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post #1 of 19
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We all know, that china has a one child per family rules. We also know that china put up a large number of girls babies are abortied, dropped off, or just go missing. All in hopes to have a Son. Several years ago, i was hearing stories about women were being taken and beind sold as wives to other men. Now from the story on the BBC things are getting worse. and will only get worse as time goes on. How i have always had a great deal of respect for chinese history and cultural(food , art etc). I wonder at what point does internal pressure rip apart china due to men who want wives, or does china turn that outward. Last i looked, china still puts gay men and women into mental hospitals. 97% of people want sex(well my stats there). Do they ban getting rid of females? which would make the most sense. But then you deal with more changing the cultural. where the male son job is to take care of the mom and dad.
anyway after reading this, i can really see a great deal of trouble coming in a few years. what do you think?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6346931.stm

hmm what would life be like with no women.
post #2 of 19
this 'one child' rule has been a terrible thing, as mentioned in the article, baby girls being abandoned on streets, abortions, which some lead to more medical complications for the woman, rapes, child abuse....and on it goes. I actually thought they had changed the ruling and were now encouraging bigger families

One can only imagine how this is all going to turn out, no woman ?........no marriages ?............umm no children........lots of elderly men needing care ?.......

What will they do.........some will move away, but some have poor educations and do not have the option to move to other countries, the culture might not allow mix-race marriages, will the government step in ......... how will this all pan out in 100-200-500 years time ???? crazy, crazy !
post #3 of 19
I think that things will eventually even out again. Maybe it will take a century or two, but many men will die out without reproducing, and female babies will be an acceptable (perhaps even preferrred) choice again.

It's amazing how humans screw things up! We make up laws and keep traditions that have no common sense to them. We make choices knowing full well they will lead to disaster somewhere down the line. But we choose them anyway.
post #4 of 19
It's rediculious the laws and policies they have. It makes me very appreciative and glad to live in a free country that is not under communist rule. At the church i used to go to- there were 12 families who had adopted little girls from china in one year (i go/went to a massive church) they held classes and special get togethers for the adoptive families to talk and get to know each other- it was really sad how many times the little girls had been so abused that they wouldn't talk for quite a while and would be scared of many people depending on their age. It's aweful how females are treated over there. It really hear such aweful stories like that. I do everything in my power not to support things like that - i always check the products i buy and try to avoid purchasing things made in china or other communist countries. I'd much rather buy things made in a free countries like the US, European Counrtries (many of them), and places like that. I try not to buy things made in communist china- i don't want my money to go to support communism and things of that nature As a consumer- i have the power to use my purchases as i see fit. My heart breaks for those little girls- i wish i could take them all into my home and give them a loving home that WANTS them. Also- communism really hits close to home for Colin and I. His mom is Vietnamese. She was born in N. Vietnam and had to flee to south during the Vietnam War. She helped the US forces there (that's how she met Colin's dad.) The stories her and her sister (Aunt My) have told us are chilling and sad. They miss their country- true but they don't miss the communist rule or the tradgedy it incurred. They all refuse to buy things made in communist countries as well. This topic is very near and dear to my heart as i have heard first hand just how bad things of that nature can be and seen it in his mom's eyes. It's heartbreaking.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
It's amazing how humans screw things up! We make up laws and keep traditions that have no common sense to them. We make choices knowing full well they will lead to disaster somewhere down the line. But we choose them anyway.
I know, it's crazy. It's basic math.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by Satai View Post
I know, it's crazy. It's basic math.
how i understand, the math says its hard to feed over a billion people.
When does the govt there have to step in and say. look stop sending the little girls over seas or killing them. if your family has a girl, then its a girl.

I still think that if you take away the influance of women, men will be men. i really think that if the problem there get worse. Then china will start to look to use there bored no women at home men in external stuff.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
It's rediculious the laws and policies they have. It makes me very appreciative and glad to live in a free country that is not under communist rule. At the church i used to go to- there were 12 families who had adopted little girls from china in one year (i go/went to a massive church) they held classes and special get togethers for the adoptive families to talk and get to know each other- it was really sad how many times the little girls had been so abused that they wouldn't talk for quite a while and would be scared of many people depending on their age. It's aweful how females are treated over there. It really hear such aweful stories like that. I do everything in my power not to support things like that - i always check the products i buy and try to avoid purchasing things made in china or other communist countries. I'd much rather buy things made in a free countries like the US, European Counrtries (many of them), and places like that. I try not to buy things made in communist china- i don't want my money to go to support communism and things of that nature As a consumer- i have the power to use my purchases as i see fit. My heart breaks for those little girls- i wish i could take them all into my home and give them a loving home that WANTS them. Also- communism really hits close to home for Colin and I. His mom is Vietnamese. She was born in N. Vietnam and had to flee to south during the Vietnam War. She helped the US forces there (that's how she met Colin's dad.) The stories her and her sister (Aunt My) have told us are chilling and sad. They miss their country- true but they don't miss the communist rule or the tradgedy it incurred. They all refuse to buy things made in communist countries as well. This topic is very near and dear to my heart as i have heard first hand just how bad things of that nature can be and seen it in his mom's eyes. It's heartbreaking.
well like i said, i understand why they did it. But i dont think they(commuist govt) took into account the common person want or need to have a sons. TO carry on the family name. To take care of the mom and dad in old age.

