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post #1 of 15
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I got this email and it really made me THINK which is NOT a good thing!!

Just wanted to share with u guys.

Interesting.. Never thought about it this way..



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> Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me.
> I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit. In
> order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test,
>>which I have no problem with.
> What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people
> who
> don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test
> to
> get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?
>>Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their
> feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on
> their butt. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if
> people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.
post #2 of 15
lol, but dont you see the goverment knows how to spend your money much better then you do .

this being said, i still need to mail them there money, grrrr
post #3 of 15
There seem to be lots of misconception about who gets welfare evidenced in that... welfare is pretty much for CHILDREN. The application for public housing here in Columbus states point-blank that if you aren't a single woman with children, don't bother applying. Drug addicts with no dependents aren't getting your money, for the most part. And if some of the mothers on welfare do do drugs, well, I'm sorry, but their kids' lives are tragic enough already without having to be totally homeless and taken away by foster care.

I'm sorry, but I find the thing you quoted blatantly offensive, misguided, and ignorant.

And, keep in mind that TONS of people on welfare have jobs that pay crap and need welfare to eat because our wages are disgustingly low in unskilled labor positions.
post #4 of 15
lol i find losing half my paycheck each week very offensive also.
along with having to send another 2000 to federal and another 800 to the state, makes me sick.

Sorry, i but i dont go for supporting mother on welfare doing durgs. testing them for there share of my money sounds like a good idea.

I spent alot of time and money to learn what i do, along with alot of hours in the office doing it. If you cant suport the kids, stop making them. I worked with guy in college who was like what you said, He had a job, worked 50 housr a week married and last i talked to him was working baby 5. He need welfare to make it. that just makes me mad.
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
There seem to be lots of misconception about who gets welfare evidenced in that... welfare is pretty much for CHILDREN. The application for public housing here in Columbus states point-blank that if you aren't a single woman with children, don't bother applying. Drug addicts with no dependents aren't getting your money, for the most part. And if some of the mothers on welfare do do drugs, well, I'm sorry, but their kids' lives are tragic enough already without having to be totally homeless and taken away by foster care.

I'm sorry, but I find the thing you quoted blatantly offensive, misguided, and ignorant.

And, keep in mind that TONS of people on welfare have jobs that pay crap and need welfare to eat because our wages are disgustingly low in unskilled labor positions.
Zissou's mom- I am VERY sorry that this post has offended you. I am personally a bit offended by your statement of me being blatantly offensive, misguided and ignorant.

I DO appreciate it when people clarifies something for me in a POSITIVE way. Not everyone can be expected to know all the details and that's one reason why I posted this because it made me think (I never thought about what getting welfare would require) and was curious to see what others would say. You have made some good points that I have not thought about so thank you.

Again, I APOLOGIZE for offending you. It was NOT my intention!!!!
post #6 of 15
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not attacking Pamela for posting this -- I just have to state my case, too:

Like most of the knee-jerk reactionary tripe that goes around the internet, that email uses hot-buttons and half-truths to get people riled up.

Yes, it's true that we pay a lot of taxes, and we get precious little opportunity to have a say in how that money is spent.

But no, it's not true that all, most, or even a significant portion of welfare money is going to "mothers doing drugs." This stereotype was never accurate, and since the welfare reforms that took place under Bill Clinton, it's even more absurd.

And the real point: if you object to the way your tax money is spent (and I think we all do), don't focus on the tiny fraction of a cent that goes to welfare -- take a look at the vast fortune that's going into this endless, hopeless, pointless, and utterly botched war against the wrong enemy.

No doubt there are some people out there doing drugs and scamming the welfare system -- but in terms of the actual damage being done to us as taxpaying Americans, the far more dangerous scammers are the ones in the White House right now.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by CarolPetunia View Post
Let me preface this by saying that I don't blame Pamela for posting this -- I just have to state my case, too:

Like most of the knee-jerk reactionary tripe that goes around the internet, that email uses hot-buttons and half-truths to get people riled up.

And the real point: if you object to the way your tax money is spent (and I think we all do), don't focus on the tiny fraction of a cent that goes to welfare -- take a look at the vast fortune that's going into this endless, hopeless, pointless, and utterly botched war against the wrong enemy.

No doubt there are some people out there doing drugs and scamming the welfare system -- but in terms of the actual damage being done to us as taxpaying Americans, the far more dangerous scammers are the ones in the White House right now.
You've made some good points... Thanks!
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post #9 of 15
Exercising your right to vote helps influence how our money is spent too.
Write you your state and federal office holders to express your opinions-they can't get things changed if th don't know about them.
post #10 of 15
First, I don't think Pamela voiced her opinion about the email. She said it made her think and wanted to share it.

Th email made me think too, not specifically about Welfare, though: I know a woman who lives at home with her mother. She was a bartender (and very good at it, BTW) She quit her job because it was "stressing her out." After awhile she got a new bartending job. I don't know what happened at that job, but she doesn't have it anymore. My DH ran into her and she commented that she had job working for the government now - collecting unemployment and foodstamps!!! I wonder if she's drug tested! Honestly, I don't know. do you have to be drug tested to be on unemployment and to get food stamps?
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
First, I don't think Pamela voiced her opinion about the email. She said it made her think and wanted to share it.
I wonder if she's drug tested! Honestly, I don't know. do you have to be drug tested to be on unemployment and to get food stamps?
You're right- I have not voiced my opinion about the email. I just wanted to share it and see what others thought cuz it made me think twice (which is not good cuz I don't like to think too hard! LOL) .

One good thing about this thread- many people have brought up some good points and questions to think about..

I think that's a very good question about being on unemployment/collecting food stamps and not needing to be drug tested.. Anyone know the answer to this?

I just hope that no one was offended by this thread I started because that was not my intention- I just wanted to share it because it made me think even though some of the information may be slanted and in error....
post #12 of 15
No, Pamela, I don't think you offended anyone... if you'll reread what Zissou's Mom wrote, she said the email you had quoted was "offensive, misguided, and ignorant" (which it is!) -- but she did not apply those terms to you, and I doubt she would have wanted you to take it that way. Please don't be hurt...
post #13 of 15
I certainly didn't mean to say anything about you, of course! I'm glad someone clarified for me. My response was entirely about the email and entirely not about you.

IMO, being on welfare is pragmatically a little bit like being employed by the government-- to raise your own children, so that they don't have to be raised by the state. As a cold economic view, that actually works pretty well. If someone is capable of raising their children, they should be.

Also, someone else said and I agree: why is it that people have such a problem with the very poorest of us getting some of our taxes, but aren't complaining about corporate welfare or billion dollar bridges for a couple hundred people? We flat-out WASTE more money every year than goes to welfare.

It's sad when the richest country in the world begrudges the poorest people in its own land a tuppence to get by on. I live in the same neighborhood as these people, shop at the same grocery store, and believe me, they are not living in the lap of luxury. They're still poor, all we do is keep them barely floating.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
I wonder if she's drug tested! Honestly, I don't know. do you have to be drug tested to be on unemployment and to get food stamps?
As for unemployment I don't believe you have to be drug tested. And I believe you can only get unemployment if you were fired not if you quit.

As for public assistance here they only drug test you if you get TANF. Which is temporary assistance for needy families and they give you a cash check. Medicaid and food stamps no they do not test you for that.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Ping View Post
As for unemployment I don't believe you have to be drug tested. And I believe you can only get unemployment if you were fired not if you quit.

As for public assistance here they only drug test you if you get TANF. Which is temporary assistance for needy families and they give you a cash check. Medicaid and food stamps no they do not test you for that.
Thanks, I was curious.
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