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Global Warming, an alternative theory

post #1 of 12
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Article from National Geographic (so it's not some ultra-right-wing propoganda rag...) about how both the Earth and Mars are both experiencing a warming trend. It also contains scientists' theories on this, from both sides (it's not Al Gore, but hopefully people who actually are scientists will be sufficient). (Yes, tongue is firmly planted in cheek for the parts in parentheses.)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

Please Note:

From past threads on this subject, here are a few truths that get pushed aside in the heat of the debate:

1. No one is arguing that there is no warming trend.
2. No one is saying that we shouldn't do more to clean up the environment, no matter whether they believe that humans are the cause of global warming or not.
3. This IS a political topic, no matter what evidence is out there. The scientists may or may not be politically motivated, but the debate is definitely politically charged.
post #2 of 12
If I can find it, I'll dig out a thread from another forum I'm on that has already addressed this, and pretty much discredited it from a planetary atmospheric perspective.

I must admit, I was very interested in this when I first heard about it, but it seems that there is little to substantiate the argument.

I'm not one of those `global warming is 100% human-caused' people, I think it's most likely a combination of factors, but our contribution is indisputable (and not just because Al Gore says so!) and I think we need to take responsibility for our only home - Earth - regardless of global warming or not.

One of the things that I hate is going outside and being able to smell the chemicals, fumes and toxins in the air. And I live in a big, clean, quiet city, too. I take no exception whatsoever to any and all initiatives to clean up our planet - I couldn't care less whether that will help with global warming or if it's a belated step to get our butts into gear and start respecting rather than exploiting what we have. These things need to be done; we've raped, pillaged and violated our beautiful, blue world and all of the inhabitants of it for too long.
post #3 of 12
I have said and i will say again, I think its a natural cycle, that we( us people) may have made worse. I have pointed out before that the other places IE mars is just one,
has also been warming up. The debate is to what has been are influance on it.

i will agree with KitEKats4Eva! on

"One of the things that I hate is going outside and being able to smell the chemicals, fumes and toxins in the air. And I live in a big, clean, quiet city, too. I take no exception whatsoever to any and all initiatives to clean up our planet - I couldn't care less whether that will help with global warming or if it's a belated step to get our butts into gear and start respecting rather than exploiting what we have. These things need to be done; we've raped, pillaged and violated our beautiful, blue world and all of the inhabitants of it for too long."

try walking the streets in any large city in South east asia, and you know how much cleaning up needs to happen.
post #4 of 12
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try walking the streets in any large city in South east asia, and you know how much cleaning up needs to happen.
Well, yes - I've been to Thailand and that wasn't great.

I've also heard from a friend of mine who went to India a few years ago that she could smell Delhi from the tarmac at the airport. But I don't know if that was so much a smell of air pollution or just general smelliness because it's such a poor city. Probably the latter.

When we go to the States next year I'm sure in some of the big cities it will be very noticeable.
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Well, yes - I've been to Thailand and that wasn't great.

I've also heard from a friend of mine who went to India a few years ago that she could smell Delhi from the tarmac at the airport. But I don't know if that was so much a smell of air pollution or just general smelliness because it's such a poor city. Probably the latter.

When we go to the States next year I'm sure in some of the big cities it will be very noticeable.
Yea my aunt wanted to go with me to bangkok, but she has very bad breathing problems, told her not a good idea.

Not trying to be mean, but that smell is something you notice when you frist get off the plane in that whole area. i would vote for both pollution and poor. plus the cooking oil used for food adds to it also.

the states, hmm LA is really the only place that is bad, that i can think of. should dig up the pics of the smog around LA, and bangkok that i took from the air.

i thought you had already made your tip to the states.
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No not yet, though I've done some asking about it here in The Lounge. We're going next year hopefully. Only problem is, it's full of Americans.



THAT WAS A JOKE EVERYBODY!!
post #7 of 12
Here's an article about Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth", and the problems a few mainstream scientists have with it: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/sc...ml?ref=science
There's no mention of that guy's theory, though.
post #8 of 12
This does emphasize the idea that its not just us humans causing the melt down.

I think we are *helping* (not causing) the global warming trend. However I think its by a smaller percentage then what we think.

I don't 100% agree with this guy, but I wouldn't discredit him either. The fact that he takes a look at another planet that is having the same trend really adds some oomph IMO.

I think that the reason many scientists are quick to discredit his theory is then a lot of their government grants for research that credit the popular belief on this would go away.
post #9 of 12
This just occurred to me last night....do you realize that we are the only creatures on the planet that are NOT evolving with the environment? Of all the other forms of life on Earth, they are either adapting, or slowly (sometimes not so slowly) dying off.

But we humans simply sit in our air conditioned and heating buildings, driving our air conditioned and heated cars, running our humidifiers and air purifiers and filters and yada yada yada......

What will happen to humans decades or centuries from now, when we are still accustomed to the climate of the 1960's....and technology is no longer able to sustain those conditions???
post #10 of 12
I beg to differ with your truth number 3, but I digress.

It is possible that human-caused greenhouse effect is coinciding with some normal wamer period. It seems like a tiny side point in my view of it though.

Was an Inconvenient Truth alarmist? Yes. Of course it was. People aren't listening, people aren't changing, people don't care. I always considered the movie as meant to be worst-case-scenario that is possible, if not the likeliest.

But, of all the books before that, and movies, on climate change... how many of them won Academy Awards? How many made the best seller list? How many caused TWO threads on TCS?
post #11 of 12
I finally did see the Inconvenient Truth, I found it to be to over the top,in no way matched the other gobal warming reports that i have seen.

Academy Awards-=entertainment. one thing i have learned as i have gotten older
dont let or buy what entertainment people in hollywood try and sale you. Cause most of the time they are wrong.
post #12 of 12
The truth that can not be pushed aside are the numbers on carbon dioxide. They have been steadily rising ever since they have first been measured.

They are now past the highest figures that have been measured in the last 650,000 years. Fact. Not political spin.
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