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post #31 of 59
it can take some time, I think it was over a month before i let the kitten out. and even then i stayed with them. the old cat will still hiss at the kitten sometimes now. But it seems now more cause the older cat is not in the mood to play anymore. However i could still not call them friends yet.

give it time. There is alot of good advice here. i know they helped me alot.
post #32 of 59
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I gave the little one a bath with Singa's shampoo and then rubbed her down with a towel which I rubbed all over Singa before. Then I put a dab of Vanilla on Soleil and ran around the house holding her. Singa watched carefully every step I made, but in a ready-to-hide way.

Then I let Soleil roam around with my supervision. Singa watched her every move at first and started hissing as soon as she came closer than 1.5 meters. I gave Singa some of her favorite treats, which she eventually ate when she felt 'safe' (meaning the kitten wasn't in direct sight). She was also sitting in a more relaxed way than before with her from paws curled under her chest.

The bad news I will put in a second thread, as it is a topic itself - of course well known to you all, but I just need to write it out of my system... and maybe you guys have a word or two to help me get over my anger....
post #33 of 59
when i got Cable, Pixel & Mouse were 7. Cable was maybe 8 weeks old [like Soleil, she was a foundling, so i really don't know for sure]. they hated her - hissed at her all the time, etc. Mouse passed away a couple of months later [she was Pixel's littermate]. by then, Pixel had accepted Cable, but they weren't what you would call friends. about 4 months after that, tho, i found this...

so just be patient!
post #34 of 59
My kitten is OUT of the bathroom and I officially have TWO cats!

So far it's been an interesting few hours. Tak is babysitting Pixel and following her EVERYwhere. Pixel is just being kitteny and silly and I can see that the babysitter is having a hard time keeping up!

A few hisses and knocks on the skull for Pixel so far, but it's not phasing her. We clipped everyone's claws down before the big introduction, but there haven't been any scary moments. I think Tak likes the company and adjusted REALLY quick.

They both just seem GOGOGO trying to keep up with each other! Do they ever sleep again?!

We'll see what the next few days bring, but I'm excited it went so well!
post #35 of 59
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Originally Posted by Malakaiii View Post
My kitten is OUT of the bathroom and I officially have TWO cats!

So far it's been an interesting few hours. Tak is babysitting Pixel and following her EVERYwhere. Pixel is just being kitteny and silly and I can see that the babysitter is having a hard time keeping up!

A few hisses and knocks on the skull for Pixel so far, but it's not phasing her. We clipped everyone's claws down before the big introduction, but there haven't been any scary moments. I think Tak likes the company and adjusted REALLY quick.

They both just seem GOGOGO trying to keep up with each other! Do they ever sleep again?!

We'll see what the next few days bring, but I'm excited it went so well!
OMG!! That is AWSOME!!!! I'm sooo happy for the 2 (and you of course)!
It gives me hope... tell me how u did the final introduction pretty please!!!!

I am thinking of moving Soleil to the guestroom so she has more space, but after her peeing issue yesterday I am not sure anymore.
post #36 of 59
Gosh, reading all these is like talking about my own house right now! I'm sending you all good wishes and vibes.....

Can anyone help, it's week 2 and all the cats are out and the old cat I have just taken in has now ventured downstairs. This is a positive step, except that she STILL hisses at the kittens and actually has now taken to chasing them whenever she sees them.

When either myself or my fiance are around the old cat molly doesn't chase (I think she's smart!) but as soon as we disappear she'll wander around, see one of the kittens and go for her.

So far no actual fights just chasing. Molly is 11 and the 2 kittens are 8 months so I think they could out run her!

Yesterday we came home to find Molly had escaped through the cat flap and was patrolling our garden fence and one of the kittens was out too, and we think was too scared to come home! We got Molly in and the kitten followed soon after with lots of coaxing.

Any help hints tips would be a real life saver, because as other people have been saying this whole introductions thing is soo stressful and I feel so upset for my kittens as they now look permanently scared and are are a bit jumpy (understandably)

I've used vanilla that that does seem to calm them down, but like others have said it's not so much the smell it's the SIGHT was soon as she sees the kittens she goes for them.

