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post #1 of 23
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Should the next president that runs the USA make it illegal to not spay or neuter dogs and cats and then turn around and make it illegal for money to be involved at all, that way poor people could just do it. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...es/agree.gif./ Basiclly it would be like,get the pet fixed free or get them taken away from you.
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You could have intact cats only if you could comply to strict state refrenes that you were a breeder.

It would save so many lives and litterly end pet overpopulation. Probably not realestic though.http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...lies/frown.gif
post #2 of 23
I agree that the cost should be less, if not free for those under a certain income...

But

That's something for states to set up, not the feds. This would loosely tie in with Freedom of Speech/Expression. If the next prez made a federal law to make it illegal not to spay/neuter, then it basically tells one group of people that their opinion doesn't matter.

Besides what about breeders? How would they be exempt?

Anyways, you're heart is there, just that is something more for the states rather then the feds. Our next prez is going to have a lot of cleaning to do from the previous 8 years...I think something like this would be small in her mind.
post #3 of 23
Its a nice idea, but sorry there is already to much goverment in are lives without them saying we want more of your money for something,

besides vets and the vet techs need to eat also
post #4 of 23
I would be happy with a law that makes spay/neuter mandatory.

I believe low cost spay/neuter should be available, but I don't think it should be free. If a person can't afford to get their pet a low cost spay/neuter
($100.00 or less) than IMO they cannot afford to have a pet.
post #5 of 23
Yes, I think all pet owners, not breeders should be required by law to spay or neuter their pets. Here in West Hollywood, it is a law for any pet living within West Hollwood City limits. If they made it National, then yes I believe we could save a lot of lives and put an end to a lot of deaths. As far as for free: Well I think it should work more on a sliding scale, according to your income. That way everyone could afford it I think $100 is a bit too steep for the average lower income person, and they are still going to have pets, whether you believe they should or not. It would be better to make it possible for them to spay and neuter. I tend to think that a lot of the animals reproducing out there are from poorer people, in the first plac.e
post #6 of 23
Then we can assume if a person cannot afford $100.00 that their pet will be sadly lacking in vet care.
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I would be happy with a law that makes spay/neuter mandatory.
but would we not run out of pets if we did that? lol.
Look i agree that something should be done, but making more rules is not going to fix the issue. And who is going to run around and check to see if every pet is fixed?

i think hope is right about the lower income family dont spend the money , but there are many places that have low cost , and how many people use it.

public adds, commericals etc,along with lower cost, would have much more impact then making a new law that no one will obey or enforce
post #8 of 23
Nah, there are enough losers out there that would not comply with the law.
post #9 of 23
While we are wishing... lets wish for him/her to make declawing illegal unless not doing so would be a health hazard to the cat (in the case of infected, ingrown claws, etc.)

If only..
post #10 of 23
I thought there was already a bill to do just that?
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
I thought there was already a bill to do just that?
Where? I believe West Hollywood has made declawing illegal, but haven't heard of any other place in the U.S. doing so.
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Where? I believe West Hollywood has made declawing illegal, but haven't heard of any other place in the U.S. doing so.
Yes, it is illegal in West Hollywood to declaw, and it is West Hollywood that passed a law about neutering and spaying all pet dogs, not sure about cats yet.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
That's something for states to set up, not the feds. This would loosely tie in with Freedom of Speech/Expression. If the next prez made a federal law to make it illegal not to spay/neuter, then it basically tells one group of people that their opinion doesn't matter.
I feel the same way. That is something better left up to the individual states. Besides, while I think it is a FABULOUS, WONDERFUL idea that I would support 110%, I could not see any of our current presidential candidates taking the time for such an issue unless, of course, Bob Barker threw his hat in the ring .
post #14 of 23
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I agree with you about having the states decide but in my opinion this would take too long and it would be complacated. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...s/rolleyes.gif

Breeders would be exmpt because they would have to have a lisence and a stamp to breed, by fingerprints only, none could fake it. It would be as hard to fake breeding as it would be for someone to have a pet lion or tiger without anyone noticing.http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...ilies/wink.gif
Declawing too should be made illegal unless the cat has issues that require it, by state standards, and ideally animal cops would get more calls about boththese things.
post #15 of 23
This is definitely a state issue, and probably even a local issue.

There are already a lot of low cost and sliding scale spay/neuter programs available, but the problem is that not many people know about them unless they are already active in the rescue community. That's not the target audience. There does need to be more community outreach and education about spaying and neutering before any kind of law could be enacted. How many people do we get here, who are actively searching for answers, that feel it is unnatural to S/N, or think it's best if they have "just one litter" and will argue until they are blue in the fingers?

Who is going to pay for this? The laws on the books now can't all be effectively enforced, and I guarantee that the "War on Drugs" is more important to politicians and cops than the "War on Pet Overpopulation". Who would pay for the free or low cost S/N? The vet costs wouldn't go down just because it's a law. Who would pay for the federal agents to enforce it?

It's a good idea, it really is. But the logistics aren't feasible, not to mention that, like Amy (ugaimes) said none of the candidates would support it. And Congress wouldn't pass it. They can't even decide if transporting animals across state lines for fighting (dogs and roosters) should be illegal!

