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What on earth are they thinking about

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I am sure theres lots of other options than killing them. Cant they transport them to other areas, maybe other countries can take them - I know I´m not an expert but surely theres got to be a better answer than this, just cos they eat too much
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What on earth are they thinking about

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I am sure theres lots of other options than killing them. Cant they transport them to other areas, maybe other countries can take them - I know I´m not an expert but surely theres got to be a better answer than this, just cos they eat too much
I promised myself I would stick to cats on this site and never get in on the IMO stuff but I just accidently saw your posting. Just last night DW and I were talking about "real" piano keyboards. Nuff said.
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I think it's strange that we've actually gotten to the point where we complain because animals are endangered and try so hard to fight for them (which is the right thing to do) but then we start killing them once they reach certain numbers.
I do see the point regarding keeping biodiversity. If they don't, the elephants would surely meet carrying capacity and start tearing down the fencing (possibly hurting people) as well as dying from lack of food.
I like the idea of shipping them elsewhere, since as far as I know they're still endangered, and we should be promoting population growth. Maybe that one area just can't handle any more than what they have.
Either way, i don't think they should be killed and that the govenment there is leaning towards that simply because of finances (costs a lot more to ship an elephant or have it go through surgery than to kill it).

It makes me think of hunting season however. That's why they have hunting seasons, to keep animal populations in check (neither too many or too few). Also, I knew a girl who's dad was hired specially from the local govenment to kill beavers in the area, but only certain ones in certain areas, same idea.

All of this (carrying capacity and hunting season and all) makes me wonder what would happen if the tables were turned and animals decided that the human population were using too many resources and were ruining areas.
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I also found the comment about maintaining biodiversity interesting but for a completely different reason. Sure, in the small, constrained areas that they are being allowed to live, they can impact biodiversity. But what about the land outside park boundaries where humans are prone to keep mono-culture environments? The people using the biodiversity argument are probably the ones that go home to their mono-cultured lawns, the antithesis of biodiversity!!

Sorry, I'm one for giving animals back their natural environments, not culling them because they are inconvenient.
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All of this (carrying capacity and hunting season and all) makes me wonder what would happen if the tables were turned and animals decided that the human population were using too many resources and were ruining areas.
Amen to that!!
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The people using the biodiversity argument are probably the ones that go home to their mono-cultured lawns, the antithesis of biodiversity!!
Very nice point! I've never really understood the concept behind mono-cultured lawns... do you think we naturally have some sort of bizzare instinct to control nature?
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Very nice point! I've never really understood the concept behind mono-cultured lawns... do you think we naturally have some sort of bizzare instinct to control nature?
Humans are pretty controlling by nature so you might be onto something there.

I do know one thing: Nature detests a mono-culture!!
post #8 of 11
Yea, how i can understand why. however the good news here was
"the country's booming elephant population" so they must be doing something right

they are only thinking about killing them, how other ideas are also being looked into.
In this case i hope it the other ideas that win.
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Humans are pretty controlling by nature so you might be onto something there.

I do know one thing: Nature detests a mono-culture!!
Thats funny you should say that - I was thinking about evolution and how people have changed over time and I wondered to myself whether we would evolve further. I decided, probably not, because we have changed the environment to suit us.

Karma.....we know what she is like...
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Thats funny you should say that - I was thinking about evolution and how people have changed over time and I wondered to myself whether we would evolve further. I decided, probably not, because we have changed the environment to suit us.

Karma.....we know what she is like...
Only because of things that we have done to ourselves...such as more babies are being born every decade without baby toes, because we're wearing shoes now and don't need that last toe, becides that, they fit better in the atrocities that we call footwear.
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I just read something along these lines about a different species. In parts of Africa they have opened up a limited hunting season on lions to control a recovering population. People who hunt them go after the big lions with the full manes and now weaker small lions are taking over the prides. Normally these smaller lions wouldn't reproduce because they wouldn't be able to win a fight to take over the pride. This is now affecting the genetic health of the lion population. We have to find a way to co-exist with other animals on the planet but often what we do that we think is right has un-intended consequences.
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