I've shut her in a room today whilst Im at work and I'll let her out this evening as I want the kittens to have a fun day and not be so scared...
Please help!
post #37 of 59
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Originally Posted by WalthamstowUK View Post
Any help hints tips would be a real life saver, because as other people have been saying this whole introductions thing is soo stressful and I feel so upset for my kittens as they now look permanently scared and are are a bit jumpy (understandably)
Oh no! I'm so sorry to hear that! I fully understand the situation you are. I'm not sure if I am of any help, as my situation (as you know) is similar but not the same. I have noticed that Singa has calmed down with the Feliway which I sprayed into the air of the living room (main interaction area). The vanilla thing I also do not know if it works because Singa is just not happy with the sight of the kitten, but there has been much progress since I use both Feliway and Vanilla, but then again... I never had the problem that signa would chase the little monster.
I also started giving Singa treats when we let the kitten roam around and she is a bit reluctant but will eat it eventually.

Today was a very good day.

We came home and I took care of cuddling Signa while my BF took Soleil to our bedroom to give her some playtime. After 5 min I also went to the bedroom and closed the door (because of the kitten). Singa came to the door meowing. I wasn't too sure if it was a good idea just opening the door, so I held the kitten in my arm while I did so. Singa kept meowing and rubbing around my legs, so I squatted in front of her with Soleil still in my arms. Singa didn't even notice at first. She came to sniff the 'thing' in my arms and then let out a short hiss.
So I ended the session for the time being, but was happy that Singa go so close to her.
Later we let Soleil roam around the house with Singa in the living room with her. I was extremely surprised because there was no hissing at all. Even with Soleil running 1 foot up to her. .... until she tried to sniff the treat I had put down in front of Singa (which she didn't eat right away as she was observing the situation). Then a big hiss, an inferior kitten and done with. However, from then on Singa (although she was lying relaxed on her side) hissed when Soleil got closer than 1 foot of her.

I don't know if this helps, but maybe you try the whole thing over again? with confinement and then rewarding Molly when she is around the kittens??
Sorry... I wish I could help more!
post #38 of 59
I'll share a bit more about last night's big introduction for you.

The cats had both had a really good day and were getting really excited to finally meet! They'd both been trying to duck around our legs when we would go in and out of the bathroom, so we figured it was time to have a go at it.

I called Tak in from the porch so that she would be able to see the bathroom door open and know what was happening (better than her wandering inside later to find a little 'intruder'!) She was across the hall when we opened the bathroom door and Pixel strolled out. I kept reminding my boyfriend (and myself) to be relaxed and to say nice things to calm them down cuz they can pick up on our anxiousness.

Pixel galloped right over to Tak cuz she lived with cats before and was friends with them. Tak has been an only cat for so long, though! While they stood and stared at each other, I grabbed a bag of treats and dumped a pile out on the floor. The treat-party worked pretty good because they both munched those and it put them in a good mood!

Then basically Tak followed Pixel's every move for the next 3 hours! Tak seemed to really want to play with her, though, and would hide and then pounce at her (not on her). We left them out all night together and there were no spats or crying at all... but they both looked tired this morning!

Today has been a lot of sleeping in different rooms. Tak is back in her spot at the foot of our bed and Pixel has commandeered the window seat. Pixel even calmed down enough earlier to come have a cuddle with me on the couch! AND I haven't heard any hissing yet today.

I'm waiting for the Feliway to arrive in the mail, still. That should calm everyone down a bit further...
post #39 of 59
have you posted a picture of your Pixel yet? mine is the tuxedo cat in my avatar...
post #40 of 59
My Pixel is a tuxedo too. She's 14 weeks old.

post #41 of 59
They were napping on the bed together today!!

I guess the lure of clean warm laundry was too much to bear.

post #42 of 59
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So cute Malakaiii! Congratulations to the good relationship between Tak and Pixle.

This morning I let Soleil out of the bathroom without warning. Singa walked up to her and both sniffed eachothers noses - but than came the hiss.

An now Singa is her hissing self. 1 foot and thats it. No closer than that. Singa follwed Soleil to the guestroo where Soleil was sitting underneath the couch. When she got to close Soleil either sneezed or spat at her Singa diectly backed up and left.

