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post #1 of 23
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A 30 year old woman is taking her case to the High Court in London, she believes that medics are breaching her human rights. Heres the full story right-to-die
Apparently they think she only has a year to live anyway. She says she is just fed up of being ill, and does not want the humiliation of the deterioration of her condition and should be allowed to die.

Do you think she should be able to go in peace or suffer on ?
post #2 of 23
Months of suffering is hard on the person dying and also on the family. I personally would want the choice if it were me. If my remaining months were going to be drawn out with pain, deterioration, helplessness and having to rely on everyone else taking care of me, tending to me, then I would want the right to choose to die before all of that humiliation.
post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Months of suffering is hard on the person dying and also on the family. I personally would want the choice if it were me. If my remaining months were going to be drawn out with pain, deterioration, helplessness and having to rely on everyone else taking care of me, tending to me, then I would want the right to choose to die before all of that humiliation.


I agree 100%.

It's bad enough that we are all told how to live, why can't we choose death with dignity? Where is the human compassion in forcing someone to suffer?

Some folks call euthenasia "playing God." But they don't seem to see the irony that exists in prolonging suffering in a terminal patient, just because they can due to medical science. I think that is more "playing God" than is allowing someone to just go on their own terms, when we are all born to die anyway.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Months of suffering is hard on the person dying and also on the family. I personally would want the choice if it were me. If my remaining months were going to be drawn out with pain, deterioration, helplessness and having to rely on everyone else taking care of me, tending to me, then I would want the right to choose to die before all of that humiliation.
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I agree 100%.

It's bad enough that we are all told how to live, why can't we choose death with dignity? Where is the human compassion in forcing someone to suffer?

Some folks call euthenasia "playing God." But they don't seem to see the irony that exists in prolonging suffering in a terminal patient, just because they can due to medical science. I think that is more "playing God" than is allowing someone to just go on their own terms, when we are all born to die anyway.
Well said, both of you!
post #5 of 23
She absolutely has every right to die-its HER choice. I dont blame her at all!!

It may be *euthenasia* but thats what she wants, then so be it.
post #6 of 23
I think she has the right to die the way she wants to die.
Both of my parents are gone, my Father was alive one second and gone the next.
He was never sick a day in his life.
I was a very little girl and it still miss my Daddy to this day, it was harder on us...the ones that were left behind, but much easier on my Father.

My Mother on the other hand was sick for over 10 years, so we watched our Mother die slowly for 10 years.
She used to pray to die, and I used to pray for God to take her.
She wasn't hooked up to machines all that time, put in the end she was.
I begged my Sister to allow the machines to be removed, she wouldn't hear of it.

My Husband and I have talked about this often, no machines for either of us.
Something that's always bothered me...when our pets become sick and they are in pain and there's no hope for them to get well it's considered a loving, caring thing to put them to sleep.
Why then do we allow our parents, grandparents and other family members to suffer for years and years hooking them up to machines just to keep them alive when in all reality they're already gone?
Frankly I think that is the most selfish thing in the world to do, if they have no hope for recovery we're only keeping them alive for us not for them.

This goes againest everything I was raised to believe, but in my opinion Dr. Kevorkin (SP) was doing nothing wrong.

Sorry, didn't mean to rant on but as you can tell I have very strong feelings about this.
post #7 of 23
Because when people are killed we give it names like "murder" and "suicide". And some people's religious beliefs clash with these ideas of ending a terminally ill person's life, i.e. that commandment in the 10 Commandments that states "thou shalt not kill." Its a very sticky issue. I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, I do beleive that people should have the right to die with dignity. On the other hand, if somebody administers a lethal dose of something to them, its murder. If they take their own life somehow, its suicide. Just a difficult issue all around.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Graciecat View Post
Something that's always bothered me...when our pets become sick and they are in pain and there's no hope for them to get well it's considered a loving, caring thing to put them to sleep.
Why then do we allow our parents, grandparents and other family members to suffer for years and years hooking them up to machines just to keep them alive when in all reality they're already gone?
Frankly I think that is the most selfish thing in the world to do, if they have no hope for recovery we're only keeping them alive for us not for them.
I agree 100%.

