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post #61 of 539
Yes....Sadie's labs are within normal limits.
Now our task will be to keep them that way.

I think that the insult to her kidneys from the toxin in the recalled food was modified by early treatment.
I am really pleased.
post #62 of 539
Our vet just made a quick call to tell me to tell me that all of Dexter's lab numbers have returned to normal.
The one value I was able to write down was his creat/2.1.
Tomorrow or Fri. I will go pick up a copy so I know the details.

Both should be re-tested in 6 months... pre/dentals.

Wheeeee.....
Sadie & Dexter's kidney values are all within normal range.
post #63 of 539
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Originally Posted by xocats View Post
Our vet just made a quick call to tell me to tell me that all of Dexter's lab numbers have returned to normal.
The one value I was able to write down was his creat/2.1.
Tomorrow or Fri. I will go pick up a copy so I know the details.

Both should be re-tested in 6 months... pre/dentals.

Wheeeee.....
Sadie & Dexter's kidney values are all within normal range.
That is incredibly good news. I am so happy for you, and them.
post #64 of 539
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix View Post
That is incredibly good news. I am so happy for you, and them.
Thank you Pat...
Now my thoughts turn to your babies for their weekend labs.
post #65 of 539
AHHH that is great news ....
post #66 of 539
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Originally Posted by xocats View Post
Our vet just made a quick call to tell me to tell me that all of Dexter's lab numbers have returned to normal.
The one value I was able to write down was his creat/2.1.
Tomorrow or Fri. I will go pick up a copy so I know the details.

Both should be re-tested in 6 months... pre/dentals.

Wheeeee.....
Sadie & Dexter's kidney values are all within normal range.
WOOOHOOO!!!!

Happy dance, happy dance!!!

I'm so happy for you! You must be incredibly relieved! I will continue to keep Sadie and Dexter in my prayers.
post #67 of 539
I haven't been around in almost a month and am so happy to hear that both Sadie and Dexter's #'s are within range now!
post #68 of 539
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I haven't been around in almost a month and am so happy to hear that both Sadie and Dexter's #'s are within range now!
Thank you so much...
please come around more often.
post #69 of 539
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bumping this up for new members
post #70 of 539
Hello All.

My girl has been diagnosed with Kidney Disease. I wanted to post her numbers as I'm getting confused reading different sites and wanted opinions from those who have gone through this already.

Blood Work Numbers:
MCHC 35.9 Range 29.0-36.0%
BUN 82 Range 10-30 mg/dL
Creatinine 4.4 Range 0.8 - 1.8 mg/dL
Total Protein 6.9 Range 6.0 - 8.2 gm/dL
Albumin 3.5 Range 1.8 - 3.6 gm/dL
Calcium 10.5 Range 7.0-10.5 mg/dL
Phosphorus 8.1 Range 3.5-5.5 mg/dL
Sodium 159 Range 149-162 mEg/L
Postassium 5.2 Range 3.5 - 4.5 mEq/L
CPK 696 Range 50 - 480 U/L
T4 2.4 Range 1.2-5.2 ug/dL

Urine Work:
Urobilnogen normal
Glucose negative
Ketone negative
bilirubin negative
protein +/30
nitrite negative
leukocytes +++
blood +++/large
pH 6
USG 1.022
WBC 2-6/HPF
RBC packed
Casts 0
Crystals none
Bacteria none
Yeast 0

From what I've read - kitties with CRF usually have depleted potassium levels - but my girls are high.

The vet has recommended we feed her K/D food. So far - she's eating about 1/3 cup per day.

She is also on Baytril [antibiotic].

Any thoughts / insights you could provide would be great.

Thanks.

Cindy
post #71 of 539
I am still hurting from the loss of my CRF girl she put up a 4 yr fight ... but I will try to shed a little light


My girl has been diagnosed with Kidney Disease. I wanted to post her numbers as I'm getting confused reading different sites and wanted opinions from those who have gone through this already.

Blood Work Numbers:
MCHC 35.9 Range 29.0-36.0%
BUN 82 Range 10-30 mg/dL this is one of two main CRF markers ... your babies is HIGH HIGH but with the creatine you have HOPE ....
Creatinine 4.4 Range 0.8 - 1.8 mg/dL
Total Protein 6.9 Range 6.0 - 8.2 gm/dL
Albumin 3.5 Range 1.8 - 3.6 gm/dL
Calcium 10.5 Range 7.0-10.5 mg/dLWatch this closely as it can be an issue
Phosphorus 8.1 Range 3.5-5.5 mg/dLPlease ask about phos binders to help lower this
Sodium 159 Range 149-162 mEg/L
Postassium 5.2 Range 3.5 - 4.5 mEq/L
CPK 696 Range 50 - 480 U/L
T4 2.4 Range 1.2-5.2 ug/dL

Urine Work:
Urobilnogen normal
Glucose negative
Ketone negative
bilirubin negative
protein +/30
nitrite negative
leukocytes +++
blood +++/large
pH 6
USG 1.022
WBC 2-6/HPF
RBC packed
Casts 0
Crystals none
Bacteria none
Yeast 0

From what I've read - kitties with CRF usually have depleted potassium levels - but my girls are high.

