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post #31 of 58
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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post
What do you consider an attack type dog?

German Shepards -bred for herding and protecting livestock
Pit Bulls -bred as all purpose working dogs, from herding and hunting, to pulling
Rottweilers -Another all purpose breed, mainly bred for pulling
Dobermans (another terrier breed) is the only breed off the top of my head who's original purpose was that of a guard/attack dog.

The point being any dog can be turned into an attack dog.

Young kids should never be left alone with any dog.
Yep any dog can turn mean!! I said before, I had 2 boxers and they both were MEAN!! We even raised them from litle tiny pups, and they were never ever taught to fight, etc....and one day, the one boxer(Chevy) he just snapped!!

So sad, but he had to be put down.

Heres another link for anyone interested.

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pitbull...g-attacks.html
post #32 of 58
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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post
What do you consider an attack type dog?

German Shepards -bred for herding and protecting livestock
Pit Bulls -bred as all purpose working dogs, from herding and hunting, to pulling
Rottweilers -Another all purpose breed, mainly bred for pulling
Dobermans (another terrier breed) is the only breed off the top of my head who's original purpose was that of a guard/attack dog.

The point being any dog can be turned into an attack dog.

Young kids should never be left alone with any dog.
PitBulls, Rottweilers, those types of dogs because you see them alot in used for security and defense. Not that other types can't be used, but that's what I personally see most often. Also after a while when you constantly here stories of the same type of dog attacking people, you start thinking of them in that way.
post #33 of 58
I've been attacked by four separate labs. And I witnessed daily exactly how that family managed to make dogs into vicious beasts who really nothing could have saved. Some of these things involved letting five year old boys shoot firecrackers at them. (Yes, we called the police, animal control, the humane society, and their dogs were taken away numerous times, including once after killing the neighbors dog, but they just kept getting more).

My point is, it really is the owners for the most part that make a bad dog. There are some genetic things to it, and sometimes something is wrong and they just are mean.

But I'm just afraid of pretty much any dog, not just "attack dogs"... unless they're really harmless looking, like an elderly bassett hound or something.
post #34 of 58
I used to baby sit a pit shep mix... lovely dog cept around cats...

ARLYN had it right think about the purpose of the dog...

My GSD growing up was a great dog but he didnt like men ( my father was to blame) and he would have attacked non family if not told not too////

My yorkie is by far the most dangerous dog I have owned ... all terrier and she can turn on a dime .... BUT I know this and take precautions...

In four yrs of working with animals I have been bit twice both were chiauwas (sp).. so much for dogs that look fierce
post #35 of 58
ANY dog could turn on you ANY dog, not just pit bulls!
I am just so sick of people thinking they "turn" on people which is not true at all! they are great with humans and are never supposed to be aggressive toward humans or shown any kind of aggression from humans, PERIOD! animal aggression is NOT the same as human aggression.
*sigh* I wish people would have to have a license to own pit bulls these days, because of their bad rap and how abused this breed is breaks my heart. I personally LOVE, LOVE the breed and hope to have one someday, rescued of course. here's some positive pit bull press that is true! :
http://pbrc.net/petbull/pospress.html and here's a site that does a lot for pit bulls and other bully breeds but mainly pit bulls. http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html

I just don't understand why people don't like pit bulls, sure it's not the breed for everyone, but it is for me and I will have one someday. I had a pit bull mix named Daisy when I was growing up and she was soo sweet and truly the best dog ever!
post #36 of 58
Again though, blame the hype on the media.
I'm not saying these dogs don't attack.

When I was growing up it was the GSDs all over the news as a 'dangerous breed' I was even mauled by one as a toddler.
In the 70s in was the Dobermans in the news as a 'dangerous breed'.
In the 80s and 90s is was the Rotties and Pitties.

The bite statistics, I seriously doubt ever changed, just the media focus.
The only dogs I am afraid of are highly intelligent, poorly socialised, and bored.
Regardless of breed.