I really don't get the two....
Singa seems to be frightened by the little one. But how to make her be comfortable with the little bubble. After all Soleil is barely 1/4 of Singa
post #43 of 59
As long as they react to each others warnings, each time there should be a little more give. Some intros take longer, in your situation( or should I say Singas), a few months even. It sounds like there is a lot of respect for each other, someone maybe stubborn .
post #44 of 59
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As long as they react to each others warnings, each time there should be a little more give. Some intros take longer, in your situation( or should I say Singas), a few months even. It sounds like there is a lot of respect for each other, someone maybe stubborn .
Yeah.. I think she is stubborn. Just now Soleil did her 'haloween walk' towards Singa and Singa just ran away and hid under the dining table At least no hissin
post #45 of 59
Wow.. This is a good thread!

My wife has a cat, Raleigh.. She is 1.5 years old and is not the kindest cat.. I cannot really pet her.. She is very skiddish, etc..

Well, I wanted a kitty I could play with and we though Raleigh needed someone to play with while we were gone..

So, we picked up a new kitty.. Pogue.. She is a 3 month old gray tabby cat..

We just brough Pogue home today and Raleigh is none too happy about the addition, and of course, Pogue does nothing but want to play with Raleigh... Raleigh has only swatted at Pogue once but has been hissing quite a bit..

We really do not want to seperate them, but I guess that is what we are going to have to do..

I was just holding Pogue and Raleigh seemed to be "relaxed" but she is still very apprehensive and kinda lurks around the house...

We just put Pogue on the ground and she ran right up to Ral's, with just hissing from Raleigh..

No real fights yet.. I guess we'll head to Wal-Mart and get another litterbox and water/food tray and give the isolation a shot...

Jeff and Harley
post #46 of 59
I just want to go on record to say that the isolation technique works WONDERS. I would recommend it to everyone and I will most certainly be using this method to bring any new cats into my home.

It's wonderful to see my two cats playing together after only a few days and the older one (who the vet actually diagnosed as having a nervous disorder), is not phased by the little one at all.

It really is an amazing technique and can work if you have the patience! Definitely worth it for the peace of mind of your family and the kitties!
post #47 of 59
Congrats..

We have not seperated our cats yet..

Raleigh (the dominant cat) just used the litterbox, after Pogue did.. Don't know if that's a positive sign or not.. Raleigh also just ate out of the food bowl, after Pogue.. Again, not sure if that is a positive sign or not..

My wife and I are both a little reluctant to use the isolation method, as it seems we're just not motivated enough to run to wal-mart right now and get another litter box/food bowl..

Raleigh hisses and lowly growls at Pogue, but she acts more scared of Pogue than angry at her..

I guess we should really suck it up and go get a litterbox, etc..
post #48 of 59
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Originally Posted by Malakaiii View Post

It's wonderful to see my two cats playing together after only a few days and the older one (who the vet actually diagnosed as having a nervous disorder), is not phased by the little one at all.
What sort of symptoms did your cat have?

Our Raleigh acts extremely nervous, all the time.. She's extremely skittish..
post #49 of 59
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Wow.. This is a good thread!

My wife has a cat, Raleigh.. She is 1.5 years old and is not the kindest cat.. I cannot really pet her.. She is very skiddish, etc..

Well, I wanted a kitty I could play with and we though Raleigh needed someone to play with while we were gone..

So, we picked up a new kitty.. Pogue.. She is a 3 month old gray tabby cat..

We just brough Pogue home today and Raleigh is none too happy about the addition, and of course, Pogue does nothing but want to play with Raleigh... Raleigh has only swatted at Pogue once but has been hissing quite a bit..

We really do not want to seperate them, but I guess that is what we are going to have to do..

I was just holding Pogue and Raleigh seemed to be "relaxed" but she is still very apprehensive and kinda lurks around the house...

We just put Pogue on the ground and she ran right up to Ral's, with just hissing from Raleigh..

No real fights yet.. I guess we'll head to Wal-Mart and get another litterbox and water/food tray and give the isolation a shot...

Jeff and Harley
This is more or less what the situation between Singa and Soleil is at the moment, only that I had tried the isolation for a couple of days. But I have the feeling it is not the smell, but the sight of the little kitten that is freaking Singa out and causing her to hiss and run away
post #50 of 59
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Singa is not hissing anymore, but therefore running away from Soleil as soon as she comes too near.