The vet has recommended we feed her K/D food. So far - she's eating about 1/3 cup per day.

She is also on Baytril [antibiotic].

Any thoughts / insights you could provide would be great.

Thanks.

Cindy[/quote]


YOu should have hope but ask about a phos binder ... Is a 1/3 cup normal for her??? with her numbers I would STRONGLY urge wet food if at all possible
post #72 of 539
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Originally Posted by cac777 View Post
Hello All.

My girl has been diagnosed with Kidney Disease. I wanted to post her numbers as I'm getting confused reading different sites and wanted opinions from those who have gone through this already.

Blood Work Numbers:
MCHC 35.9 Range 29.0-36.0%
BUN 82 Range 10-30 mg/dL
Creatinine 4.4 Range 0.8 - 1.8 mg/dL


Calcium 10.5 Range 7.0-10.5 mg/dL
Phosphorus 8.1 Range 3.5-5.5 mg/dL
Postassium 5.2 Range 3.5 - 4.5 mEq/L
USG 1.022


Any thoughts / insights you could provide would be great.

Thanks.

Cindy
CRF kitties do not always have low potassium, so be glad yours does not

The level of phosphorous is one you do want to address asap, it can be dealt with by using a phos binder - which can be added to their food. Here is an excellent section on this:http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#high_phosphorus

Depending on how much your kitty normally weighs, 1/3 cup of kd doesn't sound like very much, but then most of my cats are far more than the petite size

The calcium level is also high, but as you'll read here, you may see that level fall if you get the phosphorous levels down:http://www.felinecrf.org/diagnosis.htm#calcium and there is a large discussion here of possible causes.

The urine specific gravity is low, showing dilute urine, which is typically seen in kitties with reduced kidney function.

The other good thing about the site I've given links to are the success stories, showing in some cases kitties initially diagnosed with very high numbers, that are brought under control.

I wish you all the best with getting your gal feeling better. I have two with crf currently, and 1 with crf due to PKD. I lost one last year after his living with crf for almost 4 years...so, I know some of what you are dealing with, and some of what you may be feeling.
post #73 of 539
Our geriatric guy, Oberon, has CRF and has lost 75% of kidney function. He also is on Tapazole (2.5 MG twice a day) for hyperthyroidism.

He is on canned Hill's k/d and Medi Cal Reduced Protein, with Epakitin added twice a day, and Medi Cal dry. He hated the Epakitin, and after two weeks boycotted any food with it, so our vet said to stop the Epakitin for five days, and very gradually reintroduce it.

I've added a little back in his diet the last three days, and now he has stopped eating his food completely, even without the Epakitin. He is obviously doing worse last night and today, and is throwing up foamy liquid. He'd just sit in front of his filled plates and look at me. So, I gave him a teaspoon of Lily & Sparkle's food (Nutrience) and he LOVED it. He ate another spoonful (with a little Epakitin in it) and went on the bed to snooze.

I know we need to keep phosporus intake low. I've tried to compare labels, but Nutrience doesn't list phosphorus.

Question 1: Is there a way to figure out phosphorus if it's not listed?

Question 2: Can I feed him the food he will eat if he takes Epakitin in it?

He has to keep eating, right? I tried to get his test results to post his levels but our vet's office is open Saturdays only for buying food and I have to wait until Monday. Any suggestions are appreciated!

Oberon says thanks!


The ones he's supposed to eat, but won't:

Medi Cal Reduced Protein

crude protein... min 6.5%
crude fat... min 5.5%
crude fiber... max 1.2%
moisture... max 77.0%
ash... max 2.2%
calcium... min 0.1%
phosphorus... min 0.04%
magnesium... max 0.2%
taurine... min 0.1%


Hill's Prescription Diet k/d

crude protein... min 8.0%
crude fat... min 10.0%
crude fiber... max 1.0%
moisture... max 78.0%
ash... max 1.3%
calcium... min 0.1%
phosphorus... min 0.1%
magnesium... max 0.02%
taurine... min 0.5%

The one(s) he will/likes eat:

Nutrience Holistic Duck & Rabbit
http://www.nutrience.com/english/cat/C-2150.html

crude protein... min 10.0%
crude fat... min 6.0%
crude fiber... max 1.5%
moisture... max 78.0%
ash... max 3.0%
magnesium... max 0.02%

Go! Natural
http://www.petcurean.com/index.php?page_id=130

crude protein... min 11.0%
crude fat... min 6.0%
crude fiber... max 1.0%
moisture... max 78.0%
ash... max 2.0%
magnesium... max 0.25%
taurine... min 0.5%
post #74 of 539
Thread Starter 
Yes, most important is that Oberon eat, let the phos binder handle if it's a bit high in phos.