The most dangerous dog I've ever owned was a St.Bernard, which I did give to a friend with a junkyard.
The most dangerous dog I've ever known was my aunt's Chihuahua because my cousins had tormented that dog his whole life.
post #37 of 58
Yeah and I bet some of these dogs that attacked weren't even pit bull type dogs! It could be another breed and I am not scared of any breed of dog at all. I was bit by a border collie and a rottweiler but I am not scared of those breeds honestly. I actually have a rottie/yellow lab mix and she's the best dog ever.
post #38 of 58
I don't think anything breed specific should be done.
What I would like to see is any dog considered big enough to be dangerous (regardless of how sweet the dog is), say anything 30 pounds and over, I'd love to see requirements for obedience training, but not just the dog, dog and owner(s).
Because I don't think it's the dogs that need to be taught nearly as much as I think that people need to be taught how to properly handle dogs.

Same for any dog that bites.
Get rid of the old 3 time bite laws most cities have.
If your dog bites once, no matter the breed/size, I think dog and owner should be required to attend obediance classes, both beginer and advanced, and the dog should be required to pass a temperment test.
Unless of course the bite was justified (IE: someone attacks you, or breaks into your home).
I think with those sorts of efforts, most dogs will not be repeat offenders.
post #39 of 58
Honestly, I have heard of more labs and dalmations biting and being agressive then pitbulls, but somehow pitbulls are the ones that end up on the news. The truth is they, just like any breed of dog, can and will be agressive, if treated improperly.
post #40 of 58
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Honestly, I have heard of more labs and dalmations biting and being agressive then pitbulls, but somehow pitbulls are the ones that end up on the news. The truth is they, just like any breed of dog, can and will be agressive, if treated improperly.
For anyone thats interested...I have a link that I can share with you, its a forum I am a member of and its all about pitties. They have a section thats all a bout the "press" its interesting to read.
post #41 of 58
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Honestly, I have heard of more labs and dalmations biting and being agressive then pitbulls, but somehow pitbulls are the ones that end up on the news. The truth is they, just like any breed of dog, can and will be agressive, if treated improperly.
I just love pit bulls and all dogs really.. and I agree, with you Arlyn. I will never, ever get people who want pit bulls banned or any other breed banned at all! I don't think there should be BSL at all, it sucks.
post #42 of 58
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Honestly, I have heard of more labs and dalmations biting and being agressive then pitbulls, but somehow pitbulls are the ones that end up on the news. The truth is they, just like any breed of dog, can and will be agressive, if treated improperly.
I routinely search the news for dog attacks, and it seems to be the severity of the damage that makes the story newsworthy. And it's the larger dogs that have inflicted severe damages to children that gets the press - I've seen all types of dogs reported. And, unfortunately, it seems to be the "pits", "rotties" and German Shepards that get the press Esp. distressing is reading about someone being attacked either in a public place or on their own property.
There are some breeds that are "sight hunters" that are more likely to attack out of their territory. And then, there are some dogs that seem to think that "everyplace" is THEIR territory
post #43 of 58
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
I routinely search the news for dog attacks, and it seems to be the severity of the damage that makes the story newsworthy. And it's the larger dogs that have inflicted severe damages to children that gets the press - I've seen all types of dogs reported. And, unfortunately, it seems to be the "pits", "rotties" and German Shepards that get the press Esp. distressing is reading about someone being attacked either in a public place or on their own property.
There are some breeds that are "sight hunters" that are more likely to attack out of their territory. And then, there are some dogs that seem to think that "everyplace" is THEIR territory
Yes! it's the attacks that result in fatalities or severe maulings that most often make the news. You don't see dog bites in the news, you see dog *attacks*
post #44 of 58
I dont understand why people single out pit bulls. Why should only pit bull owners be punished if they breed. Why just because someone is in a low income neighbor hood mentioned as bad dog owners. I know a ton of low income families who love there pets just as much as any others. I also know middle upper class that treat there dogs and cats like crap. Just because your poor doesnt meen you are not fit to have a pet nor does it meen you shouldnt have a pet. I dont really think it is great to breed any dogs a lot. It would proably be a good idea to make people have to get a license before breeding but to take someones loved pet away because they breed it. That is ridicules and it is even more ridicules if it was a law only for pitbull owners only. Most pit bulls I know are the sweetest dogs. I think they have a bad rep partly because you only hear the bad stories and there are more pit bulls in general which meens naturally people are going to here more about pits.
My pit is the best dog.
post #45 of 58
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
I routinely search the news for dog attacks, and it seems to be the severity of the damage that makes the story newsworthy. And it's the larger dogs that have inflicted severe damages to children that gets the press - I've seen all types of dogs reported. And, unfortunately, it seems to be the "pits", "rotties" and German Shepards that get the press Esp. distressing is reading about someone being attacked either in a public place or on their own property.
There are some breeds that are "sight hunters" that are more likely to attack out of their territory. And then, there are some dogs that seem to think that "everyplace" is THEIR territory
A huge part of the problem is that most people cannot correctly identify dog breeds. Show them a picture of some common breed and unless it looks like Lassie, Rin-Tin-Tin or something from a recent Disney movie they have no idea what breed it is.