While it's great to dream of the perfect solution, I feel more strongly about working on the attainable. Education, education, education. Right now, that is absolutely the paramount solution, because until we reach and teach the general population that it is better for everyone to S/N, a law like this would be fruitless.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Where? I believe West Hollywood has made declawing illegal, but haven't heard of any other place in the U.S. doing so.
I will go look in the morning, i would swear i saw someplace that in congress a bill was introduced to make declawing illegal. I dont remember if was at the state or federal level. I also know that my vet was telling me about it.
post #17 of 23
No, there should not be a law!! We have enough dumb laws as it is. I am not saying that controling the pet population or having your pets spayed and neutered is stupid, just the law would be. Education is the key. Many people need to learn and understand the responsibilities of pet ownership. Besides, how would you determine or regulate who is a breeder or who can breed?
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And Congress wouldn't pass it. They can't even decide if transporting animals across state lines for fighting (dogs and roosters) should be illegal!
Well, they have already done this with exotics, it's called the animal welfare safety act.
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While it's great to dream of the perfect solution, I feel more strongly about working on the attainable. Education, education, education. Right now, that is absolutely the paramount solution, because until we reach and teach the general population that it is better for everyone to S/N, a law like this would be fruitless.
I agree 100%. Laws don't always fix things.
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I will go look in the morning, i would swear i saw someplace that in congress a bill was introduced to make declawing illegal. I dont remember if was at the state or federal level. I also know that my vet was telling me about it.
Maybe you heard about the new USDA regulations for exotic cat owners. If you are USDA licensed and own exotics, you can no longer declaw or worse yet, defang.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
Yes, it is illegal in West Hollywood to declaw, and it is West Hollywood that passed a law about neutering and spaying all pet dogs, not sure about cats yet.
Its not just West Hollywood. The entire state of Caliifornia is illegal to declaw. I can't find the link but I know it is. When we got Karma the humain society told us.

As for the mandatory thing. YES it should be law. I know I could not have afforded the up front cost of 100 to pay for it so a sliding scale is best. If the time came god forbid, that Karma need something I would do whaever it took. Just because I may not be able to afford 100 up front does mot mean I could not afford health care for her. I was lucky and found a vet who would work with us. Just because you can't afford the cost to spay or neuter does not mean you would not do what you needed to take care of your pet.
When I got her money was tight, life changes, now I could afford it. Just because someone can't afford a child does not mean they would be bad parents.
post #19 of 23
Hmmm...I thought someone had questioned who would police it...but unfortunately after skimming i can't find who posted it...

In anycase though if it were federal law...who would knock on your door? The FBI? If my cats weren't s/n, that's the last group of people I would want knocking on my door.

If its local police, then that resides at the city level and not all cities are rolling in the money to have the proper law enforcement. At least around here.

Plus for the ones who keep their pets inside, how would you spot it? How would you know other then the vet? Not everyone takes their pets to the vet.
post #20 of 23
There is already too much government interference in people's lives. The decision to S/N is a PERSONAL one.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by katl8e View Post
There is already too much government interference in people's lives. The decision to S/N is a PERSONAL one.
Yea that.

Though they could do a heck of a lot more to PROMOTE s/n than they do now. I do think, though, that cities should, if possible, require cats to be liscensed like dogs are and spayed/neutered unless there is a really good reason not to (like an elderly cat that could die from the anesthesia, a real breeder's breeding cats, etc). But it shouldn't go any higher than city-level, because, well... any further than that and things just get messy overcomplicated and more and more expensive. And as has been pointed out, some cities can't afford it and well, then they just can't.
post #22 of 23
I think this is far to compulsive at this point in time to even propose as a lawful duty of the American society. Do not get me wrong, this would be a great accomplishment, BUT.....our government lacks the financial support and or protection of education and medical/health of the people as it is.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by Panther pride View Post
Should the next president that runs the USA make it illegal to not spay or neuter dogs and cats and then turn around and make it illegal for money to be involved at all, that way poor people could just do it. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...es/agree.gif./ Basiclly it would be like,get the pet fixed free or get them taken away from you.
http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...ilies/wink.gif

You could have intact cats only if you could comply to strict state refrenes that you were a breeder.

It would save so many lives and litterly end pet overpopulation. Probably not realestic though.http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...lies/frown.gif
Since I've not read this whole thread, it's probably been pointed out already, BUT the President of the U.S. does not make any laws. There are three branches of the Federal government - the Executive (President & cabinet), the Legislative (Congress - makes laws), and the Judicial (Federal and Supreme Courts - they enforce the laws Congress makes.

Actually, the local jurisdictions - cities, counties and states - make the majority of the laws, and the U.S. Constitution reserves those legislative rights to the states, and most states have similar statutes enpowering the cities and counties to enact such laws.

Sorry for the civics lesson, but the bottom line is that required pet spaying and neutering laws would be written at the city and county level, and certainly not by the U. S. President.

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But let's explore your idea. You say that all pets should be spayed and neutered for free or lose their pets. So these operations need to be performed by licensed vets. Who will pay these vets for their services if not the pet owners? And anyone refusing free neutering would lose their pet, right? So what would happen to all these pets? Would they be put to sleep?
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