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post #1 of 23
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,263380,00.html

So they have locked the guy up , for having drug-resistant strain of tuberculosis.
for the public health. how i agree with that. they have taken away his TV, radio, computer. there is no reason to treat him like a criminal.
post #2 of 23
Wow, thats rather strange, to lock him up indefinitely. But it is also scary that this particular strain of TB is resistant. THanks for the article, I will be printing it off and bringing it to class to discuss with my microbiology teacher.

If they are going to lock him up, they could at least give him some of his creature comforts.
post #3 of 23
the whole public health vs human rights debate again.

I understand the need for protecting the former issue, but the guy is human and entitled to a quality of life. They need to work on a balance between these 2 issues.
post #4 of 23
Gosh, I really don't know what to think about this one...the article said he was locked up after failing to take precautions against infecting others ---what a jerk! The impression I got from the article is that he would be free if he wore a mask to guard against infecting others and he wouldn't...he would be free if he would only have done the right thing. He should at least have things that would make him more comfortable and keep him occupied.
post #5 of 23
I am on the fence with this one. I can understand the need to lock him up because he will not wear a mask in public to protect others. But do they do the same thing to people infect with HIV/AIDS that do not wear condoms and refuse to tell their sexually partners they have the illness.

Also why will they not allow the guy to show or watch tv or listen to a radio or have a computer. I mean come on thats taking it a little to far.
post #6 of 23
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I am on the fence with this one. I can understand the need to lock him up because he will not wear a mask in public to protect others. But do they do the same thing to people infect with HIV/AIDS that do not wear condoms and refuse to tell their sexually partners they have the illness.

Also why will they not allow the guy to show or watch tv or listen to a radio or have a computer. I mean come on thats taking it a little to far.
some places do place hiv people in public housing away from the non infected people.
i think cuba was one. but you can get conviced if you transfer hiv to another person here.

I just cant see this guy not having the the basic stuff , i mean fine lock me up, but at leats give me a TV , and a computer(that part would kill me, since that is how i talk to most of my friends and family)
post #7 of 23
While the guy did wrong by not wearing a mask in public, this is just wrong in the fact that he is being treated like a prisoner.

Do I want someone who is very contageous with something that there is no cure for contained if it's something that can be gotten through the air? Definately. This isn't aids or some other blood disease we're talking about. But does he need to be locked up and given perhaps less comfort than a person who killed someone? No way.

The way I see it, his constitutional rights are being violated.
post #8 of 23
It seems more like he should be made to stay in a hospital where they are better equipped to treat him as well as handle that sort of biohazard.

He committed a crime, but its one of extreme rudeness and lack of concern for others--- and people for the most part have all done something similar and aren't put in jail for the length of time of a serial killer. I can see charging him with reckless endangerment or something, not violating the constitution and throwing him in jail without being charged, without a trial, without due process... he's being treated worse than a prisoner of Guantanamo and he hasn't even committed a felony.
post #9 of 23
Quarrantine is not fun for the truly innocent, either, in other circumstances reguarding public health, and should really not be fun if the reason you are there is because you are noncomplient about a dangerous, contagious disease! Going out and coughing on people who have no idea that your coughing on them could kill them is criminal in my book! At least if he stabbed you with a dirty needle you'd know to get checked, and I don't think that what he was doing was any different. Do I feel a little sorry for him? Sure. I'm not made of stone. It sucks to be sick, bored and lonely. However, I feel more sorry for the folks he's been coughing and breathing on, though, and when you're dealing with a contagious disease like that, there isn't time to have a trial first. It's kind of the "Your rights end at the end of my nose" thing...

A prison hospital (which it sounds like he is in, be it one room or 100) is just the right place for him. I don't want him in the same hospital as my sick child or parent, or in my case too, myself. Suppose he gets it in his head to take a walk? Exposing the most suseptable people in the population to something like that with someone who is already noncompliant is not a good idea. A guard at the door is not going to do it. Things go around hospitals like crazy (don't go to the hospital in flu and cold season ), and that would be a very bad one to pass around.
post #10 of 23
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i agree that he should be away from other people, but i dont agree that he slhould be be tossed in, with 4 walls. and nothing else. how hard it is to bring someone a TV or radio ?
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by catsallover View Post
Quarrantine is not fun for the truly innocent, either, in other circumstances reguarding public health, and should really not be fun if the reason you are there is because you are noncomplient about a dangerous, contagious disease! Going out and coughing on people who have no idea that your coughing on them could kill them is criminal in my book! At least if he stabbed you with a dirty needle you'd know to get checked, and I don't think that what he was doing was any different. Do I feel a little sorry for him? Sure. I'm not made of stone. It sucks to be sick, bored and lonely. However, I feel more sorry for the folks he's been coughing and breathing on, though, and when you're dealing with a contagious disease like that, there isn't time to have a trial first. It's kind of the "Your rights end at the end of my nose" thing...