So when a dog "bites" or "attacks" more often than not it automatically gets labeled a "pit bull" whether it is or not. Cops are no better at IDing breeds than the general public. If it is a community with Animal Control officers then there is a chance that the report will be accurate.

The other issue is what consitutes an "attack". As several posters have pointed out, you should not leave infants or toddlers alone with adult dogs. Ever. it is not a matter of aggression, it is prey drive. The dog does not see the child as a human. To the dog (terrier breed, bred to go after varmints) the infant is more like a huge rat. And when I read reports of how little kids are out wandering in the woods and come upon a pit bull mom and her pups and decide it would be fun to "pet the puppies" and get mauled by the mother, I don't think it is right to label that a "pit bull attack". I also wonder why the parents are never to blame for incidents like that.

So bottom line, I do NOT trust news reports for any kind of statistical basis.
post #46 of 58
Welcome to my world you should really try working at an animal shelter- it's a nightmare what people do to pits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to deal with it on a daily basis. My job really can make you hate some people They are such good dogs too- even some of the "bite dogs" we've had in that were pits were soooo sweet once they saw we weren't going to beat them or starve them or cut their ears off with dirty scissors!!!!!! I could go on. They are the most appreciative dogs too- all it takes is a warm blanket and food in their bellies to make them feel safe and earn your trust. I HATE how cruel people can be. Pit bulls are GREAT dogs and deserve GREAT homes! Another thing that REALLY pushes my buttons are those idiots who claim "oh, i don't want a pit bull because it will attack the baby" or "those dogs jaw's lock when they bite!!!" - complete bs! Also- it is physically impossible for their jaws to lock like that!!!!!! They are a more muscular breed and have more muscular jaws- so of course they're stronger- but there is no way they can lock them- they are just like every other dog! People who mistreat pits REALLY irk me and my coworkers! We are currently filing a HUGE suite against some hideous woman who had 4 pits - two adults and two puppies. When we resuced the puppies they had MASSIVE rusted chains rapped all around them with weights all over them- they couldn't move and were 1/2 dead and sick. The adult male's ears had clearly been mutilated by someone who tried to "crop" them with a pair of household scissors and the adult female was soooooo severly starved you could see all of her bones- she also had weights wrapped around her and had gashes all over her where other dogs had attacked her. They were all in bad shape My coworkers and i worked night and day to try and take good care of them- those dogs wound up being sooo sweet once they were shown that not all humans were bad. .....they were really appreciative too. And onto yet ANOTHER problem with these henious people- they do not spay/neuter or properly vaccinate their animals so they often times have a plethera of illnesses! When those dogs were brought into our shelter, they were tested/vaccinated and testsed negative (but unfortunately it was a false negative, signs showed up a few days later) and gave our ENTIRE dog kennel PARVO! We had to euthanize all of those poor pits because they had it as well as numerous puppies and other dogs- we tried to treat them all but it was just too quick and advancing too fast. I could go on and on about how much i've seen with pits. it's soo sad. They are such good dogs to. At our shelter right now we have ton of pit bulls - each with their own little story to tell...many sad. We are doing everything we can for them to save them and try to get them into good forever homes. They deserve only the best! There is a pit at our shelter right now, Jimbo, he's gorgeous- he's brindle....we're considering adopting him and bringing him home as well. And for the record- ALL of our dogs are large breed "more high risk" ones- heck, we even have a 12 year old WOLF mix, Ginger- she has NEVER hurt so much as a fly! People who hurt large breeds and give them a bad name make me want to punch the daylights out of them!
post #47 of 58
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Originally Posted by Kellyyfaber View Post
