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post #1 of 27
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life is just one big disaster right now. Well nuit so called bladder infection turns out she has a giant stone (looked like the size of a marble) in her bladder. I'm not sure what to do anymore. Her behavior (personality) is not related the vet said. I was hoping. Though she has been somewhat tolerant of the cats, she is still miserable and I really don't know if it's worth it, then there is the whole lack of job and most of my settlement money has all ready gone to moving expenses and I haven't even gotten myself fixed up. I'm so sad and don't know what to do.
post #2 of 27
Oh my, I am sorry to read this, can you pay by installments ? or are there vet places thats offers reduced costs for people unemployed / low income its worth asking about. I am sorry I dont know your situation and I am sure this is the last thing you needed

How did the vet know that this doesnt effect her personality, I'm not an expert but if she is in pain, which by the sounds of it she probably is, then she is gonna be a tad grumpy aww bless her, I'd sure be fed up too........

heres hoping you can sort something out to keep her
post #3 of 27
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they do offer payment plans, but i am that broke. Now when I took all my cats in I had a well paying job , it's not like i took in more cats knowing i couldn't care for them. She just hasn't been happy since before she was sick. (she moved with us in december), She's just gone down hill since she moved out of her original home. Is it possibly to stress yourself to death? I feel like that's what's happening with her. the Vet said she's not really in pain, it's in very early stages I just don't know. I feel like i went through so much to rescue her and try and give her a good home and she just doesn't want it to work, I really really (I'm gonna use the hate word) HATE her previous owner, as she was so happy but the lady rid of her cuz her boyfriend was allergic.....
post #4 of 27
I am so sorry to hear this. I went thru a period of going downhill money wise and my family was able to help me out. Now I am retired and living on a fixed income, it certainly does help since I am now retired. Do you have any family who may be able to help you out? I hope you will find a way out of this.
post #5 of 27
I'm sorry to hear that things are so difficult for you right now. There is such a thing as "Failure to Thrive." Nobody knows what causes it.

When I was a poor working student, my kitty Moon-Pie needed surgery. With the help of two friends, we organized a benefit for Moon-Pie.

We made invitations (using her cutest, most "please help me" picture on the front), and gave them to all my friends, fellow students that I knew, and co-workers. Since I had time and very little money, I cooked for two days, making things like banana bread, cookies, and lots of vegetarian appetizers.

When the time came, we had a good turnout; everyone contributed what they could, some people brought beer or wine, and we ended up having a nice little party! One of my friends was the designated money-collector, to keep things on the up-and-up. We raised the money needed for the surgery!

As a thank-you, I gave everyone a little booklet with the recipes from the party. My boyfriend (husband now) drew a picture of Moon-Pie with crutches and bandages (and a smile) for the front cover.

I don't know if you are up for something like that, but it's a good way to ask friends to help and give them something in return. Sending this with good wishes.
post #6 of 27

Awww. I`m sorry your feeling so bad. I don`t know what to suggest that hasn`t been said already.
I hope you find a way of getting her her operation.
post #7 of 27
SW, that was absolutely BRILLIANT! I just love that idea! By making a party of it, you avoided the uncomfortable feeling of "begging," and I'm sure all the people who contributed felt just great about helping the kitty, too. Well done!
post #8 of 27
There is program that gives credit strictly for vet issues. I'll check at work tomorrow and reply back at about 6:30/7 pacific time.
It might help you if you gaves us the amount that you need?

I do symphatize. The stray cat I adopted gimpoche wiped out my credit card for his healt problems.
Daniela
post #9 of 27
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actually I only know a handful of people in this area and they are almost just as broke. We are gonna talk to a few people tomorrow though. everyone is telling me once I get this surgery taken care of maybe i should rehome her as maybe some of this is stress with all the other cats. I do have some hope now that the day is coming along. I think i will manage. I need to find a job, i just want my little girl to be ok.
post #10 of 27
I am sending Nuit many feel better <<vibes>>. I hope all goes well..
post #11 of 27
This thread is a few days old now...but I just found it and wanted to add something.

I'm not familiar with the history of Nuit, but a couple things come to mind...