I found a site that though it doesn't list the two foods you mentioned he would eat, does list the phos content for foods outside the US:
http://www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/nonusfd.html I thought this list might be useful.

The foamy white vomit goes along with nausea, did your vet prescribe an antacid? If not, you may want to ask for one...one that is given is pepcid (plain, not the complete, not the super strength)..one can also use slippery elm bark syrup or powder in a capsule for this. The felinecrf.org site discusses nausea/vomitting and antacids, and the slippery elm bark is under Holistic treatments.

Wishing your fellow all the best,
post #75 of 539
Thanks so much!
post #76 of 539
All

I have learned that my little Zoey will eat the Chicken flavored wet k/d [especially if I mix some water with it].

I have 4 lbs of the dry stuff as well. Can I mix with low-sodium chicken broth to make my own wet stuff for her to eat since she won't touch the dry stuff anymore? If so - do you have any good ideas for proportions to use?

I would call and ask my vet - but since it is Sunday and tomorrow is the holiday - I won't be able to reach them until Tuesday and she has to eat between now and then.

Thanks.

Cindy
post #77 of 539
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All

I have learned that my little Zoey will eat the Chicken flavored wet k/d [especially if I mix some water with it].

I have 4 lbs of the dry stuff as well. Can I mix with low-sodium chicken broth to make my own wet stuff for her to eat since she won't touch the dry stuff anymore? If so - do you have any good ideas for proportions to use?

I would call and ask my vet - but since it is Sunday and tomorrow is the holiday - I won't be able to reach them until Tuesday and she has to eat between now and then.

Thanks.

Cindy
Cindy,

The only problem with commercial chicken broth, is some have onions as a seasoning, and if you see any mention of spice or flavorings, I'd wonder if that meant onion. I'd make your own - using fresh chicken, not chicken that say is a good brand but frozen with a per centage of a solution injected into it. Can be just a plain batch of fresh chicken wings, boil 'em up with nothing added until you get a nice broth, and use that.
post #78 of 539
Thanks for the info on the chicken broth - I did see mention of onion concentrate in the ingrediant listing for the chicken broth.

I'll make up some broth tomorrow....and for now try to get her to eat the original flavor wet k/d [will add water to the stuff to make smoother].
post #79 of 539
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Thank you Mods for making this a sticky. I really appreciate it!
post #80 of 539
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix View Post
Thank you Mods for making this a sticky. I really appreciate it!

I am moving on the 1st of June but as soon as I am settled, I will be back to this important thread for support and to offer support.

Lots of calm, healing, healthy vibes to all CRF kitties and their loving guardians.
post #81 of 539
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Originally Posted by xocats View Post

I am moving on the 1st of June but as soon as I am settled, I will be back to this important thread for support and to offer support.

Lots of calm, healing, healthy vibes to all CRF kitties and their loving guardians.

Ditto that! I send love to you all! Bobbie
post #82 of 539
Here's two links (one for canned food, one for dry food) that list many commercial cat foods, as well as commercial renal diets, into DMA (dry matter analysis) percentages for protein and phosphorus content. Using DMA is the only accurate way to compare actual foods to each other, because 'as fed' or 'guaranteed analysis' doesn't take into consideration the amount of water in each food.

http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/dryfood.htm
post #83 of 539
My cat Duncan (a wee bit over a month shy of being 19), has renal problems. (I say "renal problems" because last it was actually given a name, which was over 2 years ago, the ER vet referred to it as pre-renal disease. His last several bloodtests have shown that his BUN and CREA levels to be considerably lower than when he was diagnosed, and were even within the normal range, so I don't know what stage it would technically be considered at this point.)

He is on Phenobarbital for epilepsy, KD soft and hard food, Felovite 2 vitamins, water through the mouth via syringe, and Enulose (spelling?) which is for his hard stools. He recently had 2 Enemas for severe constipation (both given within 24 hours since he was very badly clogged since his body had sucked all the water out of his poo causing him to get backed up), Baytil (given for a few days after the enema), and Laxatone (laxative.) The enemas were given I think about 15 days ago, (sorry, very sleep deprived right now, hard to think straight.). After returning from the enemas, he seemed very weak and wasn't eating much, so after 2 or 3 days I started blending the KD canned with water and feeding him via syringe (by mouth) since he already willingly takes his water that way. For several days he seemed to plump up and looked stronger. He hadn't pooed in over a week since the day he returned from the enema, so last Saturday we took him back in to the vet. He felt his insides and said that there was nothing in there. I asked why and he said that was because of the liquid diet, nothing to worry about.