because a poodle or chihuahua really isn't a physical threat. They don't really make me fear for my life. They can't really KILL you. I mean if I was viciously attacked by one, I could just toss the dern thing across the yard...Yeah, they can inflict a severe bite, but they're not really gonna maul a child to death before an adult can intervene. It's a good thing, too...small dogs are the most vicious ones most of the time.
Really?? I have had both- small and large breed dogs. The ONLY dogs that ever bit me were the small ones- one was a poodle, jacque, and one was a chichauah, rascael. The poodle bit my mom soo badly that he went through part of her achilles tendon. He also bit my hand bad enough to make me go to the ER to get stitches. The Chichuah went after my baby niece-even though we were sitting right there with her- it was completly unprovoked! had we not got to him in time he could have killed her. Small dogs in my opinion are just as much of a threat as large breed. That being said i do not hate small dogs even though i've had bad experiences with them. It depends on the individual dog and their temperment as well as their environment and how they're rasied that determines their aggression issues. There are many good small dogs out there as there are large ones. Our poodle was hand raised by us from a pup- he was never abused/mis treated and only loved/treated well.....he was just downright mean though- when he sent me to the ER that was the last straw..we tried to rehome him, but at his age and with his attitude it was impossible, we had to put him down. / The chichuah we adopted, we got as an adult, his tempterment was every bit as bad as the poodles was- however, we were able to successfully rehome him after he tried to bite my niece. Small dogs can do significant damage and kill just like larger ones can. You normally just hear about the large breeds more because the news stations often get a better story out of them unfortunately. It's sad. We recently had a pappion in our shelter surrendered by the owners because it mauled their little girls face- unprovoked! she will have to undergo many plastic surgeries as a result. The dog went after all the staff as well trying to snip and bite at us. Yet none of our larger dogs were even remotely that aggressive/violent.
post #48 of 58
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
Really?? I have had both- small and large breed dogs. The ONLY dogs that ever bit me were the small ones- one was a poodle, jacque, and one was a chichauah, rascael. The poodle bit my mom soo badly that he went through part of her achilles tendon. He also bit my hand bad enough to make me go to the ER to get stitches. The Chichuah went after my baby niece-even though we were sitting right there with her- it was completly unprovoked! had we not got to him in time he could have killed her. Small dogs in my opinion are just as much of a threat as large breed. That being said i do not hate small dogs even though i've had bad experiences with them. It depends on the individual dog and their temperment as well as their environment and how they're rasied that determines their aggression issues. There are many good small dogs out there as there are large ones. Our poodle was hand raised by us from a pup- he was never abused/mis treated and only loved/treated well.....he was just downright mean though- when he sent me to the ER that was the last straw..we tried to rehome him, but at his age and with his attitude it was impossible, we had to put him down. / The chichuah we adopted, we got as an adult, his tempterment was every bit as bad as the poodles was- however, we were able to successfully rehome him after he tried to bite my niece. Small dogs can do significant damage and kill just like larger ones can. You normally just hear about the large breeds more because the news stations often get a better story out of them unfortunately. It's sad. We recently had a pappion in our shelter surrendered by the owners because it mauled their little girls face- unprovoked! she will have to undergo many plastic surgeries as a result. The dog went after all the staff as well trying to snip and bite at us. Yet none of our larger dogs were even remotely that aggressive/violent.
...just saying that a 20 lb dog really isn't as much of a physical threat as say a 100lb dog that's all. By physical threat I don't mean a bite I mean life threatening attack. I'm not saying that a little dog cannot inflict damage or is unlikely to or that they can't inflict life threatening damage to a child. I've had my fair share of ankle bites from the small ones
post #49 of 58
ANY breed of dogs can hurt people, ANY breed of dog can kill someone.