Bladder problems DO cause behavioral problems...anxiety, aggression, hiding, general grumpiness...etc. I speak from experience. When my vet and I figured out just the right thing to treat my bladder-problem boy, he turned back into his old self in a matter of weeks. Your mileage may vary, but my cat's transformation was truly amazing. I'm still in shock.

Whenever I hear of a cat being re-homed that soon after that was diagnosed with a bladder problem....red flags go up for me. It *may* be true that the BF turned out to be allergic, but personally I think a cat in that situation was peeing innappropriately, or had other health related behavior problems, and was re-homed because of that, in reality.

Sorry if I'm asking repeat questions, but how old is Nuit? Did the vet put her on a special diet?
post #12 of 27
Many vibes for you and for Nuit
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
Nuit is 7, She hadn't had the bladder thing when we got her and never lived with other cats before. My problem with her behavior is more to do with how she is with the cats and attacks my little cat, she growls if one sneezes from across the room, let alone gets close to her(I will admit she has gotten better from when we first took her in and she seems happy here & there but I feel she could & should be happier, ya know?). this has been going through my head since before the bladder thing, but once this is taken care of I feel she may turn into a whole other cat just being an only cat. I don't want to find her a home and I've been going back in fourth with this beating myself up over it.
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
Also when she went on meds & inflamation stuff, she did go back to her normal self, as she was doing the other things described for a couple days & that's how i knew she was feeling better. though I'm still looking into various payment options & help.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by ladycat View Post
Also when she went on meds & inflamation stuff, she did go back to her normal self, as she was doing the other things described for a couple days & that's how i knew she was feeling better. though I'm still looking into various payment options & help.
Just want to be sure I understand...when she went on meds (for her bladder?) her behavior was better, or still bad?

Did the vet put her on a special diet? ...if so, which food?
post #16 of 27
Thread Starter 
well she went back to her regular bitchy self (which is sadly how we new she was feeling better), she layed there when she was in pain and was actually probly nicer come to think of it right befoer the meds and the first couple days. yes the meds were for her bladder and they put her on the hills, she wouldn't touch the royal canin one.
post #17 of 27
Ok...Hills s/d ? c/d? or x/d?
post #18 of 27
I am so sorry for all of your frustration and heartache! This is a tough decision you have ahead of you and definitley one with a pricey cost! hang in there, I will stand by you no matter what you decide to do! Poor Nuit!
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
c/d, vet wanted to keep her on this till they know what type of stone she had
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
I'm sorry to hear that things are so difficult for you right now. There is such a thing as "Failure to Thrive." Nobody knows what causes it.

When I was a poor working student, my kitty Moon-Pie needed surgery. With the help of two friends, we organized a benefit for Moon-Pie.

We made invitations (using her cutest, most "please help me" picture on the front), and gave them to all my friends, fellow students that I knew, and co-workers. Since I had time and very little money, I cooked for two days, making things like banana bread, cookies, and lots of vegetarian appetizers.

When the time came, we had a good turnout; everyone contributed what they could, some people brought beer or wine, and we ended up having a nice little party! One of my friends was the designated money-collector, to keep things on the up-and-up. We raised the money needed for the surgery!

As a thank-you, I gave everyone a little booklet with the recipes from the party. My boyfriend (husband now) drew a picture of Moon-Pie with crutches and bandages (and a smile) for the front cover.

I don't know if you are up for something like that, but it's a good way to ask friends to help and give them something in return. Sending this with good wishes.
That is an excellent story and a great idea! I would definitley give it a shot in a time of need!
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by ladycat View Post
c/d, vet wanted to keep her on this till they know what type of stone she had
Sorry to focus on the health issue...but it bothers me that they don't know what type of stone, they just want to operate regardless? You may already know this, but a struvite 'stone' would be dissolvable with diet or medicine. Calcium oxalate WOULD require surgery.

Did they say what her urine pH is?
post #22 of 27
Thread Starter 
yeh I think i'm gonna talk to one of my friend's tonight about it as she knows many cat lovers and like I said I don't know to many people around here.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by beandip View Post
Sorry to focus on the health issue...but it bothers me that they don't know what type of stone, they just want to operate regardless? You may already know this, but a struvite 'stone' would be dissolvable with diet or medicine. Calcium oxalate WOULD require surgery.

