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post #31 of 49
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Originally Posted by Sandtigress View Post
Life begins at the moment of conception. At that very moment, this little one is begining to grow and divide. Non-living things just don't do that.

At the very instant of conception, a little being is created that has all the genetic material it will ever need in order to live the rest of its life. Its totally unique from any other creature on the Earth (provided it is not a twin).

And yes, I do believe its somewhere around 8-10 weeks that a baby not only looks like a baby, but has a beating heart.
I agree. And the baby's heart begins beating at week 5!
post #32 of 49
I'm a firm believer that life begins when you're born.

When babies are born, you get a birth certificate. The date on that certificate is not your date of conception, but rather the day you were born. We use that date to confer rights; when you get your driver's license, when you can vote, when you can be drafted, when you go to school, when you can marry, when you can get discounted movie tickets, etc.

We say things like "since the day I was born" and when we talk about babies, we talk about "one on the way". When we send out birth announcements, they talk of a "new life entering the world". We celebrate birthdays, not the day our parents got it on in the backseat of their car. Our tombstones have our birthdate followed by our death date. The word birth by definition means the beginning of life.

An 8 week old fetus would never be able to survive on it's own. If you cannot breath or sustain your mother's heartbeat, you're not alive.

And plus, if life were to begin at conception, then the mortality rate is awfully high. A huge number of "pregnancies" are terminated spontaneously, in that case, because fertilized eggs simply fail to implant or stay implanted. This has probably happened to many of us here who have unprotedted sex and we are none the wiser, because it all ends in a normal period. In this case, if you happen to be a theist of some sort, God would be the most prolific abortionist of them all. When women mestruate, we don't hold a funeral. Similarly, we don't hold funerals when there is a miscarriage...despite the great deal of emotional pain they cause families. Furthermore, a stillborn, despite being an awful and agonizing situation to face, is just that...but medically, we don't call it "the death of a 9 month old baby".

Also, cancer is a bunch of cells dividing at a rapid rate. Is cancer alive? An unborn fetus has about the same medical/biological (notice that I'm not saying cultural or familial/emotiional!) status as the mother's other organs. Until it's born, it's a part of HER body. A fetus is simply unique in that it has the potential to be autonomous outside the mother's body after an incubation period. One person eats, one person sleeps, etc. A pregnant woman is one person.
post #33 of 49
Hmm this is a tough one.

I believe that `life' in one sense begins at conception - because it is a merging and a meeting of cells to create something entirely new, and this only happens in this way in order to create a life.

But this is life at a cellular level, and I don't believe that this is or can be thought to be the same thing as life that is recognisably human, which I believe starts when there is a heartbeat.

Another level of life begins at consciousness - when a foetus/baby is consciously aware of it's surroundings.

And viable life is a different thing again. When a foetus is capable of surviving on it's own outside the womb, then I feel that it is viable life. Otherwise, it's not fully human yet - if it can't survive on its own, it's obviously not developed enough, not `finished' enough, to be called life.

So, technically, on a cellular level, life begins at conception. But on a human level, life begins when survival on your own is achievable.

But that's just what I think!
post #34 of 49
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Originally Posted by LSULOVER View Post
This is one of the best post I have read, and I do agree with you about your plan b too.

I have always believe that life begins at conception.
Thankyou, i appreciate that
post #35 of 49
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Originally Posted by Ping View Post
IMO when the heart forms and begins beating. I am a little foggy on the dates but I think 8 wks is when the heartbeat can be seen and heard.

About day 26 is when the heart beats( not sure when it can be seen and heard) or about 9 days after the first missed period.. I think a heartbeat shows life... IMHO ... differentiating life from a mass of cell s replicating ( ie cancer )

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/PR/00112.html

nice week by week
post #36 of 49
Hey- I put down some bread yesterday and today it is mouldy, I think people should stop eating bread as this is a definate sign of life :

In terms of human beings I would say that life begins once a baby can survive outside the womb without the help of medical assistance. I'm against late-term abortions but considering that in the US some women have to go out of state for an abortion and find the money for this due to the influence of 'pro-life' supporters in mainstream American politics I do wonder if I'm right on this.
post #37 of 49
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Originally Posted by Ping View Post
Ok curiosity gets me here reading this comment. Abortion has already been brought up so I don't think I am going to far off topic here...For those that believe life begins when the baby takes its first breath outside the womb than do you agree with late term abortions? And in late term I mean anywhere between 2-3 trimester. I mean if the "fetus" doesn't take a breathe its not life yet so is late term abortions something you agree with?

