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I have to agree.. as most Against breeders people also are firm spay neauter and many are pediatric spay neuter
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So breeders shouldn't rehome retired breeding cats and we shouldn't keep them because then our homes get filthy and the cats get sick... what are we supposed to do? Sure, we could stop completely when the house is full but then we'll se years of hard work just disappear. Breeding healthy cats is a continous work and you can't take a break until your old breeding cats start to die because then you have to start all over again, you can't "advance" if you work this way.
Retired breeding cats are usually better off as pets in a smaller cat family. I only have small cattery but have had problems between neuters and fertile cats already. A group of fertile cats is not a stable and constant group. It's very dynamic and the the smallest thing can tick a cat off and you have a serious fight in your home. A dominant female that's spayed will fall in rang and she might not like that a lot. To go from no. 1 to bottom in the cat group is usually not a fun situation.
Yeah, that's exactly why we don't want moggies to breed. It has nothing to do with the 60-70 million of homeless cats in North America or the 100 000 homeless cats in my country, Sweden.
We make so much money on our breeding and we only wanna make more money.
And what should you look after in a blood sample? Infectious diseases? How about blood typing, DNA test for PKD (yes, it's well spread among moggies). Testing for HCM might be a good idea (done by ultra sound) since it's the most common heart disease in cats, moggies are not an exception. And not only should the male be tested, the female should be tested to. At the very least blood typed so kittens won't have to die because of lack of knowledge and ignorance.
I am of course not a breeder, and all my cats are rescues. But this thread has got a little off topic as far as the original poster is concerned. If you are still reading, I would just like to ask you why you want your cat to have a litter? Is it because you were brought up to believe it is better for her? Or do you want to try and reproduce some of her personality/appearance?Or your friends/family think it a good idea? If we knew the answers to these questions we could better advise you.
Don't know WHAT breeders you are dealing with but the majority I know do not have an overwhelming number of breeding cats. And who is to say what number breeders should have. I know there are good and bad breeders. I've been in the cat fancy long enough to know both.
For me, I had a few females and one male. When I started breeding I made up my mind I would only have a maximum of 6 adult cats. So if I wanted to keep a promising show kitten, I would have to find someone that wanted a nice older cat to adopt. I didn't have any problems finding them homes. And BTW not all purebred cats live short lives. My cornish rex that recently died was 15 1/2 yrs old - his parents/grandparents were 16-18 yrs old when they died. If you know the lines, you know what cats are healthy and long-lived.
My other rex who is living with a good friend will be 18 yrs old in July.
You cannot predict how long ANY cat will live - purebred or mixed.
For me, I had a few females and one male. When I started breeding I made up my mind I would only have a maximum of 6 adult cats. So if I wanted to keep a promising show kitten, I would have to find someone that wanted a nice older cat to adopt. I didn't have any problems finding them homes. And BTW not all purebred cats live short lives. My cornish rex that recently died was 15 1/2 yrs old - his parents/grandparents were 16-18 yrs old when they died. If you know the lines, you know what cats are healthy and long-lived.
My other rex who is living with a good friend will be 18 yrs old in July.
You cannot predict how long ANY cat will live - purebred or mixed.
I don't think I could have said it better, and I know I couldn't have said it as nice. I just hope those that have posted to the topic have got through to any person who feels it is okay to have "just one litter", whether purebred or moggie.Originally Posted by Sol
So breeders shouldn't rehome retired breeding cats and we shouldn't keep them because then our homes get filthy and the cats get sick... what are we supposed to do? Sure, we could stop completely when the house is full but then we'll se years of hard work just disappear. Breeding healthy cats is a continous work and you can't take a break until your old breeding cats start to die because then you have to start all over again, you can't "advance" if you work this way.
Retired breeding cats are usually better off as pets in a smaller cat family. I only have small cattery but have had problems between neuters and fertile cats already. A group of fertile cats is not a stable and constant group. It's very dynamic and the the smallest thing can tick a cat off and you have a serious fight in your home. A dominant female that's spayed will fall in rang and she might not like that a lot. To go from no. 1 to bottom in the cat group is usually not a fun situation.