Soleil is cahsing her all over the place trying to play, but Singa isn't comfi with it yet. But at least no hissing or fighting... But I'm a bit sad that my Singa is so frightend by a little kitten. Tho she is not hiding away. Singa will actually look for Soleil until Soleil jumps towards her. Then Singa will be the inferior (with head down looking up from the side and belly alost turned up)... and then off they go. Singa running front and Soleil at the back... or is it fun play for both?

Soleil is pretty dominant and is really testing her boundries with Singa. She has even started eating her food and Singa is just watchin sadly from the sidelines until I take Soleil to her own food.

Not too sure if that is good or bad...
post #51 of 59
That sounds like exactly what Raleigh and Pogue are going through..

Except right now, we still have hissing from Raleigh..
post #52 of 59
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Originally Posted by Malakaiii View Post
My Pixel is a tuxedo too. She's 14 weeks old.

she's lovely, too! congrats on the intros going well!
post #53 of 59
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What sort of symptoms did your cat have?

Our Raleigh acts extremely nervous, all the time.. She's extremely skittish..
Tak's problems have really died down a lot in the past few months, at least. But what got her the nervous disorder diagnosis was I had gone away for a few weeks and she was living her with my boyfriend (they both always live here). Well I guess she really missed me because once I got home, she would meow CONSTANTLY. At all hours of the day and night. Plus she would tear up the toilet paper, and chew anything plastic (photographs, magazines, bags, etc). And when we took her to the vet, she was highly violent (biting, scratching, snarling). It was a really stressful time for all of us...

The doctor offered to medicate her, but I really didn't want that unless it was necessary. We put her on a strict play-schedule and also started only touching her when she wanted to be touched. It's worked wonders and she's doing pretty good now!

Having the new kitten around has got her a little nervous again, we had an issue with the toilet paper again last night. But all in all, we're doing pretty good!
post #54 of 59
With Jaffa and Mosi it's been a gradual process from tolerating each other to actually liking each other. I've had Mosi for just over 10 months and although there's never been any really bad fighting between them, Jaffa hissed at Mosi whenever he got too close to begin with. Then he accepted him and would groom him but hissed or growled when Mosi got too playful. Then they had a period of getting on well and playing together, but usually at least one moment of hissing/growling each day as a result of Mosi jumping on top of Jaffa wanting to play (or sometimes just challenging him). Things deteriorated a bit as Mosi matured but then improved again and for a while now I've considered them fine together, although we still have a bit of hissing by Jaffa whenever Mosi irritates him. This morning I woke up to find them both on the bed indulging in a spot of mutual grooming which was nice, and the first time I've seen Mosi groom Jaffa. Their relationship is constantly evolving but it is slowly getting better and better. I think they've gone well beyond tolerting each other now and both enjoy the other's company.
post #55 of 59
Ok, Raleigh isn't anything like that.. She just doesn't like to be touched and ALWAYS runs away from me, like I'm chasing her.. Anytime I try and pet her she paws at me, but doesn't really scratch me.. She hisses at EVERYTHING all the time.. I mean, she hisses at the craziest things.. However, when I do play with her, she often rolls over on her back and will let me play with her a little..

My wife says that if she was really pissed at me, she wouldn't roll over on her back like she does, as that is a compromising spot for a cat.. Sorta makes sense, if I was mad at something, I wouldn't flip on my back and let them play with me..

As far as Pogue and Raleigh go.. We have been keeping them seperated, but Raleigh has been curious about the whining behind the door, so I let Pogue out of the room while I was doing some work around the house..

Raleigh still hisses at her, but has not swatted her or anything.. She follows Pogue around the house..

Right now, I am sitting on the couch with Pogue next to me, and Raleigh is asleep in her normal spot about 2 feet behind us on the top of the couch.. She has been lightly growling at both me and Pogue but has not attacked or anything..

Is this a decent sign? I hate keeping my new kitty all cooped up in a room all by herself.. She crys, meows constantly looking for someone.. The minute I let her out, she curls up next to me and goes right to sleep... I also don't want Raleigh to feel like we've slighted her..