**you in here is a general you..
No only if the mother's life is in danger and those cases are very very rare. In the case of third trimester abortions, I believe that other alternatives should be sought.
post #38 of 49
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Hmm this is a tough one.

I believe that `life' in one sense begins at conception - because it is a merging and a meeting of cells to create something entirely new, and this only happens in this way in order to create a life.

But this is life at a cellular level, and I don't believe that this is or can be thought to be the same thing as life that is recognisably human, which I believe starts when there is a heartbeat.

Another level of life begins at consciousness - when a foetus/baby is consciously aware of it's surroundings.

And viable life is a different thing again. When a foetus is capable of surviving on it's own outside the womb, then I feel that it is viable life. Otherwise, it's not fully human yet - if it can't survive on its own, it's obviously not developed enough, not `finished' enough, to be called life.

So, technically, on a cellular level, life begins at conception. But on a human level, life begins when survival on your own is achievable.

But that's just what I think!
You have summed up my thinking exactly! Thank you for articulating it so well.
post #39 of 49
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Hmm this is a tough one.

I believe that `life' in one sense begins at conception - because it is a merging and a meeting of cells to create something entirely new, and this only happens in this way in order to create a life.

But this is life at a cellular level, and I don't believe that this is or can be thought to be the same thing as life that is recognisably human, which I believe starts when there is a heartbeat.

Another level of life begins at consciousness - when a foetus/baby is consciously aware of it's surroundings.

And viable life is a different thing again. When a foetus is capable of surviving on it's own outside the womb, then I feel that it is viable life. Otherwise, it's not fully human yet - if it can't survive on its own, it's obviously not developed enough, not `finished' enough, to be called life.

So, technically, on a cellular level, life begins at conception. But on a human level, life begins when survival on your own is achievable.

But that's just what I think!
you articulated this a lot better than I did, Sarah!
post #40 of 49
To me, life begins to form from conception. As soon is there is a growing life within a person is when I consider life to start.

I am strictly pro-life, but I do not believe that everyone has to follow what I believe.

My biggest issue is when the person having an abortion does not do it will all the information or uses abortion like a birthcontrol pill.

I also do not take or use birth control for my own personal beliefs.
post #41 of 49
Technically----when those first cells begin reproducing after conception, that is the beginning of new life. Life is life, no matter how one judges its quality.
post #42 of 49
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
I believe that live begins at conception - the moment when the egg and sperm meet. Since i believe live begins at that moment of conception- i view abortion and things such as plan b and the morning after pill to be murder because it is ending a life.
i agree with you 100% it has nothing to do with my religion, or my medical training it is just the way i feel. i have had a miscarriage and i mourned just as much for that lost baby as i would have for one of my other kids because to me that baby was alive.
post #43 of 49
We issue a death certificate for any baby that dies near the point of viability- it's state law. Typically this is at 20 weeks, we have babies in our NICU as young as 24 weeks gestation. It is quite common practice to hold funerals and burial services for still born babies- they do indeed get birth and death certificates. Miscarried babies are a different story- they do not get a death or birth certificate, but local funeral homes here provide free graveside services and most local cemetaries provide a free burial space. I've always been of the opinion that life starts at the moment of implantation, even when I was super duper pro-choice and even now that I'm a bit more conservative.
post #44 of 49
Common sense tells me "life" begins at Conception. It may not be what we Yet call human life, but it is life, and it's on it's way into forming into a human being. If you're going to consider life in it's most basic form, then that little thing is alive, and is changing very fast.