Just because a chihuahua is small doens't make it any less of a threat than a larger dog.

Breed Discrimination sucks, and IMO is the same as Racism, which is WRONG.
post #50 of 58
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Originally Posted by Leto86 View Post
ANY breed of dogs can hurt people, ANY breed of dog can kill someone.

Just because a chihuahua is small doens't make it any less of a threat than a larger dog.

Breed Discrimination sucks, and IMO is the same as Racism, which is WRONG.
no kidding! It DOES suck and I think it is the same as racism as well.

Nikki,

bless you and your co workers trying to help those poor babies. It just boggles my mind that anyone can hurt this breed or any breed. they are the most abused breed IMO. I love them and hope to have one someday rescued of course. they are truly one of the best breeds out there IMO and need to fall in the right hands.
post #51 of 58
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Originally Posted by Leto86 View Post
ANY breed of dogs can hurt people, ANY breed of dog can kill someone.

Just because a chihuahua is small doens't make it any less of a threat than a larger dog.

Breed Discrimination sucks, and IMO is the same as Racism, which is WRONG.
Very well spoken!
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by Miagi's_Mommy View Post
bless you and your co workers trying to help those poor babies. It just boggles my mind that anyone can hurt this breed or any breed. they are the most abused breed IMO. I love them and hope to have one someday rescued of course. they are truly one of the best breeds out there IMO and need to fall in the right hands.
Thanks Krista There is actually a beautifully adult male pit at our shelter right now named, Jimbo. He's brindle- absolutely gorgeous! WE think he was severly abused before he came to us- he's very very skiddish and submissive- but has really grown to trust/love me. I spoil him rotten each chance i get (hehe and all the other furbabies- my coworkers and i all give out lots of treats/attention!) he has really touched my heart- to the point that i am trying to figure out a way to talk colin into letting me adopt him He is not food or dog aggressive, he's VERY good natured and i will see tonight how he does with kitties. I think he would be an excellent match for our family. So if he doesnt find a home (i'll give it another week or so) i really want to adopt him and give him a good home with us. Poor Colin!although, i REALLY think he'll like him! I'm going to have him stop up by the shelter while he's on duty some time this week to see him and see what he thinks and how those two get along. Jimbo seems to be comming down with an upper respiratory issue so i might see if i can get him out of the shelter and foster him for a while to get him back to health (seperated from my animals of couse to avoid the risk of spreading anything) but i really would like to adopt him. We'll see.
post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
Thanks Krista There is actually a beautifully adult male pit at our shelter right now named, Jimbo. He's brindle- absolutely gorgeous! WE think he was severly abused before he came to us- he's very very skiddish and submissive- but has really grown to trust/love me. I spoil him rotten each chance i get (hehe and all the other furbabies- my coworkers and i all give out lots of treats/attention!) he has really touched my heart- to the point that i am trying to figure out a way to talk colin into letting me adopt him He is not food or dog aggressive, he's VERY good natured and i will see tonight how he does with kitties. I think he would be an excellent match for our family. So if he doesnt find a home (i'll give it another week or so) i really want to adopt him and give him a good home with us. Poor Colin!although, i REALLY think he'll like him! I'm going to have him stop up by the shelter while he's on duty some time this week to see him and see what he thinks and how those two get along. Jimbo seems to be comming down with an upper respiratory issue so i might see if i can get him out of the shelter and foster him for a while to get him back to health (seperated from my animals of couse to avoid the risk of spreading anything) but i really would like to adopt him. We'll see.
you're welcome! I know I saw animals on your website but post his picture. I really want to adopt Rose at the shelter where I volunteer, she's a pit bull terrier mix. I spoil her (and the other dogs of course ) so much and everytime she sees me and pops up in the kennel (we have her in the biggest kennel) and wags her tail waiting for me to take her outside. she is such a wonderful dog. Please keep me posted. here's Rose's page on pbrc. she knows she's "my" girl!
http://pbrc.net/webapp/cgi-bin/dog_d...279d4f?id=3925 she's such a sweetie
post #54 of 58
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Originally Posted by Miagi's_Mommy View Post
you're welcome! I know I saw animals on your website but post his picture. I really want to adopt Rose at the shelter where I volunteer, she's a pit bull terrier mix. I spoil her (and the other dogs of course ) so much and everytime she sees me and pops up in the kennel (we have her in the biggest kennel) and wags her tail waiting for me to take her outside. she is such a wonderful dog. Please keep me posted. here's Rose's page on pbrc. she knows she's "my" girl!
http://pbrc.net/webapp/cgi-bin/dog_d...279d4f?id=3925 she's such a sweetie
Jimbo's picture is not posted on the site, that's why you didn't see it There was some issues with people comming up to the shelter "claiming" that he was theirs- when stuff like that happens we don't post their pictures for a while till the air clears- we think they just thought they could walk through the door and take a pit bull home to make it a fighter they made them leave! i put my name on his card so i'll look into adopting him if he doesn't find a great forever home in the next week or two- i at least want to give him some time to find a home, if he doesn't though i'm REALLY hoping colin will let me get him. but i'm not sure since he just let me adopt kojak and since i'm moving my kitties in soon. we'll see. if you look at Sissy though- Jimbo looks a LOT like she does- same brindle color only he doesn't have a white spot on him- he's full blooded american pit bull terrier and he's larger- more muscular. he's just stunning!!! By the way, so is Rose's picture!