Yeah, that's exactly why we don't want moggies to breed. It has nothing to do with the 60-70 million of homeless cats in North America or the 100 000 homeless cats in my country, Sweden.
We make so much money on our breeding and we only wanna make more money.Only someone who doesn't know anything about serious breeding would say such a thing.
And what should you look after in a blood sample? Infectious diseases? How about blood typing, DNA test for PKD (yes, it's well spread among moggies). Testing for HCM might be a good idea (done by ultra sound) since it's the most common heart disease in cats, moggies are not an exception. And not only should the male be tested, the female should be tested to. At the very least blood typed so kittens won't have to die because of lack of knowledge and ignorance.
I have said it many times and will say it again, "if a person is making any profit in breeding, they are doing something wrong."
To the OP: I hope you reconsider. Even pedigree breeders with years and years of experience and cats that have been tested every which way and that are known to be in the best of health can experience tragedies. Such as having to rush a cat to surgery at night to have an emergency c-section and still losing most of the litter. This doesn't happen through negligence, just with any human pregnancy, however well planned and however healthy the mother, complications can and do occur, sometimes with devastating results. Even with healthy cats who have safe deliveries, raising kittens takes a lot out of them and takes its toll on their bodies.
Why risk losing your beloved pet cat in this way? The best way to ensure she has a long and healthy life is to have her spayed while she is very young and so that she never has to go through what would be quite a trauma on her body.
Why risk losing your beloved pet cat in this way? The best way to ensure she has a long and healthy life is to have her spayed while she is very young and so that she never has to go through what would be quite a trauma on her body.
Where do you get your info ? Because it is not right.
Here in the Netherlands we have the "platform for responsible pet ownership" that advises the government, they compiled a fact sheet with all the numbers pertaining to pet ownership and amongst the statistics I found purebred and mixed breed cats have the same lifespan.
There are mandatory blood test here for FeLV and FIV, and these diseases are pretty much eliminated from the purebred population (never heard of a positive purebred). Can't say the same thing about mixed breeds. Responsible breeders also test for other diseases that are pertinent to their breed. (my Birmans'parents were tested for HCM/PKD and the Somali's parents for HCM/PKD/PKDef/PRA and PL). This is done as a precaution, to eliminate certain diseases from the genepool. That you test for something doesn't mean the cats are unhealthy !
OP:
If you want to breed "just one litter" of kittens, you should also be willing to give them the same care as purebreds, because they are worth just as much. Test (FIV/FeLV, HCM/PKD), worm & vax mom. Find an indoor tom who also tests free for FIV/FeLV and HCM/PKD, test both cats' bloodgroups. Keep the kittens for three months, worm & vaccinate them.
I'd like to know the source of that information. Here in Scandinavia FIV is more or less exclusive to moggies (mostly ferals). What else tests are done yearly to compare moggies with purebreds? Nutritional state (I find it hard to believe that moggies would be better off on that area than purebreds)? Distemper (I'm pretty sure it's more spread among moggies than among purebreds in general)?
There are healthy bred purebreds and there are unhealthy bred purebreds but it's the same among moggies. Tha biggest difference is that in most cases people don't know anything about their moggie kittens heritage. People don't know which one of the males outdoors it is that have impregnated their female (they don't know of it's the females father, brother, cousin or son). They don't know the health status of either the father or the mother. There are so many kittens out there dying because their owner don't have any idea aboyt the fact that blood group incompatability can KILL newborn kittens. There are probably even more kittens out there dying because the owner of the mother don't know the value of vaccinating against distemper or testing for FIV or FeLV.
It doesn't matter how healthy a cat looks, if you don't know the heritage of the cats and if you don't test them thoroughly you can't claim the kittens will be healthy. Even with testing you can't claim this, but you can say the parents don't show any signs of "this and that" and that is a lot better than nothing.
And yet that still seems to be the goal many breeders have.
Wow next time I want to buy a purebred I will make sure to get it from the Netherlands. No breeder here can provide such papers. Because nearly all the purebred cats here have these diseases it just continues because the breeders will not stop. If only here breeders had to follow the same rules maybe we could do the same, and eliminate FeLV and FIV and FIP, Feline Distemper. And Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m sure I would look upon breeders differently, but at the moment we do not, and most purebred are unhealthy here, because these diseases are sooo infectious that the only way to truly eliminate it from the population is to stop breeding completely for one year, and have no cats in the infected house for one year, otherwise if you only get rid of the infected cats but keep the healthy ones, they will also pick it up at any time in that year from any place. And yet here no breeder is responsible enough to know when to stop.
Thatâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s what Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m trying to say, thank you! I totally agree. There is a lot to do, and its hard to keep up. I only have a couple of cats I own, and I can hardly keep up. Smaller catteries are much more responsible.
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Many breeder s do testing I know that in your area they cant all be BYB ....
I rescue cats and before I allow any cats out they have to be tested. Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m not a vet and I donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t act like one, I go to the vet with and ask a million questions, my vet usually spends an hour with me talking about the cats and what to do with them. (he likes my money) Its kind of a statistic that I have come up with, it may not be right, but I figure, if all the diseased cats Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m getting are suposto be pure and the best, why is it happening? Because there are so many different diseases some that can affect all cats, some that can affect one kind of breed. And then there are the “back yard breeders†who donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t take all that is being talked about in to consideration and breed unhealthy cats and it spreads like the plague. You just need to know when to stop.
Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m just trying to say, to get back on topic, it donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t matter if it is pure of a mixed breed, I think they are both great. I personally donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t believe having on litter can harm anyone if you do it right. Weather its pure or mixed. Like a good breeder would know when to stop and not breed anymore, and new breeder should know how to start. There are many people here who say “donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t breed there are too many cats†but they are breeders sending out hundreds of cats.
You may only buy the most healthy cats to start a breeding program, but when cats are together like that in large amounts, they walk in their litter boxes and spread fical matter, because lets face it cats are not so great at washing their hands after going to the washroom, suddenly there is an out break and a breeder doesnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t know and continues doing what they have been doing for the last five years.
Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m going to ignore your other rude comments… but You misunderstand what Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m trying to say. People are saying there are many cats in the world. But going through their fingers is hundreds of cats, the only thing they can commit to is the breed, not the actual cats, that sure are beautiful and make great pets, what a business, but the new owners may lose them, and buy a new kitten and we have more cats with out homes. And no matter what, nearly everyone here has had a cat have a litter. Some breeders keep breeding trying to advance their breed in to a “grand champion†which I donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t think is natural. I think there are more important things to be breeding for, I think if someone has a purebred and mates them with another purebred once, thatâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s great and if they happen to create a grand champion that is totally natural. And if for some reason there is a complication and you have to take your cat in for a emergency c-cetion that is also natural, thank god we have vets. 800-1000 dollars later. That will put breeding into perspective for you. or maybe for some people that will just make them want to try harder, and I don't get that. >
I am really curious of which diseases you believe live in an enviroment for one year. I can guarantee, without a shadow of a doubt as can many breeders, that they do not have and are not producing Felv/Fiv kittens, although they won't have control if a pet owner is ignorant and allows the cat outdoors to get infected. Breeders who scan for certain diseases, can guarantee against PKD. Unfortunately HCM, that is found in all moggies and purebreeds can't be actually guaranteed, but many breeders do scan yearly, and I know many who have stood behind their cats and kittens long past their genetic guarantee. If we bring FIP into the issue, then you must know this is one of the most misunderstood diseases, even with the ongoing research. If can give you links to some of the most updated information from very accredited vets.
I think it is really sad that you have only been around BYB, who were after a profit. Yes, there are many who are in breeding for the money, but I know many, including myself, that breed for the love of the breed, and due to testing our cats for many different diseases annually, as well as altering all kittens prior to homing, keeping the kitten from 12-14 weeks of age, only feeding premium foods and litter, vaccinations, and scheduled wormings, I can assure you there is NO profit. And, I didn't mention the misc, such as showing, fun toys, kitten care packages, that I didn't even add into the amount of money, there will be some years breeders come out in the red.
If you are against breeding purebreds, then please, rescue, that is wonderful, but don't lump all breeders into one bunch and say we are all bad, and don't place all purebred cats as being weaker or more prone to diseases, than a moggie, as this is certainly not fact.
