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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
Makes me question the entire processed foods industry as a whole.
Me too (as I'm sitting here sipping on a diet Coke)
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Now this may be totally ignorant, but I don't know the US standards let alone the Canadian standards...

Would Menu Foods have had less stringent standards as are as USDA and animal testing because they are located in Canada and not the US? Or would they have to comply with US standards because they import into the US and are sold under US based companies?
They would have to comply with the US standards as far as I know. It's like Tequila from Mexico. If you're in Mexico, most likely you have a worm at the bottom. If its import into the States from Mexico then no worm.
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Now this may be totally ignorant, but I don't know the US standards let alone the Canadian standards...

Would Menu Foods have had less stringent standards as are as USDA and animal testing because they are located in Canada and not the US? Or would they have to comply with US standards because they import into the US and are sold under US based companies?
If the plant is in Canada it is under Canadian authority if the plant is in the US then USDA protocal has to be followed... too bad we dont have EU stds
post #34 of 51
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
If the plant is in Canada it is under Canadian authority if the plant is in the US then USDA protocal has to be followed... too bad we dont have EU stds


As sharky said, if the plant is in US it follows USDA protocols and if in Canada, well the Canadian Food Authority doesn't regulate the pet industry, so decide for yourself. Either way they also have to fall under border / customs laws for import into the other country

The actual food was made in the US which is why the FDA is involved rather than Canadian Authorities who are all looking at each other wondering who has to deal with the mess
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
No there are no HUMAN GRADE guidelines for pet food s.... I am unsure about menu foods but someone posted about milkway and animal digest being in the same transport vessel at different times... The USDA and AFFCO are in charge of animal std s and the USDA is in charge of most human stds
I would not expect HUMAN GRADE guidelines used for ANY kind of pet foods whatsoever, what I meant was, I didn't know if there are/were any similar types of guidelines used in the pet food industry.

It does make sense to me that the USDA would be involved, as I figure there has to be SOME sort of watchdog governmental group, but again, I am not educated on standards used for any food processing industry, human OR pet food grade.
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
I would not expect HUMAN GRADE guidelines used for ANY kind of pet foods whatsoever, what I meant was, I didn't know if there are/were any similar types of guidelines used in the pet food industry.

It does make sense to me that the USDA would be involved, as I figure there has to be SOME sort of watchdog governmental group, but again, I am not educated on standards used for any food processing industry, human OR pet food grade.
i had that education in high school ... then I learned to garden now if I could buy a ranch
post #37 of 51
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i had that education in high school ... then I learned to garden now if I could buy a ranch
And then build your own processing facility...I'd buy my pet food from you!
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
And then build your own processing facility...I'd buy my pet food from you!
thats an idea... now to get a bank to loan me $$$
post #39 of 51
So then which one of us is going to go to capitol hill and demand higher regulations for pet food?

It's all fine and dandy that we're posting about it here, but I doubt very much that a decision maker from the USDA is sitting on this forum (if I'm wrong, stand up!).

Many, many assurance plans are based on assumptions. Obviously there was never a protocol that said "causes of kidney disease in pets can include fungus growth from wheat germ. Proper tests must be ran prior to canning and distribution of the product." Most likely Menu Foods was looking to cut costs got this wheat germ from a new supplier [which probably cost less, saving the company $$] and went with that. Probably the new supplier didn't run tests on the wheat germ prior to shipment.

Then go through and begin to find scenerios in which other deaths may occur. You'll have a nice position in the USDA then.
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
So then which one of us is going to go to capitol hill and demand higher regulations for pet food?

It's all fine and dandy that we're posting about it here, but I doubt very much that a decision maker from the USDA is sitting on this forum (if I'm wrong, stand up!).
You never know, reps from some of the food companies have been making appearances

We should do something more than just talk about it though.
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
So then which one of us is going to go to capitol hill and demand higher regulations for pet food?

It's all fine and dandy that we're posting about it here, but I doubt very much that a decision maker from the USDA is sitting on this forum (if I'm wrong, stand up!).

Many, many assurance plans are based on assumptions. Obviously there was never a protocol that said "causes of kidney disease in pets can include fungus growth from wheat germ. Proper tests must be ran prior to canning and distribution of the product." Most likely Menu Foods was looking to cut costs got this wheat germ from a new supplier [which probably cost less, saving the company $$] and went with that. Probably the new supplier didn't run tests on the wheat germ prior to shipment.

Then go through and begin to find scenerios in which other deaths may occur. You'll have a nice position in the USDA then.
I will let those that can talk in complete sentences do that
post #42 of 51
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I will let those that can talk in complete sentences do that
Sounds like a plan ma'am.
post #43 of 51
Okay, I asked this earlier, sort of, without response. (what? ya'll got that clique thing going on?)

