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post #1 of 27
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As to play to both sides, Mr McCain is running. How do you feel about this? What are things you like and dislike about him?

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post #2 of 27
I was really favoring him as a candidate...until he publicly stated that he would do whatever he could to overturn Roe vs Wade.

And with that one statement, he lost my vote completely, now and forever. Darned shame, too. On many other topics, I feel the same that he does.
post #3 of 27
I don't think he would or could do one thing that could get RoeVWade overturned.
I just think that is such a non-issue, I don't understand why people make it into an issue.
I want to like McCain but he is just to blase for me. I like Rudy much better.
post #4 of 27
As a native of Phoenix Az ... I like McCain but he should have run 20 yrs ago ///
post #5 of 27
Sorry to quote wikipedia but...
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In 1999 McCain was quoted in the Washington Post, "I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
Seems against gay marriage, contraception, supports the teaching of 'intelligent design' in schools and is against sex education in schools
On the bright side he is against the torture of prisoners and has produced legislation which has been put into law though I believe Bush has rejected the initial proposals...

I wouldn't want this guy to manage my football team let alone a world power, lets hope Rudy gets the nomination and then loses the election
post #6 of 27
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I had known that McCain and flip flopped on Roe V Wade, and I'm sure that is going to be one of the main issues that his campaign tries to brush off. My main fear is that he looks a little too conservative for me.

How is he on Iraq?
post #7 of 27
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I don't think he would or could do one thing that could get RoeVWade overturned.
I just think that is such a non-issue, I don't understand why people make it into an issue.
I want to like McCain but he is just to blase for me. I like Rudy much better.
Now, do you think that Rudy's divorce will be an issue?

To be honest, I don't have a problem with it, but it's going to bring the whole scandal to light again.
post #8 of 27
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I had known that McCain and flip flopped on Roe V Wade, and I'm sure that is going to be one of the main issues that his campaign tries to brush off. My main fear is that he looks a little too conservative for me.

How is he on Iraq?
Pro-war on Iraq, supports more troops going out there. He dislikes Donald Rumsfeld and is hated by the NRA but I'm not too sure why and I'm hoping ckblv might help me out here as she seems to be tcs GOP supporter

Did you know he had to apologise to Clinton for a joke about Chelsea being so ugly because Janet Reno was her real mother and has had to back down over his use of the term 'gook'?
post #9 of 27
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Now, do you think that Rudy's divorce will be an issue?

To be honest, I don't have a problem with it, but it's going to bring the whole scandal to light again.
McCain is also divorced and has admitted to extra-marital affairs so I can't see this as too much of an issue in the preliminaries
post #10 of 27
I think I may have heard he is for gun control so maybe that is why the NRA hates him.

I am in agreement with him on some things but not on others.

But I think all the GI's that went to Viet Nam called the Viet Cong "gooks" so I won't hold that against him. I know he was called in for his opinion when the U.S. was thinking about reestablishing diplomatic relations with Viet Nam and he was for it.

The dude was a POW for goodness sake, I would think it would NOT be a big deal to call your captors names.
post #11 of 27
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Pro-war on Iraq, supports more troops going out there. He dislikes Donald Rumsfeld and is hated by the NRA but I'm not too sure why and I'm hoping ckblv might help me out here as she seems to be tcs GOP supporter

Did you know he had to apologise to Clinton for a joke about Chelsea being so ugly because Janet Reno was her real mother and has had to back down over his use of the term 'gook'?
That was a horrible thing to say both about Chelsea and Janet Reno. I used to like him when he ran against Bush in the primaries many years ago, but he's shown his true colors since then. Getting chummy with Bush to try to get his supporters, etc. I don't like Rudy either. Maybe Romney will be the nominee (don't want that either).
post #12 of 27
My Da was in Vietnam and I'm sure he never used such language
What McCain went through as a POW was pretty awful though and I've heard good things about his book about it- Faith of my Fathers..
He actually opposes tax cuts which is quite suprising for a Republican
post #13 of 27
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I like Rudy much better.
Aha! You're a closet liberal! Just kidding, but I have to say that I like Rudy's stance on abortion and gay marriage, and think he coped with NYC's myriad problems rather well, on the whole; I believe he could give McCain a run for his money. His 3 or 4 marriages will hurt him in the U.S., but he's one of the few candidates who is a "known" factor internationally, Hillary being another, and more than a few voters are worried about the U.S.'s ability to exert pressure internationally due to the Iraq fiasco. At the moment, there are two things that really bother me about McCain: his support of sending more troops to Iraq, and the "Roe vs. Wade" flip flop issue.
post #14 of 27
I like him. In my reading about where he stands on the issues, here's what they call *Fun Facts* about him I came across. Personal stuff, but some of it is kind of interesting.