(this is sissy's picture for reference- she's actually in the same cage with chrissy- both are total sweethearts!)
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/...?petid=8211943

haha i would love to bring them all home!!!
post #55 of 58
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
It depends on the individual dog and their temperment as well as their environment and how they're rasied that determines their aggression issues.
Actually that sort of depends, in some dogs such as pitbulls, dog aggression is normal. It's like herding dogs having the strong urge to chase or 'herd' stuff.

If you get that male, Jimbo, you may want to consider getting a large crate and work on crate training him. He might be a real sweety but it's best to have him crated when you're gone, all it would take is another dog or cat attacking him. Aside from that it can be his safe spot.
I would never have another pit without having it crate trained, or any dog really. Growing up with pits did teach me how fast they can destroy furniture, even as puppies.

I can't remember if I mentioned it in this thread already or in another one, heck maybe even another forum, but I really believe BYBs should be punished. No matter what the breed, cat or dog. Respectable and responsible breeders already register and properly vet their animals, any regulations requiring that for breeding wouldn't touch them.

Maybe less people would let their cats and dogs pop out litter after litter if they knew they could be turned in for it and fined. Of course there would need to be better animal protection laws in place already for something like that to even work.
A lot of breeds really are being ruined by BYBs, temperament, genetic problems, and poor choice of animals used.
I was horrified last Easter when driving through the town my father lives in. I looked out car window and saw two pits hooked up together near a trailer. Both dogs were pure white, no telling how many genetic problems that's going to cause in the puppies... and the worst part of it, both dogs were extremely thin! You could see their spines. When I see cruelty like that it really makes me want to drag the irresponsible people out and leave them chained up outside with no food or shelter.

Actually, I'm going to add to the breeding bit some...
Another thing that really annoys me is people, sometimes teens (read, no financial support on their own) who want to breed reptiles. They have no concept of what they're going to do with all the eggs or after they hatch. Worse if they're trying to breed under age or females that aren't even up to proper weight. There are enough of these animals (especially leopard geckos) dying in pet stores. The world does not need more irresponsible breeders of any kind.
post #56 of 58
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Originally Posted by Leto86 View Post
ANY breed of dogs can hurt people, ANY breed of dog can kill someone.

Just because a chihuahua is small doens't make it any less of a threat than a larger dog.
Honestly, though unless I'm severely physically disabled..a poodle or a chihuahua is not going to be able to maul me to death...I have a hard time imagining a chihuahua dragging me down and overwhelming me... that's just not gonna happen. Not to say they aren't as likely or less likely to attack as any other dog (that includes breed, size, age, sex,etc, etc) ...They may TRY and I may get my ankles chewed and other bites, but I would have no problem fending a dog that size off.
Now a dog the size of a german shepherd or labrador, yeah they could inflict a lot of injury to me

I can imagine a dog the size of a poodle or chihuahua being able to kill some people (small children, very elderly, etc)
post #57 of 58
Like I've always said, there's going to come a time when the only breed of ANY species I'd like to see banned is HUMAN...because we're the ones screwing up big time by our animal friends.