Many breeder s do testing I know that in your area they cant all be BYB
no there are some good ones, or so they a Appear to be, but I canâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t go in to their house and say “excuse me can I test your cat†lol right. But if I was interested in buying that breed I sure would want to then. but I have no need to buy an expencive cat where they are so many out there looking for homes.
I once bred sugar gliders, and found the prices were 100-1000 dollars and the only time people were intrested in buying them was only to breed them. it was hard to find homes for the rest. and sugar gliders are rare, I would hate to be in the situation with cats.
no there are some good ones, or so they a Appear to be, but I canâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t go in to their house and say “excuse me can I test your cat†lol right. But if I was interested in buying that breed I sure would want to then. but I have no need to buy an expencive cat where they are so many out there looking for homes.
I once bred sugar gliders, and found the prices were 100-1000 dollars and the only time people were intrested in buying them was only to breed them. it was hard to find homes for the rest. and sugar gliders are rare, I would hate to be in the situation with cats.
Miyu says: I rescue cats and before I allow any cats out they have to be tested. Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m not a vet and I donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t act like one, I go to the vet with and ask a million questions, my vet usually spends an hour with me talking about the cats and what to do with them. (he likes my money) Its kind of a statistic that I have come up with, it may not be right, but I figure, if all the diseased cats Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m getting are suposto be pure and the best, why is it happening?
I am very confused on your posts. You mention you "rescue" cats, in which you test before they go out. Are you testing them before they come in?? If your cat/kitten that you rescue is negative for Felv/Fiv, and it doesn't come in physical contact with an infected cat, the cat will stay free of these diseases. It sounds like you have a great vet, who will spend an hour talking with you about your cats. Since you mention plural cats, how many do you have? Then at the end of what I quoted you mention, "if all the diseased cats Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m getting are suposto be pure and the best, why is it happening?"
What is exactly happening? If you rescued a cat, you couldn't know the cats past, nor if the cat was truly purebred.....if that is what you meant.
I don't believe anyone is giving you rude comments, but trying to understand.
I hope you don't see my comments as rude, I feel somewhat knowledgble about cats and cat health, and I am trying to find out what point you are trying to make in your posts.
I am very confused on your posts. You mention you "rescue" cats, in which you test before they go out. Are you testing them before they come in?? If your cat/kitten that you rescue is negative for Felv/Fiv, and it doesn't come in physical contact with an infected cat, the cat will stay free of these diseases. It sounds like you have a great vet, who will spend an hour talking with you about your cats. Since you mention plural cats, how many do you have? Then at the end of what I quoted you mention, "if all the diseased cats Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m getting are suposto be pure and the best, why is it happening?"
What is exactly happening? If you rescued a cat, you couldn't know the cats past, nor if the cat was truly purebred.....if that is what you meant.
I don't believe anyone is giving you rude comments, but trying to understand.
I hope you don't see my comments as rude, I feel somewhat knowledgble about cats and cat health, and I am trying to find out what point you are trying to make in your posts.
Can you give me updated info on FIV, like cat aids, I had a purebred with it who died and spread it to my other cat who my mother kept. I studied it so I can try to help the breeder to stop it, but found the only way to stop is to clear out for one year. And she wouldnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t agree to that. I found it commonly starts in large catteries, but it is sooo contagious that if you have a cat with it, you can give it to your friends cat (an mixed cat) just by petting him. And so if that is an out door cat, can give it to other strange cats. I talked to another person who got an FIV infected cat from a breeder and she also went to the breeder with it and the breeder completely dismissed it. And would not take any responsibility. I talked to people at cat shows about it, and most of them “say†they only check a few of them. but who knows.. Why try to help them, they donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t listen, and they always talk to me like they are a vet. but no vet in their right mined would breed many many cats like this. So now I donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t try to help I file a complaint with the humane society about it, the city takes it seriously, the sad thing is there are too many out there to do anything about it. I had an experience an older couple who was breeding rex cats for a cheap amount, they were so sickly looking, all of them were dirty, and had ear mites. (of course they thought they looked good) and when they investigated it, found the cats had many different diseases including distemper Feline leukemia. They were shut down and not charged.
I rescue cats before they go out in to my house I mean. That is out. Otherwise it is locked up “in†a cage. I only foster one cat on top of my 2.
Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m not angry at all breeders I know sometimes it sounds like that. Its just the bad ones that donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t stop doing what is wrong. My city wants to take it seriously but if the breeder canâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t stop, can recognize the signs, canâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t afford to test all their cats, then the city steps in and stops them, by the time that happens (which is years after they have been breeding and doing this for so long) it is so bad that every cat with diseases is destroyed. Which ends up being every cat. Take a look at this…
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/8129/AB/CA/RSS/#UPDATES
when those cats were put down I cried. BYB donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t know that they are BYB, its so sad
Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m not angry at all breeders I know sometimes it sounds like that. Its just the bad ones that donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t stop doing what is wrong. My city wants to take it seriously but if the breeder canâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t stop, can recognize the signs, canâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t afford to test all their cats, then the city steps in and stops them, by the time that happens (which is years after they have been breeding and doing this for so long) it is so bad that every cat with diseases is destroyed. Which ends up being every cat. Take a look at this…
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/8129/AB/CA/RSS/#UPDATES
when those cats were put down I cried. BYB donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t know that they are BYB, its so sad
If you came into my home, you would see vet documents on each cat we have ever bred, you will see annual felv/fiv negative tests. You would see the documents showing our cats scanned by board certified cardiologists, you will see annual vaccinations kept up to date and organized. If you are ever in a situation of buying an purebred cat, then I would hope you would ask the breeder for documents, if you had any doubt of the health. If that breeder isn't able to provide you with such proof, then I would run, not walk away from that breeder.
I don't think every person should own a purebred, I think those who rescue and love mixed breed cats are wonderful, and are just as important as a breeder who breeds to preserve a breed, and concentrate on health and temperament, and yes type.
It seems that you are wanting to help educate others about the common and rare diseases, and to help others see that there are a good portion of breeders of every breed that have questionable ethics when it comes to breeding. I would go as far to say, there are more questionable breeders than good breeders.
I don't think in the aspect of quanity and how many kittens I can produce and sell, I think of quality, I do think that breeders should think of health first, temperament next, and type last.
I have heard of sugar gliders, but don't know really anything about them, but you do mention many just wanted to buy a breeder. In my 5 years, I have only allowed 2 breeders to leave my home without first being altered, those breeders, share in my views, and also alter their kittens prior to placement and are not out to make a profit. I get an e-mail or call a week from a person wanting "just one litter". I will do my best to explain in sincerety why we feel that is wrong, and direct them to their local shelter or rescue to help a pregnant Mom and kittens. If I let those with the mentality to have "just one litter", I can't tell you how many more kittens would have been produced, and because those that want "just one litter" usually do not have the knowledge to test or scan for certain diseases. They also are less likely to spay or neuter before placing their kittens and the cycle continues.
However, you can go onto the pregnancy forum here and you will see that most of the accidental pregnancies are mixed breeds, you will also see on this area of the forum for breeders, you will see breeders educating and helping each other, to do better for our breed, and those who adopt our babies.
I now understand better, I think, the points you are making, I just feel that you are placing your mistrust in all breeders and not realizing that there are good ones out there. I also do still, respectfully disagree that a moggie is healthier than a purebred. I also disagree on any person purposely having "just one litter", when they can do that by going through their local shelter and help with one litter, or more. There are too many variables to make that type of statement.
that is why I'm not against one litter. I'm against Multiple litters. I kinda donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t know what this debate is going on and on about, I mean we all love cats and donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t want the abuse, I will keep fighting whatever cause you think is right, for me, I wish people would only breed a few litters, because BYB donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t know that they are doing it all wrong, but they only get stopped after years of checks, and complaints.. it takes a long time to shut them down. Since there is so little people can do, other then complain they keep going and going, and they truly think they are great breeders, and they convince you that they are too. And each investigation they managed clean up enough and convince the city they are good. When they slip up its too late for the cats. So yeah it hurts me more anything because I love cats so much.
I have never seen a breeder here offer that with out request. I really should write the paper about that and hopefully educate the people that this should be a city requirement.