Birth name: John Sidney McCain III.

Height: 5 feet, 7 inches.

Birth date: August 29, 1936. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone at the Coco Solo air base hospital. If elected as president in 2008, he would be 3 years older than Ronald Reagan, the oldest elected president to date.

Spouse: Cindy Hensley (May 1980 - present); Carol Shepp (Jul. 1965 - Feb. 1980; divorced).

Children: The McCains have 7 children. In his first marriage, he and Carol had a daughter (Sydney) and adopted two sons (Doug and Andy). He has 3 children by Cindy (Meghan, Jack and James). He and Cindy adopted their youngest daughter (Bridget) after discovering her in a Bangladeshi orphanage run by Mother Teresa. He has 4 grandchildren.

Grandfather: Rear Admiral John S. McCain was "a gaunt, hawk-faced man known as Slew by his fellow officers and, affectionately, as Popeye by the sailors who served under him. McCain Sr. played the horses, drank bourbon and water, and rolled his own cigarettes with one hand. He witnessed the Japanese surrender aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay on Sept. 2, 1945. He died on Sept. 6, 1945 and buried in Arlington National Cemetery." (Source: "Faith of My Fathers" by John McCain.)

Father: John S. McCain, Jr., rose to the rank of four-star admiral. In his final assignment, he commanded all U.S. forces in the Pacific during the Vietnam War. The admiral died Mar. 24, 1981.

Ancestry: McCain family origins are Scotch-Irish. His great-aunt was a descendant of Robert the Bruce, an early Scottish king. John Young, an early McCain ancestor, served on Gen. George Washington's staff. After the family moved to Mississippi, a number of McCain's ancestors fought in the Civil War on the side of the Confederacy. In 1848, the McCain family (William Alexander McCain) owned slaves in Carroll County, MS.

Childhood Trivia: "As a child, when he got angry, McCain would hold his breath until he blacked out." (Source: "Faith of My Fathers" by John McCain.)

Religion: Episcopalian.

Education: Graduated from Episcopal High School in Alexandria, VA in 1954. Graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958, and the National War College in 1973.

Naval Academy Trivia: McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his class. Former Reagan administration National Security Advisor John Poindexter (and controversial Iran-Contra affair figure) graduated first in McCain's class.

Military Career: McCain served 22 years as a naval aviator. In 1967, he was shot down over Vietnam and held as a prisoner-of-war in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" for five and a half years (1967-1973), much of it in solitary confinement. At the time he was shot down, his father Admiral Jack McCain was Commander of the U.S. Fleet. Sen. McCain retired from the Navy as a Captain in 1981.

Military Awards: McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.

Other Honors: In 1997, he was named one of the "25 Most Influential People in America" by Time magazine.

Political Career: "John McCain was first elected to represent the state of Arizona in the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982. As a long time admirer of Ronald Reagan, McCain was an early foot soldier in the 'Reagan Revolution.' He served two terms in the House before being elected to the Senate in 1985. He was re-elected to a third Senate term in November 1998. In that election, he received nearly 70% of the vote, a total which included 65% of the women's vote, 55% of the Hispanic vote, and even 40% of the Democrats." (Source: Univ. of Illinois)

Senate Trivia: McCain is one of only three Vietnam veterans serving in the US Senate, the others being fellow Republican Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, and Democrat John Kerry of Massachusetts.

Medical: McCain has been treated for recurrent skin cancer, including melanoma, in 1993, 2000, and 2002.

Celebrity Milestones: Was the first sitting senator to host "Saturday Night Live" (1975). A TV movie entitled "Faith Of My Fathers," based on McCain's memoir of his experiences as a POW, aired on Memorial Day, 2005 on the A&E channel.

Favorite poet: Robert Louis Stevenson.

Favorite movie: Paths of Glory (1957).
post #15 of 27
Ask your Dad Nate, you may be surprised. I was in High School during the late part of the Viet Nam War and all the guys I knew (and there were quite a few) and I mean ALL of them called the Viet Cong "gooks"

I am ALL for tax cuts for middle income people like myself, who wouldn't be.

Jcat, those are the two things I disagree with him on.
post #16 of 27
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Jcat, those are the two things I disagree with him on.
Wherever the twain will meet! I certainly hope that most voters will be able to ignore the so-called "ideological divides" in the next elections, and compromise on the "least worst" candidate!
post #17 of 27
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That was a horrible thing to say both about Chelsea and Janet Reno. .
well at least he did not lie.oopss sorry, did not mean that.

anyway, i like maccain, l liked him over bush, still do. He is more liberal then most rep. and willing to work with dem, to get stuff done. however i dobut he will get support from most of his party.
post #18 of 27
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Wherever the twain will meet! I certainly hope that most voters will be able to ignore the so-called "ideological divides" in the next elections, and compromise on the "least worst" candidate!
that is the real issue and has been, why is always a case of least worst. where did all the real people go.
post #19 of 27
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I think I may have heard he is for gun control so maybe that is why the NRA hates him.

