My permenant hair colour is still washing out!!

It's been 3.5 weeks now since i coloured it black. For those of you who asked for a picture (i haven't been having a good face day lol) here you go



and don't ask...i just thought i'd keep an EYE on you guys


ok and here i am just before i coloured it.

Even though the light is there, my brown hair has gone lighter. It was really light when i was little, then got darker as i was in later primary school, then lighter again. Sometimes i even had golden threads (and i found white eyebrow hairs a few weeks ago, but im not getting into that)

Anyhoo. Im using a ginger body shop shampoo, and a schwarzkopf conditioner, and i wont change. Ive got a dry scalp and ive been through dozens of shampoos till i found this one. And now im actually wanting to colour my hair red. But i really wish the black would stay in. Every time i shampoo and condition it comes out, and it shouldn't, ive had lots of showers since i dyed it. It happens with any permenant colour i use (always a black shade) *pouts* and i can't bleach the black out. I have years and years of black layer upon layer, and to bleach it would be costly and would go green or orange and take forever. Hairdressers say the only way to get rid of black is to cut it out, but it's taken me years to finally get my hair this long!

I just want a colour that won't wash out!!!! Permenant should mean it grows out

My color always fades out too, and turns orangey I usually let it fade quite a bit until I color it again though, or until my grey gets too much!

Good luck it won't happen....I worked in a hair salon for 6 years....permanent doesn't mean it'll stay .... frustrating for sure. Red is one of the hardest to get out....but the first to fade....Even though it looks like its mostly gone the red pigments are still in the hair shaft and when I had foils put in I was surprised at how long the bleach had to be on to remove the remaining red.
Good luck in your search.

Try washing your hair in cold water, or every other day. It should keep the color in longer.

Originally Posted by Dragoriana

...And now im actually wanting to colour my hair red. But i really wish the black would stay in....

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For four years, I was the color specialist on a hair team (we traveled the U.S. teaching stylists at hair shows). If you could clarifly what you wrote above, I might be able to advise you.

What color line are you using? I don't recommend any over the counter haircolor formulations... Mainly because some contain a metallic compound which is very damaging and inconsistent to the hair... Not to mention if you futz up with a metallic permanent color and need a professional stylist to fix it or lighten the result, we will turn you away. All permanent haircolor is an alkaline compound (higher on the pH scale) when mixed with Metallic dyes (henna, herbal essence, sun-in etc) a chemical reaction will occur! Im not saying that you are using a metallic dye but it is a thought! Your shampoo may be stripping your color as well as your water (ex: hard water)! Whenever I dye my hair black it takes about 1 week or more to get the color rinsed completely (I have fine hair)! I would recommend seeing a stylist and asking them about ARTEC Shampoo... ARTEC is a shampoo deposit line (deposits color-way more effective than store bought brand) add the black shampoo into your routine (you can still use your shampoo) this will keep your color depth and tonality! Another thing to consider is hair porosity... If you color your hair alot the porosity will be high, meaning hair grabs color quick and dark yet the color fades faster! I suggest staying away from red (just stopped doing red myself). Red is the hardest color to maintain yet the hardest to remove (due to it's molecule size)! I don't want to bore you so any other questions ask.........................BTW Im a licensed hairstylist! Color is my thing!

Originally Posted by SwampWitch

If you could clarifly what you wrote above, I might be able to advise you.

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What i meant was, i would love it if my black would stay in. But if it is going to keep washing out, i would rather get it all out of my hair at once rather than be two toned, then make my natural hair a red colour. Make sense? Lol

Originally Posted by trixie23

What color line are you using? BTW Im a licensed hairstylist! Color is my thing!

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It depends what is on special or what shade i want, i don't usually use the same brand because one time i will want plain black, or violet black or blue black etc *searches for card* i just used Shcwarzkopf N2 rich blue black, i just can't remember which one if it was Live or something else. As i said with my dry scalp (dare i say the word dandruff) if i keep changing shampoos and things my scalp goes crazy, and now that ive found this ginger shampoo, it meeps my hair and scalp nice and clean. That and it isn't tested on animals
Yay! Not only do you guys love cats, but you know about hair!!

I don't know what to tell you hon I have never dyed/treated my hair. I donate to Locks of Love so i try to avoid things like that. I did want to add though- awesome red lipstick in that first picture! It's really pretty!

Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR

I don't know what to tell you hon

I have never dyed/treated my hair. I donate to Locks of Love so i try to avoid things like that. I did want to add though- awesome red lipstick in that first picture! It's really pretty!