But the thing I worry about is people love kittens love to breed and will do it no matter what you say, if someone wanted “one†litter, donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t you think you could help them rather then them just going out and doing it anyway, if you provided the cat and explained if you want just one litter you need to buy this cat only because…(everything you just said… its healthy, has good genes, that you need to test for that and can provide the perfect mate) then mess up your Gene pool. And just sell a breeder, I mean if you do sell, I agree, 2 every 5 years, that sounds good. But still I hope they donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t go crazy. Take a cat that you would have bread, but rather you doing it, allow them to do it. (well you would still do it, but they feel like they are doing it) Because I bet you have One queen that is probably your best, and a few others that you are trying to create good kittens out of. Sell one of them. and if they only want one litter you know they will spay her after and WOW, less kitties, I mean you have breeding cats, why not let One of you breeding cats retire early. but better quality cats. I mean if your not out for the money, but just for bettering the breed, then Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m sure you donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t have to do it yourself.
I understand but...I have not seen it but I have heard of some people who breed as a team, one keeps males and one keeps females. I think that is great you never have accidents.
I understand your frustration with BYB's, I know it does seem like an endless battle. There are some breeders that "just don't know", not an excuse, but it is why I try to promote learning. There are those that you could show proof of their ignorance on breeding, and they will never change their mind. One of the reasons I began breeding, was because of people getting, a purebred cat, and saying it doesn't look what I thought it would, it doesn't act like I thought it would, and now it is sick, and the breeder says "sorry". We wanted to be able to know what it is like to be an excited person about to adopt a purebred kitten, which yes, are expensive, but but because of all the testing and misc that goes into breeding. I give a 4 year genetic health contract, but I would like to think that in the future, if I ever found out that I produced a kitten with a genetic problem, that even after the guarantee was over, I would want to replace the kitten, and find out and retire the cat that had caused the issue.
I think you may be getting FIP, which is a mutation of the corona virus with FIV. FIV is only transmitted through a bite or transfer of fluids, and doesn't live outside the body, so no time would need to go by, before getting another kitten or cat. Here is a link from Cornell, and you can read for yourself.
FIP, is still misunderstood, even after all of the research that has been done to date. We know that it is a mutation of the corona virus, and they have many theories, but none that have facts behind them. Once it was thought that FIP came from dirty, filthy large catteries, but now they have figured out FIP, doesn't just hit "unhealthy catteries, but can hit just about anyone breeding. It is more prevalent though in large colonies of cats in small spaces, and while I do know the corona virus can live outside the cats body, inside the home for several weeks, but I am not sure if FIP can live outside the body. It is estimated that 80-90% of ALL cats carry the corona virus and a small percentage, usually young kittens it can mutate into FIP. I have heard that once it is FIP, it is no longer contagious. I can't say if that is fact or fiction. FIP is a nasty disease, and so far hasn't given enough clues to give vets a chance to begin learning more, however, I believe the Winn Feline Foundation is doing research, and would appreciate any donations towards the study of FIP. I would like to give you a few links by well known vets, so you can see a bigger picture of FIP.
http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/fip.html
http://www.dr-addie.com/
Both are excellent links.
I hope the links help, and I am sorry that you have to deal with breeders with an uncaring attitude. I can tell of your love for all cats.
I think the best any of us can do, is educate potential pet adopters, which is one of the main goals of this forum is to help educate people against declawing, keeping cats intact, as well as having the breeders forum to help educate about breeds, health, showing, many facets of breeding, and there are breeders on here with much more experience than I, that are caring, and have done great by their chosen breeds.
Also remember, that in posts, we don't get to see facial expressions or the tone of voice. I think most members here, whether they are breeders, rescue, or pet owners, are passionate about cats, and while it may seem like the posts are rude, it is just passion talking. Don't take it personal, we all will disagree at some point on a subject.
I just wanted to say, that while there are those BYB's out there, as well as bad pet owners, there are also good breeders, that are doing their best to ensure the health of their cats and kittens, and pet owners who would spend every last dime trying to save the life of their loved family pet.
It would be great if we could snap our fingers and take out all the puppy and kitten mills, as well as those who sell sick animals, and hope for profit, but it isn't a reality, so the best we can do is to educate people about diseases, about BYB, and hope they listen.
Sincerely,
Stormi
PS, sorry for any grammar or spelling mistakes, it was getting late.
