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Originally Posted by fuzzmom

... I have found 3 other MA breeders but one of them is raising a red flag to me.

"...but we no long want to be involved with the modern type or the association." (meaning the CFA)

"But something drew us to the TRUTH! The Traditional Siamese and the Classic Siamese are the ORIGINAL Siamese. Because of our integrity, we can no longer breed modern wedge Siamese. We honestly and in good conscience, canâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t breed the modern wedge Siamese any longer. We believe it is dangerous to the Siamese breed!"

What is meant by dangerous to the breed? I know nothing about genetics, so maybe there is truth in this? Opinions?
Your "gut feelings" on the one that concerns you are right with this one.

Let me begin by saying there is absolutely NO truth in the comment that Modern Siamese are "dangerous" to the breed. There are a few health issues in the Modern Siamese which do not occur ~as often~ in the Old-Style Siamese, but ALL Siamese are prone to a handful of genetic issues that can cause problems in both the Modern and the Old-Style cats. It is the responsible breeder who can recognize these things if they appear in her cats and discontinue breeding them so that they are no longer allowed to occur in the genepool.

Secondly, her choice of registry association is not in keeping with the goals of serious preservation of the Old-Style Siamese. The association she uses is not among those considered to be "mainstream" and as such, no other reputable association will accept their pedigrees. While I most certainly can and even do understand her frustration with CFA, the sad fact is that they are one of the most popular registry associations with the largest number of registered pedigrees in the world today. There is a reason she is angry with them and my guess is that they won't allow her cats to be registered with them ... one has to wonder why if this is the case. CFA is somewhat purist in their attitudes, to be sure ... but they are that way for a good reason IMO.

You are wise to be doing your homework before selecting which breeder and consequently, which kittens are right for you. You are making a committment to care for this kitten over it's entire lifetime, come whatever may and when you choose a kitten from a reputable breeder, you have certain assurances that you may not have when you purchase a kitten from someone who cuts corners or doesn't have the best interest of the breed at heart.
 

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I have a question. Which registry is more supportive of the Traditional Siamese, CFA or TICA? I guess this would be based upon opinion, but I've wanted to ask for some time.
 

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

CFA certainly is NOT...lol

They don't accept the Bengals. And only recently did they accept the Ragdolls!
Interesting. Traditional Siamese and Bengals-my 2 favorite breeds. Thanks for your reply.
 

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Actually neither of the two you mentioned are at all supportive of the Old-Style Siamese. Out of the accepted registries, my answer to your question would be the Cat Fancier's Federation, whose breed standard for Siamese is more forgiving if the cat isn't extremely modern in body style.
 

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Originally Posted by gayef

Actually neither of the two you mentioned are at all supportive of the Old-Style Siamese. Out of the accepted registries, my answer to your question would be the Cat Fancier's Federation, whose breed standard for Siamese is more forgiving if the cat isn't extremely modern in body style.
I've never heard of them. I'll have to learn more about them. Thanks for your reply.

Oh. I've heard of them. I recognize CFF.
 

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Of course CFF is pretty much restricted to the NE section of the US - I don't remember any shows past New York - mainly in the states like MA, RI, NJ areas.
 

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Of course CFF is pretty much restricted to the NE section of the US - I don't remember any shows past New York - mainly in the states like MA, RI, NJ areas.
Yes, this is true, it is a very small association limited to the Northeastern US, but if I have my way about it, they are getting ready to see a whole great big poo-pot full of new members *grin*
 

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So then the CFF isn't intentionally regional? Would they be willing to expand if people desired to join from other States?

I'm sorry. I just realized this thread has been taken somewhere totally different then where it started.
 

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I don't know - they were still in the NE area 30 yrs ago. I remember hearing about CFF when first showing cats! I don't think they want to expand - have no clue why - just that they didn't have a lot of interested people to start up clubs and get more people in the judging program.

Judges are taken from dedicated breeders that want to go the next step and be a judge to evaluate all breeds
 

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

I don't know - they were still in the NE area 30 yrs ago. I remember hearing about CFF when first showing cats! I don't think they want to expand - have no clue why - just that they didn't have a lot of interested people to start up clubs and get more people in the judging program.

Judges are taken from dedicated breeders that want to go the next step and be a judge to evaluate all breeds
Thanks for your reply.
 

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

I don't know - they were still in the NE area 30 yrs ago. I remember hearing about CFF when first showing cats! I don't think they want to expand - have no clue why - just that they didn't have a lot of interested people to start up clubs and get more people in the judging program.

Judges are taken from dedicated breeders that want to go the next step and be a judge to evaluate all breeds
Hrmmm, I dunno, GK ... the people I have talked to - both breeder members as well as those within the association - were more than thrilled to hear that there were people "down South" who were interested in joining and starting clubs. I told them I already have a small group of breeders ready, willing and able to join, start a club locally and sponsor shows and that I haven't even gotten a third of the way through the list of breeders to contact about it yet. If I had to guess, I would say that the person I spoke to (one of the principals of the association) was literally jumping up and down in glee.
 

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Hopefully you can get some interest out there. I only went to one CFF show in Jersey (for points for my rex club). But I never registered the cat because there was so few shows to be worth it to me.

Maybe its time for a change
 

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Hopefully you can get some interest out there. I only went to one CFF show in Jersey (for points for my rex club). But I never registered the cat because there was so few shows to be worth it to me.

Maybe its time for a change
Thanks for the good wishes ... if everyone I have talked to does what they said they would do, it might just actually happen. Until then, I had thought about sending Pearl up to Connecticut to stay with my mentor - she offered to show Pearl for me since she was geographically closer. That didn't work out, but I still have a couple of irons in the old fire, so to speak.

The time for change is long overdue IMO.
 

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Wow. I think this is totally exciting. I've always felt weird about TICA and CFA. Not to knock them entirely, but it always felt as though they were just 'tolerating' traditionals. Not really in support of them. To have a legitimate association that might actually support these beautiful animals is very exciting.

Please keep us informed Gaye. Thanks.
 
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