i made a friend from vietnam over the years vui has become one of my best friends. i went to vietnam to meet her, became friends with sisters. Vui now lives here in the US and works as a cancer research doctor. she and her husband came here at xmas to visit. They all speak of how they hate the goverment there, and would love to go back home if they could.
post #8 of 19
I've been reading about this in the WSJ. Some urban parents so to other countries and have that second child but when they come back to China their second child isn't recognized by the government-can get schooling etc...
It's such a crazy system they have there!!
post #9 of 19
There was a programme about this on BBC World - the government are now addressing this issue and have set up a team to promote females

Anyway, they now monitor pregnancies - couples are required by law to register the preganancy, this is supposed to stop illegal abortions and abandonment or murder of baby girls.

They have huge posters promoting 'girls are the future' & TV campaignes.
If a family has a baby girl the 1st time, then they are allowed to have a 2nd child they are allowed to claim all sorts of benefits, one family even had their house all kitted out with monies from the government.

So it seems the tide is turning but its a slow process and its still very hard for the government to reach poor families in mountain areas.
post #10 of 19
They're also perpetrating one of the worst injustices of the modern day in Tibet. When you have a culture that is so group-oriented and a government which has absolute control over everything (including what you are allowed to know, what you're allowed to see, etc) then it is hard for us to understand how people can submit to a govt telling them what kind of family to have... obviously, it wouldn't fly here.

The idea that women are inferior needs to change before the infanticide does. Killing / abandoning baby girls is a product of the idea that women are a burden on their families. When the idea changes, and not before, cultures where infanticide is a problem (and it's certainly not just in China) will change.
post #11 of 19
I read somewhere recently that there are now 3 million more men than women in China. So looks like 3 million men will go without wives, unless they import them.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I read somewhere recently that there are now 3 million more men than women in China. So looks like 3 million men will go without wives, unless they import them.
That's been done before: "Mail-order brides" were at one time common in North America's "Wild West". I probably fall into the "imported wives" category. Following WWII, far more boys were born in Germany than girls, and it's sometimes surprising to see how many men around my husband's age (he was born in 1952) have foreign wives.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
The idea that women are inferior needs to change before the infanticide does. Killing / abandoning baby girls is a product of the idea that women are a burden on their families. When the idea changes, and not before, cultures where infanticide is a problem (and it's certainly not just in China) will change.
Such a huge need for change in these cultures.
Personally, I find it very hard to muster up much respect for these cultures in light of the all the horrible abusive ideas they have about women and girls.
post #14 of 19
China has a horrible human rights record, double bad because they don't even have the excuse of being a third world country.

But what can anyone expect, look at the way they treat their animals, it is horrendous. They disgust me.

(Talking about the Chinese government here)
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I read somewhere recently that there are now 3 million more men than women in China. So looks like 3 million men will go without wives, unless they import them.
man, that is alot of happy, i mean bored men, but unlike the west, i dont think you will find alot of women willing to move to china for a husband.

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Such a huge need for change in these cultures.
Personally, I find it very hard to muster up much respect for these cultures in light of the all the horrible abusive ideas they have about women and girls.
well, the west has in the past not been that great for respect for women. in are past.
culture on the whole changes very slow.

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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
There was a programme about this on BBC World - the government are now addressing this issue and have set up a team to promote females

Anyway, they now monitor pregnancies - couples are required by law to register the preganancy, this is supposed to stop illegal abortions and abandonment or murder of baby girls.

They have huge posters promoting 'girls are the future' & TV campaignes.
If a family has a baby girl the 1st time, then they are allowed to have a 2nd child they are allowed to claim all sorts of benefits, one family even had their house all kitted out with monies from the government.

So it seems the tide is turning but its a slow process and its still very hard for the government to reach poor families in mountain areas.
wish i could have seen that. non of my friends in china ever said anything about it. I will have to ask.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
China has a horrible human rights record, double bad because they don't even have the excuse of being a third world country.

But what can anyone expect, look at the way they treat their animals, it is horrendous. They disgust me.

(Talking about the Chinese government here)
lol yea, i am not a fan of the goverment, but even most chinese i know are not a fan of it.

hmm, if you step outside of Hong kong, shanghai, or suzhou at that point in time you are stepping into the third world.
post #17 of 19
I heard someone talking about worse case scenario (coming from the stand point that communism isn't satified with staying within it's own borders-check out the history ), that China could build a huge army, based on the large numbers of unattached, unhappy men, with the promise of wives from a conquered country...that's an unpleasant thought.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I read somewhere recently that there are now 3 million more men than women in China. So looks like 3 million men will go without wives, unless they import them.

Just saw a progam here that stated the same number. And was listed as one of the reason for booming internet and it was causing a increase in the effort of the govt to stop its people from seeing some internet sites. Also they were blaming this on the increase in internet gaming which was causing the deaths of young males(heck no women to chase go play a game, make sense to me)
post #19 of 19
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wish i could have seen that. non of my friends in china ever said anything about it. I will have to ask.
Do you get BBC World ? I noticed that they repeat programmes a lot, like the one about this was on every morning for about a week, so maybe it will be back on again
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