I've never understood the dichotomy of that position - we are to value human life so much that allowing, enabling, and prolonging suffering is the ideal? But when we hear of someone doing the same thing with a pet, they are being selfish and not thinking of the pet's wellbeing and quality of life.

If it goes against someone's religion to end life, whether by one's own or someone else's hand, no matter what the circumstances, that is their perogative. They don't HAVE to choose that path. But I think it is just as wrong for someone to say "You can't because it goes against MY beliefs" as someone else saying "You must because I don't believe the same thing." I wouldn't want euthanasia forced on anyone, but I also don't think the option should be excluded.
post #9 of 23
It is against my Religion...I'm Catholic...and before my Mother got so sick I always thought that removing someone from life support was a sin because you were basically taking their life.
Taking someones life is a sin, but taking their life in a fit of rage or because you want something they have so very different than removing them from a machine that is only keeping a basically dead heart beating.
Heaven forbid I ever have to make that decision regarding my Husband or one of my kids, but I don't believe God will see me as a murderer for refusing or removing life support.

I think every living thing has the right to die with dignity and free from pain.
I don't believe that God will judge that Woman harshly for the decision she's making.
post #10 of 23
I agree that if you are so very old that life has no joy for you anymore or that if your body has given out and you do nt want to go on, that you rlife should not be prolonged by the medical technology that we now have available in our modern day and age.

What I find morally repugnant is that as my 80+ FIL was in a nrusing home with no reason to live and his body giving out, he was allowed to die with dignity because one of his DIL is a high powered doctor in the county where his nursing home was. If he had not had her as an "advocate" they would have prolonged his life-for what?
post #11 of 23
Oregon has what is called the "Death with Dignity" act which was passed by the voters.

http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/pas/faqs.shtml
post #12 of 23
I think she has the right to die the way she wants to die.
post #13 of 23
This is a hard one.

I think one has the right to refuse medical treatment, but I don't believe in doctor assisted suicide.
post #14 of 23
That's a hard one.

Only because the doctor assisted suicide is so controversal. Look at Dr. Kervorkian...his name was big here when I was 15 or 16. That was only because he was being accused of murder when his "career" was assisted suicide (well...maybe he did go about it funny).

Anyways, I think it should be OK'd by a court that she is given permission to die. Then the docs are covered for any legality because the court gave them permission to do so or not do it.
post #15 of 23
This happens all the time, they just call it pain management. I've witnessed it first hand, and it was the wish of the person who was dying as well as the entire family. Technically, the doctors didn't give us the instructions to give the person so much morphine but on the other hand they explained how much it would take... Fact is, it isn't assisted suicide. A lot of people get to a point where they are being strung along on 5 billion meds that are keeping them barely alive, with no quality of life. If you have seen that as a daily fact of life for years, you begin to question whether the person should be, or even wants to be, alive any more. Sometimes, they are quite happy with the life they have had, have accepted their death, and are actually ready for it. Who are we to tell them they can't be done?

Seems to me more and more often people are getting involved in these sorts of things when it sure isn't any business of theirs. She shouldn't have to ask the court for permission to die.
post #16 of 23
I don't understand why governments feel it's their place to tell people that they need to suffer until they die naturally. I imagine there's a reason, and I imagine it probably has to do with some combination of liability and insurance. (Yet another reason trial lawyers and insurance companies are two of the world's biggest devils).

We help our companion animals pass on when they've run out of hope...why not people?
post #17 of 23
SO if we approvel of the right to die. Are people going to start to saying suicide is ok.
now? lets say a person deals with depression every day. gets sick of dealing with it. is it ok for them to commit suicide. We already say its ok to kill unborn babies. We should just go ahead and say its ok to kill people that piss you off, they are causing me not to enjoy my life . Life has no value Is that the world that people want?

anyway i was just kinda looking at it from the other side for second there.
Anyway, if the person is dying, and there is nothing that can be done. and in alot of pain. yes they should be allowed to leave.

