thing today, except mine said 1956 (I changed it to 1957 to compared then to 2007). I put it in Cattywampus which only paying members can view. It's too bad a mod won't be able to merge any responses here with those.
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post #4 of 68
4/12/07 at 7:01pm
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Ha ha, this email must have been making the rounds today.
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post #5 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:04pm
I find these sorts of things very annoying and I just want to roll my eyes.

Very exagerated and probably written by some bitter aged person with nothing better to do than critize everyone younger than them. I'm sorry, I have nothing against older people, but it's so sickening to hear the grandparents complaining about how horrible young people are and how everything they do is wrong.

I just have one question for those people...what are you doing to help?
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post #6 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by IloveSiamese View Post
I find these sorts of things very annoying and I just want to roll my eyes.

Very exagerated and probably written by some bitter aged person with nothing better to do than critize everyone younger than them. I'm sorry, I have nothing against older people, but it's so sickening to hear the grandparents complaining about how horrible young people are and how everything they do is wrong.

I just have one question for those people...what are you doing to help?
I don't know about everyone else, but I view it as a joke, not to be taken at all seriously. When I posted it here I found it on a joke site first.
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post #7 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:11pm
Is the point of the email that violence would solve all our problems???

I had a professor who graduated college in the 50s and he still seemed traumatized by someone who he called "Sister Mary of the Yardstick".

I, for one, only remember one physical fight in my entire 15 grades of school (including prek and k-12) and it involved the MOTHERS of children from a different school. There are still schools out in very rural areas where nobody would get in trouble for coming from hunting or even driving tractors to school.

The one about "Pedro" failing English is flat-out absurd. Nobody has ever argued against English, only that English can be supplemented for students for whom it is not a native language without our society falling to pieces.

Whoever wrote that originally probably, obviously, wrote it as a joke. Every generation in the history of mankind has lamented how awful the little brats younger than them are. Anybody who could take this seriously doesn't know any kids very well.
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post #8 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:22pm
sorry no jokes allowed lol.
violence does fix alot of problems by the way.
lol i grew up where fights, bullys and such where a common every day thing if you did not fight back then you got stream rolled along with having your lunch money taken. you can lnot be all lets make peace with someone that is trying to steal your money if you want to eat lunch, and trust me i like to eat. that is why i got shipped off to wva as a kid, and later we moved out to the middle of farm country.

relax people if you dont like the joke then dont read it,.
but maybe it upsets people cause its true?
hm lets see, yep i know stories where kids got in trouble for aspirin in school,
and we all know, heaven help you today if you still smoke. We also know that people refuse to take the time to learn english now.

and ask male teachers how willing many of them are now to touch or show any caring to students in there class rooms now?

hmm sounds like a little turth mixed in with a joke
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post #9 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
sorry no jokes allowed lol.
violence does fix alot of problems by the way.
lol i grew up where fights, bullys and such where a common every day thing if you did not fight back then you got stream rolled along with having your lunch money taken. you can lnot be all lets make peace with someone that is trying to steal your money if you want to eat lunch, and trust me i like to eat. that is why i got shipped off to wva as a kid, and later we moved out to the middle of farm country.

relax people if you dont like the joke then dont read it,.
The joke is far out there too. I mean in WHATEVER decade the first analogy is supposed to be, if you brought a gun to school for instance, the principal wouldn't say "Hey sweet! Let me show you my piece..." or "Hey, pass over that weed.."
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post #10 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:32pm
Lighten up!

Perhaps if you viewed it as it was meant to be viewed - about the absurdity of society and how things that used to be "normal" are handled as "disasters" or "serious threats" - you wouldn't be so offended. It isn't commentary about today's youth. Not everything lamenting the changes in society is about young people.