Did they say what her urine pH is?
it was the size of the crystal that was y she needs the surgery, she said to do that it wouldn't disolve (I'm sure it's possible i missed something I was a bit upsette). I don't recall about the Ph but I know she had a very unusual amount of crystals.
post #24 of 27
I understand being very upset...I'm sorry that you and Nuit are going through this.

A stone that large would take quite some time to form. Has she been with you just since this past December? At some point, the pain, etc... got bad enough that she made it obvious...but those stones don't form so quickly.You know Nuit better than I ever can...and the behavior may not be because of the bladder problem...however I don't think the behavior can be solved w/o fixing her bladder, somehow, because it is making her miserable.

I do understand that she's never been with other cats, and that does have something to do with it too.

I'm sorry, when I mentioned her being re-homed I wasn't talking about you re-homing her...I was talking about her previous owner(s). The allergy excuse always sounds weak to me...but I suppose on some occasions it can be true. I am allergic, and I have 8 cats...the best cure is exposure. But I'm off topic, sorry.

Do you have confidence in the vet you are using?

I understand the stone is very big. I am not an expert but I have had a lot of personal experience with bladder stones. If it is struvite, that is very important info, IMO.

Females are especially good candidates for dissolving struvite stones with diet or acidifiers...as their urethra is much bigger so as the stone comes apart, the crystals can pass much more easily than in a male. A male going through the same process can get blocked over and over by the crystals...but not a female. That would be extremely rare.

It all hinges on whether it's struvite or oxalate. If it's oxalate, the c/d food will make it worse.
post #25 of 27
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I actually had to go reread the post about the rehoming. She didn't have any box issues up until a couple weeks ago (and only for 1-2 days), and went back to using it once she felt a little better. I also know the woman who took her from the original owner said she was picking up & kissing & cuddling Nuit to me that sounds crazy as it's rare when I can pet her for more then a minute, though I'm grateful when she lets me! (off subject also but wanted to share!)
I actually really love this vet only started seeing her recently though, she's very gentle and comforting.
if it weren't for the x-rays I would thing she was ok again. I wonder why she doesn't just have me feed her the food she was on at least if it's not making it better, it won't make it worse (?). the stone looked close to the size of a marble though, if that means anything. Maybe the vet was saying once it was out they would know more as to what food to put her on. but still. I looked on all the vet sheets they gave me and it didn't say what type of stone it was.
post #26 of 27
Yeah, sorry for the misunderstanding on the re-homing.

The c/d shoots for a pH of 6.2-6.4 ...it is the "maintenance" diet for struvite. It does very little as far as dissolving crystals, even the struvite it is designed for. It is made to *discourage* further struvite, after a previous problem has been stabilized with stronger food or medicine. To *discourage* new oxalate crystals and stones, there needs to be a higher pH. To eliminate an oxalate stone, surgery IS needed, regardless. That may be what you're dealing with.

The stone sounds big. Manipulating the urine pH works wonders on struvite, though. Doesn't do anything for oxalate, though, it just controls further production.

In theory, the c/d may not hurt...but I was cautioned about serving the c/d to cats that "may" not need it (otherwise healthy ones, or ones with oxalate crystals/stones) ...as it could promote oxalate stones in cats predisposed to that condition.

Did they tell you she was passing any crystals in her urine? That should provide a clue as to what type of stone she has.

I don't necessarily doubt your vet...but I have heard some "way out" stories on this forum (this is NOT one of them...), that my own vet would completely disagree with...there are just sometimes multiple ways to tackle a problem. When my cat struggled with these problems for more than a year, I read up on it till my eyes hurt, and I asked my vet if we could try something different. She was comfortable with it, and it made Beandip into a new cat, I swear. Therefore, I can get a little emotional about these issues.
post #27 of 27
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yes she many many crystals in her urine which I guess is why they gave that food then. I'm not planning on having the other cats eat that food so no worries there...however Bentley (cat with food rage), we have caught him opening the back and sticking his head in for a bite and running away oh you should see the guilty look on his face!!! it would be amazing if she did a complete turn around though I doubt with the other cats, though once she has recooped it may help with possibly finding her a better suited home (we'll see)
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