Pits are not bad dogs. Rotts are not bad dogs. GSD's aren't bad dogs. Chi's aren't bad dogs. Poodles aren't bad dogs. Cockers aren't bad dogs.

There are NO bad dogs, just BAD PEOPLE...IGNORANT PEOPLE, who really don't deserve the priviledge or honor of "caring" for a pet. And so many "owners" do not CARE. And while some do care, they often don't care ENOUGH to do what is right by their chosen breed, nor do they take the time to properly invest in the commitment, hard work, and overall labor of love it takes to raise a HAPPY, well-adjusted, well-socialized, good-mannered dog, that trusts, and gives back to their humans in positive ways.

These people need to be banned. And then, perhaps the rest of us can focus on how wonderful and rewarding it is to be loved by our dogs, no matter what their breed or size.
post #58 of 58
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
I routinely search the news for dog attacks, and it seems to be the severity of the damage that makes the story newsworthy. And it's the larger dogs that have inflicted severe damages to children that gets the press - I've seen all types of dogs reported. And, unfortunately, it seems to be the "pits", "rotties" and German Shepards that get the press Esp. distressing is reading about someone being attacked either in a public place or on their own property.
There are some breeds that are "sight hunters" that are more likely to attack out of their territory. And then, there are some dogs that seem to think that "everyplace" is THEIR territory
You cannot trust the media though alot of times they lie just to get peoples attention. I mean if you see the news say a dog bite/ attack you might look if you see a story stating pit bull attack you look. I have seen cases where dogs who didn't even look like pits were classified as just that because I am sorry but hype sells. And I saw one case where this kid wandered from the neighbors house to the dog next door. A dog who was chained when going out to the bathroom and the kid got attacked and all over the news they said pit bull attack and then when they showed the dog it was a big scruffy mutt. And honestly it was not the dogs fault it was the parents a five year old child should NEVER be outside alone. But the dog owners were blamed even though their dog was in their yard and was restrained. I have a firm belief that if you are on someone elses property uninvited and you get bit its your fault. Granted the child did not know better but the parent should have been watching him. Whats sad is the child was hurt and the dog was blamed and they called the dog a pit bull when it was obvious it wasn't. And when people called the news station to correct them they basically were told that the story sold and it was too late.

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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
A huge part of the problem is that most people cannot correctly identify dog breeds. Show them a picture of some common breed and unless it looks like Lassie, Rin-Tin-Tin or something from a recent Disney movie they have no idea what breed it is.

So when a dog "bites" or "attacks" more often than not it automatically gets labeled a "pit bull" whether it is or not. Cops are no better at IDing breeds than the general public. If it is a community with Animal Control officers then there is a chance that the report will be accurate.

The other issue is what consitutes an "attack". As several posters have pointed out, you should not leave infants or toddlers alone with adult dogs. Ever. it is not a matter of aggression, it is prey drive. The dog does not see the child as a human. To the dog (terrier breed, bred to go after varmints) the infant is more like a huge rat. And when I read reports of how little kids are out wandering in the woods and come upon a pit bull mom and her pups and decide it would be fun to "pet the puppies" and get mauled by the mother, I don't think it is right to label that a "pit bull attack". I also wonder why the parents are never to blame for incidents like that.

So bottom line, I do NOT trust news reports for any kind of statistical basis.
I could not have said it better. I have had dogs since I was born and non of my dogs have ever been people aggressive. But when I had my pit I was always afraid someone would see her and cause trouble for me by way of telling people I had a pit because my neighbor told everyone that my dog was vicious and some idiots in the nearby area was stealing peoples dogs. And they found out later that it was for fighting. My dog could not have been sweeter but alot of times if they can't make a dog fight it becomes bait dogs. A good number of stolen pits become just that and yet we are afraid of the dogs when really they should be afraid of people. Whole lot easier to rehabilitate a dog who is aggressive than it is to rehabilitate an aggressive person so maybe they should ban us.
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