Frankly - the idea that the only fight Julie saw was between two mothers illustrates the absurdity of how situations are handled by adults (in relation to kids) better than just about any of the exaggerated examples in the email joke!
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post #11 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:33pm
lol err, i used to talk guns and hunting with a couple of teachers, and sold a rifle to one. soooo its not that far out.
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post #12 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
lol err, i used to talk guns and hunting with a couple of teachers, and sold a rifle to one. soooo its not that far out.
I stand corrected
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post #13 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Frankly - the idea that the only fight Julie saw was between two mothers illustrates the absurdity of how situations are handled by adults (in relation to kids) better than just about any of the exaggerated examples in the email joke!
well you know, what makes jokes funny is taking a little of the turth and then pushing over the absurdity line.
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post #14 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
well you know, what makes jokes funny is taking a little of the turth and then pushing over the absurdity line.
So if I ask why the chicken crossed the road, we can't get into a debate about why the chicken was out of its pen and endangering the lives of others by walking into oncoming traffic?
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post #15 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:43pm
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Originally Posted by ReesesPBC View Post
So if I ask why the chicken crossed the road, we can't get into a debate about why the chicken was out of its pen and endangering the lives of others by walking into oncoming traffic?
not the debate would be why you were being mean and had the chicken in a pen to start with , and better yet why you had the pen near to the evil chicken killing road to start with, which would lead to the evils of driving around in fossil fuel car, which is casuing the gobal warming .

sooo you see its all the chicken fault.
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post #16 of 68
4/12/07 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
not the debate would be why you were being mean and had the chicken in a pen to start with , and better yet why you had the pen near to the evil chicken killing road to start with, which would lead to the evils of driving around in fossil fuel car, which is casuing the gobal warming .

sooo you see its all the chicken fault.
Well then you'd have the other side of the argument for the people who are pro road crossing chicken. They'd argue that eggs have been argued to cause cholesterol. Also, improperly handled and cooked raw chicken makes people ill..and finally the fact that the chicken in question lives in a neighborhood that isn't properly zoned for barnyard animals all while breaking the city's noise ordinance, that the chicken deserves to be terminated as a matter of public health, safety, and standard of living.
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post #17 of 68
4/12/07 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by ReesesPBC View Post
I don't know about everyone else, but I view it as a joke, not to be taken at all seriously. When I posted it here I found it on a joke site first.


I'm sorry if I don't find anything about that amusing . Like I said before, I find it annoying and I didn't know what it would be when I opened the thread and even if I did, as this is IMO, not joke central, I have the right to take it whatever way I want to. Why post in IMO, if not for a debate?
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post #18 of 68
4/12/07 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by IloveSiamese View Post
I'm sorry if I don't find anything about that amusing . Like I said before, I find it annoying and I didn't know what it would be when I opened the thread and even if I did, as this is IMO, not joke central, I have the right to take it whatever way I want to. Why post in IMO, if not for a debate?
Well in my defense, I didn't start this thread I did post this exact thing earlier in the day but I posted my thread over in Cattywampus in the Premium Lounge section where that sort of thing is allowed.

I don't know if the original poster viewed it as a joke too, or as a "thinking" piece, but because I already viewed it as a joke, that's where my comments are coming from.
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post #19 of 68
4/12/07 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by IloveSiamese View Post
. Why post in IMO, if not for a debate?
yep,and for fun also
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post #20 of 68
4/12/07 at 10:26pm
Reeses, lol in your defense lol . I realize that it was posted in two different places, one for the private lounge, but as it was posted here, well I always take posts in IMO as fighting words lol.

But honestly, I don't understand the comedy aspect...it's more like a low blow or a funny home video where a dad gets a football in the groin...more painful than funny (atleast for the guy everyone's laughing at).
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post #21 of 68
4/12/07 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by ReesesPBC View Post
Well in my defense, I didn't start this thread I did post this exact thing earlier in the day but I posted my thread over in Cattywampus in the Premium Lounge section where that sort of thing is allowed.

I don't know if the original poster viewed it as a joke too, or as a "thinking" piece, but because I already viewed it as a joke, that's where my comments are coming from.
I've seen this piece, or a version of it, more times than I can count, and it's always come across as humour. So I was a little surprised to see it in IMO, but as it does point up how times have changed, even if with its tongue in its cheek, it also seems worthy of this venue -- but not if we're going to get bent out of shape about it, because it's first and foremost humour. As Heidi said, "Lighten up" -- it's about absurdity.
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post #22 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:27am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I got this as an email today and found it to be so true and so sad.
The OP's intent was outlined in the first line of this thread.