I am in agreement with him on some things but not on others.

But I think all the GI's that went to Viet Nam called the Viet Cong "gooks" so I won't hold that against him. I know he was called in for his opinion when the U.S. was thinking about reestablishing diplomatic relations with Viet Nam and he was for it.

The dude was a POW for goodness sake, I would think it would NOT be a big deal to call your captors names.
As for that, I agree with you. My Mom is a Vietnam Vet and I know for sure she refered to them as "gooks". It's a nasty word, but things are very different when you are in the middle of a war. I would never hold that against him.
post #20 of 27
I'm from Arizona and I've voted for John McCain, every time that he's run for office.

Roe v. Wade is a non-issue - I don't feel that government even HAS any business in anyone's PRIVATE medical decisions.

Considering McCain's treatment, at the hands of his captors, I'm surprised that he doesn't use MORE pejoritive terms than "gooks". The man can't even lift his arms high enough to comb his hair.
post #21 of 27
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Ask your Dad Nate, you may be surprised. I was in High School during the late part of the Viet Nam War and all the guys I knew (and there were quite a few) and I mean ALL of them called the Viet Cong "gooks"
Yeah, perhaps I didn't make myself clear- I'm pretty sure my father would use that kind of language now (i.e. the present day as McCain has- to the detriment of any chance he has of getting the Asian-American vote).

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I am ALL for tax cuts for middle income people like myself, who wouldn't be.
What about tax rebates for the poorest people and taxing the rich then?
Thats the problem weith Republicans- all tax breaks and no responsibilities
post #22 of 27
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Considering McCain's treatment, at the hands of his captors, I'm surprised that he doesn't use MORE pejoritive terms than "gooks". The man can't even lift his arms high enough to comb his hair.
Whoa - what did they do to him there? I don't know much about McCain so I am curious about him.

I don't believe in tax cuts - the taxes are there for a reason.
post #23 of 27
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Whoa - what did they do to him there? I don't know much about McCain so I am curious about him.

I don't believe in tax cuts - the taxes are there for a reason.
He wrote a book about it: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...sbn=0762851309

It was also a movie of the week. He was treated badly by his captors because of who is father was, and was also forced to make announcments about how horrible the US was.
post #24 of 27
There are things that i like and dislike about both McCaine and Rudy. I defintiely want to see what their final stances on abortion are (i'm 100% pro life and make no appoligies for it- i'll leave it at that) but i will not say anything further or comment on any of those canidates yet - i want to research some more first / And while on the topic of Vietnam- lol ya'll should hear Colin's mom/aunt talk about things- they're from Vietnam
post #25 of 27
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I was really favoring him as a candidate...until he publicly stated that he would do whatever he could to overturn Roe vs Wade.

And with that one statement, he lost my vote completely, now and forever. Darned shame, too. On many other topics, I feel the same that he does.
Same here. I was more then a little mad when he said that. and it's all for the conservitive vote. How sad. I want a president who will stay true to him or herself and not lie just for votes. No job is worth losing who you are. Shame on you Mr. McCain, shame on you
post #26 of 27
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Whoa - what did they do to him there? I don't know much about McCain so I am curious about him.
His arms were broken, when he was shot down. During his captivity, he was frequently bound, with his arms and legs in painful positions. This, combined with inadequate medical care, caused life-long damage.

McCain was offered early release, because of who his father was - he refused special treatment and endured the torments of Hell, because of it. When Jane Fonda toured the prison, he swore at her, from his hospital bed and was beaten for his defiance. Under torture, he eventually made ant-American statements but, he was able to hold out, for a long time. The man has character and guts.

When McCain came home, he didn't whine or use Vietnam as an excuse - he got back to the business of life.
post #27 of 27
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His arms were broken, when he was shot down. During his captivity, he was frequently bound, with his arms and legs in painful positions. This, combined with inadequate medical care, caused life-long damage.

McCain was offered early release, because of who his father was - he refused special treatment and endured the torments of Hell, because of it. When Jane Fonda toured the prison, he swore at her, from his hospital bed and was beaten for his defiance. Under torture, he eventually made ant-American statements but, he was able to hold out, for a long time. The man has character and guts.

When McCain came home, he didn't whine or use Vietnam as an excuse - he got back to the business of life.
Thats so awful. I will never understand why some people are so cruel. But, good on him for changing the negative into something positive.
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