Thursday he did a small pee in the morning. He seemed like he wanted to do more, but nothing came out. Later in the afternoon he felt very light, and was rather "floppy", not walking, and out of it. The vet was gone for the day, but the nurse was still there and said she could check him out and give him fluids. She gave him sub-cutanous fluids, and said he likely only had hours to live. After a few hours of "convincing" I finally got mom to take him to the pet hospital, where we were charged $115 to be told that the bare minimum they recommended would be stay overnight with IV fluids for over $1000. They ideally wanted him to stay 3+ days. Unfortunately, this was way beyond what I could spend so we took him back home.

He managed to make it through the night. Our vet was called at his other office (he has two branches), and the situation was explained, and we asked if he could do an IV fluid. He said to stop by our normal office (which doesn't have hours on Friday.) at 2:45 PM and he'd check him out. He said his heart was beating strong and healthy, he was so dehydrated that his body sucked up the pee out of his bladder, and was even sucking the water out of the muscles in his legs, then he gave him another sub-cutanous fluids, and a shot (can't remember it's name, but he said that's supposed to kick-start his motabolysm [spelling?]), and to come back in tomorrow at 11am. With any luck the shot will have helped him become stronger, and he'd give him some more. If now, he'd have bloodwork done to see if there's any other options that could give him more time with a good quality of life. If not...well...I'd rather not go into that...

Is there any thing you guys can suggest that would help him live longer and have a good quality of life, or should I just enjoy what's likely my last few hours with him? [Why must this happen so close to my birthday? ]
post #84 of 539
to quote Pat on this site treat the cat NOT the numbers...

Is your kitty reacting to you like normal ???

He will tell you when to stop.I didnt beleive that but it is so true ...... I just lost one three weeks ago to CRF ... If you need to talk cry I am a Pm away
post #85 of 539
When he's awake, he'll look at us, if he's feeling a bit strong try to reach for us with a front paw, if he succeeds, he'll often latch on to the person's shirt, or he'll curl a paw around a person's finger. If I lay my hand/arm against his head, neck, or back, I can feel him softly vibrating (silently purring). Before this he'd do the purr thing as I just described, he liked putting his paw and/or head against a person's chest or limb/s. Is this what you mean by reacting to you like normal?
post #86 of 539
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Is this what you mean by reacting to you like normal?
Imagine yourself in Duncan's place....
what might you want if you were him.
What is best for him?

My thoughts are with you.
May calmness, love and peace be your guide.
Duncan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I just lost one three weeks ago to CRF"
I just now learned about your loss.
I am so sorry.
RIP Kandie
post #87 of 539
Since I wrote that he started perking up more, moving his head, yawing, moving limbs, and purring, but was still on the weak side (not able to walk yet or anything, but alot better than he has been.). I don't know what to do. I want my Duncan back more than anything.
post #88 of 539
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Originally Posted by AlysBrangwin View Post
Since I wrote that he started perking up more, moving his head, yawing, moving limbs, and purring, but was still on the weak side (not able to walk yet or anything, but alot better than he has been.). I don't know what to do. I want my Duncan back more than anything.
It is so hard to let go...
Savor every precious moment you have with your beloved boy...
You both will be in my prayers.
post #89 of 539
He's at home with us now. He's had a 3rd sub-cute treatment. The blood work showed that his BUN was slightly high (42, normal range is 1-36), his CREA was average (1.3mg normal range is 0.8-2.4 The vet said that's because he hasn't eaten in a few days due to the fluids.), his Glucose was rather high (281mg normal range is 71-159 The vet said it could be from the Enulose, so if it's diabetes, we won't know yet until that's completely out of his system.), and he's having enema problems (HCT is 19.4% normal range is 24-45%, HGB is 6.3g normal range is 8-15 , He said maybe go to ER every week to get blood every week, at $400-600 a pop, but we don't have the funds for that.).

He said that if he starts perking up we can go to the office every 3 days, pop in, get the sub-cutes, get out, for $10 a visit, but if he isn't able to start walking on his own, there's not much point in doing that.

He's more wide eyed and alert. He even let go a little poo and wee shortly after coming home, and recently threw up some water, but he's not looking like a wrung out dishtowel now, and is making more of an effort to try and move. He even started moving his tail, which has been a rarity as of late. He seems to start feeling better at late night, so I'm assuming how things go tonight will be very telling as to what options are available to us...
post #90 of 539
Your love is so strong....
Duncan does not want to leave you....
Have a good night.
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