Therefore, not intended to be a joke.

I actually found it to be exaggerated but in many cases both true and sad. I don't feel that all of the changes made in society today are sad - I think that giving your son a good whipping, for example, should be viewed as wrong and I'm glad that it is nowadays.

However, the underlying theme of this email - that these days things are automatically PC'd and improved and legislated and analysed and most especially, that the onus seems always these days to be on everyone else but `you', rings very true to me.

It illustrates the complexity of the society that we live in now. People won't take responsibility, everyone else is to blame, children and teenagers have this sense of entitlement about what they perceive to be their `due' when sometimes simple discipline, good manners and respect for your elders wouldn't go astray. Everything is litigated, accused, analysed and politically corrected to within an inch of it's life.

Yes, I agree with you Cindy, simplicity, common sense, plain old responsibility for your actions has just disappeared from the world. And it is sad.
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post #23 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:37am
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
The OP's intent was outlined in the first line of this thread.

Therefore, not intended to be a joke.

I actually found it to be exaggerated but in many cases both true and sad. I don't feel that all of the changes made in society today are sad - I think that giving your son a good whipping, for example, should be viewed as wrong and I'm glad that it is nowadays.

is sad.
as much as i would like to agree with. and i would.
how come many of the kids i see today that had familys that did not spank(not beat) seem to, have issues? like my sisters kids,

nothing wrong with a little tap on the bum to set the right direction,

there is a hugh differeence between a spanking and abuse.
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post #24 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:43am
Oh look I agree. You know, I would never ever ever spank/hit my dogs or my cats, because animals are different it just doesn't get through to them.

But my Mum tells this story. When my eldest brother was four, he took all the books out of the bookcase. Mum scolded him and made him (with her help) put them all back. Half an hour later he did it again. Same deal. Half an hour later he did it again. This happened over and over with just a scolding until Mum finally gave him a smack on the hand. He bellowed, and didn't do it one more time.

That's not abuse, and I don't have a problem with it as a last resort, a smack on the bum or the hand doesn't hurt anyone.

But `a good whipping' is a bit more extreme, don't you think?
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post #25 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:47am
humm - I just thought it hightlighted differences in society from whatever date to whatever date

the more interesting debate for me is

what do those changes tell us about society then and now

and where does the chicken come into it
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post #26 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:50am
yep agree, it does not work on animals.
hmm a good whipping is just a expression( at least most of the time)
or at least in most cases it is.
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post #27 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
and where does the chicken come into it
Not sure, but seeing as we're talking chickens and humour, here's an old favourite of mine for ya.

- Why did the chicken cross the playground?
- To get to the other slide.

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post #28 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
humm - I just thought it hightlighted differences in society from whatever date to whatever date

the more interesting debate for me is

what do those changes tell us about society then and now

and where does the chicken come into it
lol that was more i think to show how something simple can hmm go over the top into being silly,

please note no chickens where harmed in the making of those jokes
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post #29 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:55am
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
yep agree, it does not work on animals.
hmm a good whipping is just a expression( at least most of the time)
or at least in most cases it is.
I was scared witless of my dad - loved & respected the man like crazy, we certainly knew what was wrong and what was right - he never hit us but boy you knew when you were in trouble

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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Not sure, but seeing as we're talking chickens and humour, here's an old favourite of mine for ya.

- Why did the chicken cross the playground?
- To get to the other slide.
aww the old 'why did the chicken joke - a classic
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post #30 of 68
4/13/07 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
I was scared witless of my dad - loved & respected the man like crazy, we certainly knew what was wrong and what was right - he never hit us but boy you knew when you were in trouble
same here, but then again, my father often crossed the line, into abuse until my mother found out about it, and told him he ever touched me or my sister again she would take the kids and leave. i dont think he cared about losing the kids, but he loved my mother more then anything.
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