Like Zissou'sMom said, Once i did see a doc tell someone that if they happen to take something with something else. it could prove to be fatel. funny the person died 2 days later. yea, he wanted out. But like everthing else people will take it to far.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
SO if we approvel of the right to die. Are people going to start to saying suicide is ok.
now? lets say a person deals with depression every day. gets sick of dealing with it. is it ok for them to commit suicide. We already say its ok to kill unborn babies. We should just go ahead and say its ok to kill people that piss you off, they are causing me not to enjoy my life . Life has no value Is that the world that people want?
That is nearly a textbook example of a slippery slope fallacy.

Firstly, allowing someone to choose to let themself die and murdering another person are totally different. Not allowing a person to die violates their will to die, murdering someone violates their will to live.
As for suicide... if someone really and truly wants to kill themself, they are going to. Regardless of the law and regardless of what people will think of them. What do they care anyway? That doesn't mean we should say it is okay, or encourage it. But you can't force anybody to be alive.

ps I know you're playing devil's advocate-- but the argument is a real one brought up time and time again.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
SO if we approvel of the right to die. Are people going to start to saying suicide is ok.
now? lets say a person deals with depression every day. gets sick of dealing with it. is it ok for them to commit suicide. We already say its ok to kill unborn babies. We should just go ahead and say its ok to kill people that piss you off, they are causing me not to enjoy my life . Life has no value Is that the world that people want?
Bruce i couldn't agree with you more! Very well said.
post #20 of 23
My father, who's a doctor, has been doing this for years. If a person who is in chronic pain and is dieing he's put them on pain management to assist them with their passing. Is he a murder? No. Is it the right thing to do? Ask the 80 year old women who is dieing a painful death from bone cancer who can't lift her head or walk with out it feeling like she is on fire. Ask the husband who can't take away his wife's pain. Ask the children who are begging their mother to leave the planet in peace. Ask the nurse who hears her shouts in the middle of the night because she can't sleep.
post #21 of 23
Theoretically, suicide is illegal in many places, which of course begs the question - just how are you going to prosecute someone who was successful?

This isn't about anyone choosing to kill someone else. That's not it at all. This is about someone choosing, with their doctors and family, that there is no chance to recover and choosing not to go through a painful and drawn out dying process. It is not the same as someone just deciding that they want out of an unhappy situation and choosing suicide.

Modern medicine is great and has saved many lives, but let's face fact: modern medicine also makes people suffer prolonged deaths in hopes of a "cure". For those opposed to this, who want to preserve the sanctity of life, answer this: Would you allow your cat to suffer through months or years of pain with no chance of recovery or quality of life because of an incurable disease?
post #22 of 23
This is a hard one. I know I would hate to be in her situation, and I would probably feel the same way, but think about what would happen if the courts allowed a leathal dose of medication. After that, would doctors take it upon themselves to decide who should be allowed treatment and who should not? Would the courts agree that anyone in a nursing home should be given a leathal dose because they are dying anyway? (Hopefully, this is a worst case scenerio, but it still is a possibility. Once a court precedence is made...who knows).

I think the right to die thing is mainly focused on life supports, and anyone can stipulate no life support with a living will. If she wants to take her life, that is her choice, but in my opinion it shouldn't involve the courts and having doctors do it for her.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post
My father, who's a doctor, has been doing this for years. If a person who is in chronic pain and is dieing he's put them on pain management to assist them with their passing. Is he a murder? No. Is it the right thing to do? Ask the 80 year old women who is dieing a painful death from bone cancer who can't lift her head or walk with out it feeling like she is on fire. Ask the husband who can't take away his wife's pain. Ask the children who are begging their mother to leave the planet in peace. Ask the nurse who hears her shouts in the middle of the night because she can't sleep.


I don't consider what your father does, doctor assisted suicide, I consider it, mercy. And letting the dying die with some dignity.
Bless you father.
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