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post #31 of 41
I think the toygers are beautiful but I really love my Persians and the exotics better.
post #32 of 41
Out of curiosity, question to you breeders and genetics experts.

As of this time there aren't any toygers that match the standards. What part of the standards is going to be the hardest to 'get to'.
post #33 of 41
I'm guessing the color and striping to match the real tiger. And maybe the really round ears - almost all domestic cats have pointed ears. Persians tend to have more short round ears; especially if they pluck the hair on the tips. But if the Toyers are not adding in another wild cat with round ears, that might be hard to achieve.
post #34 of 41
It is the 10 years of working to develop the breed that bothers me - how many pet quality kittens is that going to produce in a world that already has too many cats needing a good home? And do we really need another wild looking breed? Are these going to have similar issues to the Bengal, where people want them cos of their looks, but then can't keep up with the energy levels so place them in a rescue?
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by booktigger View Post
It is the 10 years of working to develop the breed that bothers me - how many pet quality kittens is that going to produce in a world that already has too many cats needing a good home? And do we really need another wild looking breed? Are these going to have similar issues to the Bengal, where people want them cos of their looks, but then can't keep up with the energy levels so place them in a rescue?
There's a thread in IMO to debate the Toyger, if you're interested. Might be a better place to express your viewpoint?

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=116680
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
I'm guessing the color and striping to match the real tiger. And maybe the really round ears - almost all domestic cats have pointed ears. Persians tend to have more short round ears; especially if they pluck the hair on the tips. But if the Toyers are not adding in another wild cat with round ears, that might be hard to achieve.
Well the ALC, which has small rounded ears is the wild cat that's part of the gene pool for the Toyger, by way of the Bengal. The problem is, that even with bengals we have a tough time locking in the genes that produce the tiny rounded ears. It's very difficult to achieve with any predictablity.

I think the ears and head structure is going to be very hard to achieve, along with the color.
post #37 of 41
I know they are using Bengals and in turn have the ALC in there, but wouldn't they have to be going back to the ALC, which in turn means you have to have F4 or over to show? In a way you are diluting the wild gene so it would be difficult to set type on those ears.

Cool, I must be learning something if Nial agrees on color and head/ears
post #38 of 41
From what I can see, even the ALC doesn't have ears that are as small in porportion to the face and even close to as rounded as a Tigers ears. And even though I don't know the right terminology to use for head shapes, the real tiger has a really broad head. I've seen some pictures of ALC's that really don't look all that different from from a domestic cat, except for the HUGE, nocturnal eyes, and Tigers don't have those kind of eyes, so it probably will be extremely difficult to get a cat with really rounded ears, and have it not looking more like an ALC with stripes than a Tiger.
post #39 of 41
Looks like some Bengal Breeders our there are jumping on the band wagon and looking into breeding some of the furthest-along toygers with their bengals...



this beauty has been added to a hobbyist cattery that was previously doing only bengals (I think).
post #40 of 41
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Keep in mind the white tigers have chocolate/brown stripes - not black. I think it would be difficult enough getting the orange color - which is not the same color as red tabbys
Actually, snow bengals DO have that coloration to them. Nials Arctic Cowboy, for example. Also, here are some other snow bengals:

http://www.bengal-cat.net/SNOW%20BENGAL.htm
(Ares and Dreamers mom, Blithe, is on that link )

I would imagine that once they have the type set for the toyger, they'll move on to adding the snow series. Won't be too difficult as they already have the years of work in the bengal breed to draw from.
post #41 of 41
wow amazing, neither had i!!!
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