If the answer to this is obvious, point it out to me. Wouldn't all the complaints have to originate through the brand name companies? (Like Iams, Nutro, etc) Why would they let one of their manufacturers sit on this for 2 months? I just don't understand why Menu Foods got away with letting this slide for as long as they did without intense pressure from the companies involved. Okay, so one of the companies is Proctor & Gamble, who probably has never given a crap about animals to begin with.

Poisoning those animals intentionally? To me, that was just the exclamation point on a statement about how they truly regard animals.
post #44 of 51
I would imagine that they had 1 complaint each from a few different companies and they were all not aware of the other companies' complaints. I would imagine that most companies will put one incident down to coincidence and just let the manufacturer know for legal/insurance purposes?

Totally opinion there but if I go any other route, pet food companies are evil and I will have to try raw / home cooked again and mine just wont go for it
post #45 of 51
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I would imagine that they had 1 complaint each from a few different companies and they were all not aware of the other companies' complaints. I would imagine that most companies will put one incident down to coincidence and just let the manufacturer know for legal/insurance purposes?
I'm hoping that kind of information will eventually have to be made available.

Anyway, it's started. They may want to start wolfing down some of that contaminated food themselves. This one is for 25 million.


http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_ne...431687,00.html
post #46 of 51
I think what is most telling for me is that all of these brands, from the bottom basement brand up to a brand like Nutro are quite clearly using the same quality ingredients. Sure, the formulas are a little different, but the factory floor scraps we talk about being put in X Store Brand are also going into Nutro.

I'm really glad I have a private local canning plant in my area and that they manufacture a good formula (hey, it stopped Raphael's IBD symptoms...it must be worth it's salt) that I'm comfortable feeding until I can do homecooked or raw.

What is also telling is that our human food gets recalled fairly regularly as well. We clearly have no idea what we're buying and eating.
post #47 of 51
I thought it was they knew there was a problem with the food, but still sent it out. Either way it's wrong. This recall has caused hundreds of pet owners un needed stress and worry. I heard that pet owners who have lost their beloved pets are not able to do anything about it. Our pets are seen as nothing more then property, like a chair or a tv. My own dad said that all my litte Limerick would get is maybe $100, if I were to sue. He laughed when I said one million min.
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant View Post
I think what is most telling for me is that all of these brands, from the bottom basement brand up to a brand like Nutro are quite clearly using the same quality ingredients. Sure, the formulas are a little different, but the factory floor scraps we talk about being put in X Store Brand are also going into Nutro.

I'm really glad I have a private local canning plant in my area and that they manufacture a good formula (hey, it stopped Raphael's IBD symptoms...it must be worth it's salt) that I'm comfortable feeding until I can do homecooked or raw.

What is also telling is that our human food gets recalled fairly regularly as well. We clearly have no idea what we're buying and eating.
this is a thought that has crossed me ... especially finding out that nautra wellness and natures prairie use MENU ... those arent in the recall but if two plants have issues ????? and I am paying up to $4 a can for these???
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Found this AP story...

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/arti...a40002b771.txt

This is what is SO disturbing to me:



YES, this is wrong! Why couldn't they test the food itself? At least run tests on the food?

And why exactly did they wait a month before doing anything? How many more beloved pets, shelter animals, ferals, etc. died because they waited a full MONTH?

Oh this just makes my blood boil!
What the heck are labs for??? I agree--testing the food on animals is SICK, SICK, SICK!

MargeCat
post #50 of 51
Everyone has made some excellent points on the topic. As of right now, i'm not buying ANY soft food whatsoever for my cats, dogs, or foster kittens. I will not risk it. I am making all of my own for the ones who do need it. I'm using plain baked chicken and plain white rice because at the moment- i trust my cooking much better than a food manufactors who has already killed countless animals. Also, to add another layer to this- i we just admitted into the ER yesterday for food poisioning myself. It is aweful. This is the second time i've had it.....I can only imagine what a horrid death those poor animals suffered from the food they were given. Also, does ANYONE know anything about Whiskas pouches or Fancy Feast or Pedigree canned dog food????? Some of my kitties and my 11yr old Wolf mix had that before the recall in addition to their dry food. I haven't been able to find anything on it. I've been watching them like a hawk- no signs of anything...but to be safe absolutely no soft food from now on until this is all settled. I'm making everything.
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
Also, does ANYONE know anything about Whiskas pouches or Fancy Feast or Pedigree canned dog food????? Some of my kitties and my 11yr old Wolf mix had that before the recall in addition to their dry food. I haven't been able to find anything on it.
They're not on the recall list. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=120187 The first link in the thread has the list.
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