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Aww what a nice thing to do. Unfortunately its taken me about 10 years to get my hair this long theyd be waiting a long time for me

I bought the lipstick only last week, it is a very bold colour for me. Usually because i spend alot of time kissing Tristan, and he says i look pretty without makeup (i think he needs new glasses) so it would just rub off on his face lol! but i thought pale skin, blue eyes, black hair and red lipstick would be a shocker when i go out like snow white (but a slightly cuddlier version)

Originally Posted by Dragoriana

Aww what a nice thing to do. Unfortunately its taken me about 10 years to get my hair this long

theyd be waiting a long time for me

I bought the lipstick only last week, it is a very bold colour for me. Usually because i spend alot of time kissing Tristan, and he says i look pretty without makeup (i think he needs new glasses) so it would just rub off on his face lol! but i thought pale skin, blue eyes, black hair and red lipstick would be a shocker when i go out

like snow white (but a slightly cuddlier version)

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I wish i had your problem! My hair grows SOOOOOOOO fast! I'm always having to get it cut and trimmed- so it's no problem for me to let it grow out and donate it./ What brand of lipstick is that red? I love it!

Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR

IWhat brand of lipstick is that red? I love it!

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it's actually just a cheapy $5.95 lipstick from Kmart, the brandname is Girl Express (one of kmarts own brands) the colour is called Venom. It's pretty much a lighter blood red which i think every make up company has

hmm..ive had balck hair and its never done that but then again i dyed it everytime the roots got to long and i did have short short hair then but also if u want red u are more or less gonna have to bleach ur hair unless u want blackc with a red tip and red streaks, now warning black and reds are the hardest hardest to get out! It took me years to get my red out and i did then 4 months later i dyed it back to red but I i always did dye it red on the black and well i had multie colored hair so to speak...but if u do go with red beware that fades the quickest from any other hair colors, i actually have stuff for red hair (shampoo and conditionar) I just havent dyed my hair recently

Also so far everyone has given some great advice..me i do wash my hair every other day to make it last longer and when ever i do dye it i wait a day or two so my hair has all the natural oils and stuff and supposably its suppose to make the hair color last longer, and also dont use really hot water, go warm when u wash colored hair! That helps keep the color in

Also I love that color lipstick too

Originally Posted by Dragoriana

it's actually just a cheapy $5.95 lipstick from Kmart, the brandname is Girl Express (one of kmarts own brands) the colour is called Venom. It's pretty much a lighter blood red which i think every make up company has

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I'll have to try and find a similar one in another brand! It's really cute! But all of our KMarts near us closed down The ones that are left are in REALLY bad areas so no KMart for me

I love your lipstick by the way
and it is very annoying when permenant hair dye carries on washing out! i suggest you try dying it again

Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR

I'll have to try and find a similar one in another brand! It's really cute! But all of our KMarts near us closed down

The ones that are left are in REALLY bad areas so no KMart for me

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One of ours got shut down but it's not the local one so thats ok. They're replacing it with a Target, apparently this area is full of marts already so they wanted to change. Why have they closed down near you?

I have 3 targets, 2 big ws and 3 kmarts near me! lol

Why have i chosen the hardest colours? Lol. brown is boring on me and blonde is SO out of the question!!

To keep the BLACK, always put the black color on the roots (only) when you color your hair. Pull through the color that is left (from the bowl/bottle) through the rest of your hair only for the last half of the processing time.

Permanent color works like this:
first half of processing time: the dye lifts or lightens the hair
second half of processing time: the dye deposits color

You want the roots to have the full processing time, because the lifting does some damage by opening up the hair's cuticle, so the color can go in. (Otherwise, the color would just slide off the hair.)

You want the rest of your hair to have the color deposited only (second half of processing time) because it has already been lightened, or damaged. If it is lightened over and over, you end up with TOO much damage and the color won't stay, either.

To keep a rich, black color, you can put temporary color (not semi-permanent) on your hair whenever you want. This will deposit color in the already opened cuticle.

If you do it properly (lighten roots only) all of your hair will have been lightened only once, when it was at the roots.

To go RED, you can use a soap cap, which is shampoo and hair bleach mixed. Shampoo your hair with it, and it will take much of the black out. You can leave the soap cap on for a few minutes, but you have to be very careful. Bleach causes much damage any way you use it, and you don't want your long hair breaking off to a short haircut.

The reddish that remains will be brassy, so you will want to add a blue-based red (not an orangey red). This can get pretty tricky, with some "stripes" of hair having had more black deposited, and other areas (like near the part) will be very light colored. I would suggest going to a professional colorist (ask around; you don't want just any stylist) for that.

BTW, why not go Glorious Remnant Silver?

Silver???

That is sort of like going blonde. I don't think very light hair would suit me, and the roots would be so noticable. At least when my roots grown out i dont have to touch them up as often with a dark colour

Originally Posted by Dragoriana

Silver???

That is sort of like going blonde. I don't think very light hair would suit me, and the roots would be so noticable. At least when my roots grown out i dont have to touch them up as often with a dark colour

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Just a little Final Fantasy VII Advent Children joke.

Originally Posted by SwampWitch

Just a little Final Fantasy VII Advent Children joke.

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Ahh sorry i'm not a FF fan *hides* my hair is Severus Snape black