A prison hospital (which it sounds like he is in, be it one room or 100) is just the right place for him. I don't want him in the same hospital as my sick child or parent, or in my case too, myself. Suppose he gets it in his head to take a walk? Exposing the most suseptable people in the population to something like that with someone who is already noncompliant is not a good idea. A guard at the door is not going to do it. Things go around hospitals like crazy (don't go to the hospital in flu and cold season ), and that would be a very bad one to pass around.
I agree the guy should be locked up till he is compliant but they should not be taking away basic human rights. Such as the ability to take a shower. Right now the guy is washing himself with wet wipes. Are they never gonna allow the man to shower? Why did they take about tv, radio, and computer. Even the hardest coldest criminal just to watch some tv and shower.
post #12 of 23
I think its wrong to take this mans TV and computer away- I think he should be given alternatives that can be destroyed if he is found to have overcome the virus.
Personally I think he should have been prosecuted for walking into the conveniance store and deserves locking up for this.
If you were to have sex with someone and did not inform them that you were hiv positive then you can be prosecuted in the UK.
post #13 of 23
There's a few condradictions in the story, the Dr's seem to say he didn't want treatment yet he says:

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"Where I come from, the doctors don't wear masks," he said. "Plus, I was 26 years old, you know. Nobody told me how TB works and stuff."

Daniels said he realizes now that he endangered the public.
If he does need to be locked up he should at least have his computer, showers etc.
post #14 of 23
There really is no excuse for removing the tv, computer, etc. And he can't be in a room with a private shower??? I don't watch 24, but this reminds me of part of an episode I saw once.

This is not much of a solution either. Once people hear about this, they won't go to the doctor's when they have a cough, since they will be afraid of being put in jail.

They used to have TB sanitariums in the country where people could go to try to recover from the disease (before there were drugs). And some people did recover. THey will probably need this again, because I don't care how many people they lock up, this will spread. When I worked in a hospital, and there was someone contagious like this, we were the ones who had to gown and mask up.


I saw someone with a mask leaving the grocery store the other day. Wonder if it was someone with a contagious disease or someone protecting themselves from catching one.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Kiwideus View Post
If they are going to lock him up, they could at least give him some of his creature comforts.


I actually support their locking this guy up and away. This version is contagious (highly) and NOT treatable. He refused to protect the public from himself after being warned, he is paying the consequence for that.

If I were in a similar position, I could understand the need for quarantine. Even the fact that he is not allowed to shower: we can't risk the virus spreading!

However, the fact that he is not allowed to watch TV is simply ludicrous to me!
post #16 of 23
I understand to some point locking him up...but taking away his TV, etc? That's a load of POOPEY!!!!
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Snuzy View Post


I saw someone with a mask leaving the grocery store the other day. Wonder if it was someone with a contagious disease or someone protecting themselves from catching one.
This time of year, it could also be severe allergies .
post #18 of 23
If the man is non-compliant, and puts the public at risk, then yes, of course, he should be quarantined. That doesn't mean that he should be treated like a criminal (without due process), or deprived of simple things that would make his isolation more bearable. What harm can a TV or a computer do, for crying out loud? The only purpose their removal could serve is to punish him, and his loss of freedom should be quite sufficient to accomplish that.
post #19 of 23
No one has said why they took all that away from him, we only have his comments on this. Maybe he threatened to hurt himself or someone else. Who knows? He can read books and the newspaper, write and read letters and play cards, etc. just like they used to do before tv and computers. And the wipes may have something to do with not letting him out of his room to shower. I'm guessing that he probably has a sink to brush his teeth in, just like everyone else seems to in the jail pics I've seen. Even without a sink, that would equal a sponge bath, just like any other patient who can't shower.

I think the only thing that convicted felons ought to get to watch on tv is shows like Sesame Street and Mr.Rogers, anyways, as they seem to have missed that basic stuff on how to behave and treat others.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by catsallover View Post
I think the only thing that convicted felons ought to get to watch on tv is shows like Sesame Street and Mr.Rogers, anyways, as they seem to have missed that basic stuff on how to behave and treat others.
he is not convicted or gulity of anything other then having TB, and not keeping his mouth covered. are we going to go back to the old days and just lock up, sick people and wait for them to die? There is still no reason for him not to have basic stuf.

http://cbs5.com/health/health_story_095024226.html and if this story is true, then thre may be more like him.
post #21 of 23
That was a seperate statement on convicted felons and tv, hence the italics .

And no, we are not going back to the days of locking people up and waiting for them to die- he's said he is being treated, and it's his fault he's in there- not because he has a deadly, contaigous, almost untreatable disease, but because he refused to wear his mask. I've had to wear one before for my own protection- they suck. Is it awful enough that I would not wear it in public, and risk infecting someone else if I was the one with that awful disease? Heck no.
post #22 of 23
What makes me wonder is this: The guy took a plane to the US from Russia. We have NO idea how many people he may have exposed to this strain in Russia, or on the airplane, or while he was walking the streets in the US.

Transmission of this is by airborne droplets, and the contagion factor is HUGE.

Does he not grasp how serious a threat this is to the population at large? Obviously not, if his attitude was that cavalier that he refused to take the proper precautions.
post #23 of 23
I have no problem with this guy being locked up. Cruel to him but even crueller to start an epidemic.

Taking his TV is just MEAN! Why would they do that? He didn't do anything to deserve that! I mean felons are allowed TVs and they have done far worse.
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