This is tough.. I hope it works out..
post #56 of 59
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With Jaffa and Mosi it's been a gradual process from tolerating each other to actually liking each other. I've had Mosi for just over 10 months and although there's never been any really bad fighting between them, Jaffa hissed at Mosi whenever he got too close to begin with. Then he accepted him and would groom him but hissed or growled when Mosi got too playful. Then they had a period of getting on well and playing together, but usually at least one moment of hissing/growling each day as a result of Mosi jumping on top of Jaffa wanting to play (or sometimes just challenging him). Things deteriorated a bit as Mosi matured but then improved again and for a while now I've considered them fine together, although we still have a bit of hissing by Jaffa whenever Mosi irritates him. This morning I woke up to find them both on the bed indulging in a spot of mutual grooming which was nice, and the first time I've seen Mosi groom Jaffa. Their relationship is constantly evolving but it is slowly getting better and better. I think they've gone well beyond tolerting each other now and both enjoy the other's company.
I think this exactly how the realtionship between Singa and Soleil is. I wouldn't call them friends yet. We haven't seen any grooming. Yesterday Singa stopped hissing alltogether. I'm really happy about the development. We have stopped locking Soleil away (which we did at night or when we weren't home, just to be sure nothing happens). And it's really getting better and better every day. Soleil is eating Singa's food, but she seems ok with it

I think what did it for us was that we gradually increased the time the two where out together. Singa was frightened by the sight of Soleil - and especially frightened by Soleil pouncing on her all the time (which she is still not comfi with), but they have started playing without hissing or rough play.

So I guess we made it - we now also have officially 2 cats

Time to celebrate
post #57 of 59
I am so delighted to read all these threads and very pleased that singa and soleil are sort of getting on now!

We have not been so lucky. Our old cat (we are in week 3 now) has been put back into her room during the day, and we let her out at night time when the two kittens are put into the living room. This way at least the older cat gets a wander round the house. Everyone seems very happy with this arrangement of not interacting at all, so we are going to leave it for another week and then try the introductions again, doing all the scent things too and hope that it works - fingers crossed! Otherwise we may have to re-home the older cat as last week she took to really chasing the kittens and hissing and spitting so we couldn't have them together at all. The kittens now hiss back but they are quite a bit smaller than the older cat so they generally run and hide.

But your stories are all cheering me up that this may eventually work! I am going to get some of that feliaway stuff too next week for the introductions!
post #58 of 59
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I am so delighted to read all these threads and very pleased that singa and soleil are sort of getting on now!

We have not been so lucky. Our old cat (we are in week 3 now) has been put back into her room during the day, and we let her out at night time when the two kittens are put into the living room. This way at least the older cat gets a wander round the house. Everyone seems very happy with this arrangement of not interacting at all, so we are going to leave it for another week and then try the introductions again, doing all the scent things too and hope that it works - fingers crossed! Otherwise we may have to re-home the older cat as last week she took to really chasing the kittens and hissing and spitting so we couldn't have them together at all. The kittens now hiss back but they are quite a bit smaller than the older cat so they generally run and hide.

But your stories are all cheering me up that this may eventually work! I am going to get some of that feliaway stuff too next week for the introductions!
Good luck!!! I heard from some that it takes months for them to get along! I really hope for you that it will work out!
post #59 of 59
Ok, well.. I think I may have gotten lucky, no thanks to my impatience..

We introduced Raleigh and Pogue after about 2 days of seperation..

I think we had several positive things happen yesterday.. First, I let Pogue out and she was on the couch with me, well I got up and came back, Pogue was gone.. I went into the bedroom, there she was.. laying RIGHT on Raleighs spot.. Rut roah, I thought.. So I grabbed Pogue and brought her back into the living room with me..

I went back into the bedroom a little later and Raleigh was sleeping as sound as could be, right in the same spot Pogue was laying, so I think she is getting used to her scent..

Also, hissing was at a minimal level yesterday.. Maybe 6 or 7 times...

Well, last night, was the first night we let Pogue out of the safe room at night, while we were sleeping..

Pogue slept on my side of the bed and Raleigh slept on my wifes side of the bed..

Also, I have been sitting on the couch with Pogue all morning, well I got up again.. and again, Pogue was gone.. I went into the bedroom.. Pogue and Ral are both asleep on the bed.. Not cuddled up or anything, but they are sleeping on the same bed, and there is nary any bloodshed..

I think this is going to work! I can't see it getting anyworse than this, and it's going pretty well..
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