We consider trees and plants to be alive, and they don't have a heart beat, we assume they have some basic awareness of what goes on around them, but we do consider them life, so why wouldn't a fetus in it's earliest stage, be a living being? Why would a human fetus only become alive once it has a heart?

Bacteria are alive and they grow, we all know bacteria are living things, and they have to be "killed" in order to stop them from reproducing. You can't kill something that isn't alive.

A fetus is alive the moment of conception, and to say it isn't, just does not make sense. It doesn't have to have a soul or a heartbeat to be alive, but at that moment "life" was created.

To say that life ONLY begins at birth doesn't make sense, either. The fetus that eventually turns into a human form while in the womb, is active, and it kicks, it takes nourishment from it's mother and continue's to grow. It is aware of what is going on inside the womb as well of what is going on outside the womb. It may not get it's soul until birth, but that doesn't mean it's not a living creature.

If anything, it first becomes an 'INDEPENDENT" life after Birth, because it no longer depends on the mother for everything, but it has been life ALL along.
post #45 of 49
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Originally Posted by JulieKit View Post
Ive actually been thinking about this since reading another abortion debate. This isnt for anyone to get angry, I just want to know everyones opinion on when THEY believe life begins.
I don't have the first clue
post #46 of 49
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
Common sense tells me "life" begins at Conception. It may not be what we Yet call human life, but it is life, and it's on it's way into forming into a human being. If you're going to consider life in it's most basic form, then that little thing is alive, and is changing very fast.
To add to Hope's comment, I think we can definately say that it is a human being as well - I mean, we all know that when mommy and daddy humans make babies - the result will be a human baby, not a kitten (at least not biological reproduction ). The argument for when personhood begins is, I think, what many are discussing here, as opposed to when life in and of itself starts.
post #47 of 49
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Originally Posted by Sandtigress View Post
A question for those who don't believe that life starts at conception (honest question, not trying to bait here):

If its not a living thing at conception but becomes "alive" later on, what is it before that? Its not normal for non-living things to suddenly become alive, is it?
Of course it is "alive" at conception, but then so is a tumor. In the early weeks of conception I think the embryo can be compared to a tumor. Both are living off the host and neither can survive outside the host body. I think somewhere around the 6 to 8th week the nervous system develops to the point of being responsive and able to feel pain.

In a perfect world all babies would be wanted, and abortion wouldn't exist. However, I would not vote to outlaw abortion, but I would like to limit it to within the first 8 weeks of conception. If not done then, than consider adoption if you don't want the child, but please don't murder it.
post #48 of 49
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Of course it is "alive" at conception, but then so is a tumor. In the early weeks of conception I think the embryo can be compared to a tumor. Both are living off the host and neither can survive outside the host body. I think somewhere around the 6 to 8th week the nervous system develops to the point of being responsive and able to feel pain.

In a perfect world all babies would be wanted, and abortion wouldn't exist. However, I would not vote to outlaw abortion, but I would like to limit it to within the first 8 weeks of conception. If not done then, than consider adoption if you don't want the child, but please don't murder it.
The difference between a child and a tumor is that the child is a unique combination of DNA that is constantly changing and is a seperate human being. A tumor will not start crying in 9 months.
post #49 of 49
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Hmm this is a tough one.

I believe that `life' in one sense begins at conception - because it is a merging and a meeting of cells to create something entirely new, and this only happens in this way in order to create a life.

But this is life at a cellular level, and I don't believe that this is or can be thought to be the same thing as life that is recognisably human, which I believe starts when there is a heartbeat.

Another level of life begins at consciousness - when a foetus/baby is consciously aware of it's surroundings.

And viable life is a different thing again. When a foetus is capable of surviving on it's own outside the womb, then I feel that it is viable life. Otherwise, it's not fully human yet - if it can't survive on its own, it's obviously not developed enough, not `finished' enough, to be called life.

So, technically, on a cellular level, life begins at conception. But on a human level, life begins when survival on your own is achievable.

But that's just what I think!
Very, very eloquently-put! Couldn't agree more!
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