Regarding Amber, John and the baby

The other thing that comes to my mind is much more sinister.
I've been in abusive relationships, I know the insane things abusive men pull.
But what if Amber, John and the pregnancy were in fact real, except the broken bones and other 'accident' weren't accidents.

My ex-husband would have been very jealous of my time spent here were we still together.
It would have been right up his alley to post of my death and forbid me from posting anymore.

Originally Posted by Moz

I'm confused too, if it's a hoax, and she never died (or so people have said), and never had a baby.. it's too weird.

ETA: What if Amber really exists and John is someone she made up? This thing infuriates me.

I wish whoever is responsible for this would just tell us the TRUTH!

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or what if - I really shouldnt say this, but if it's too innapropriate, mods just delete it pls - what if Amber really exists, and so does John, but Amber is no longer with us for a different reason, and John needs to make up some excuse for her disappearance - hence the story of her dying in childbirth, ect.

That may sound hugely cynical but what can I say, I know from experience it's a possibility.

I hadn't thought of that Arlyn. Good point.

Originally Posted by Arlyn

The other thing that comes to my mind is much more sinister.
I've been in abusive relationships, I know the insane things abusive men pull.
But what if Amber, John and the pregnancy were in fact real, except the broken bones and other 'accident' weren't accidents.

My ex-husband would have been very jealous of my time spent here were we still together.
It would have been right up his alley to post of my death and forbid me from posting anymore.

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Thats a sad thought, but a possible truth

Is it just me, or did Kaelyn kinda look like Amber? I was also was wondering why the pictures were so blurry and distorted

All in all, I TCS and hope that we never have to deal with this as a community again. There are way too many wonderful people here to hurt like that again. Some people just sicken me!

Originally Posted by Arlyn

The other thing that comes to my mind is much more sinister.
I've been in abusive relationships, I know the insane things abusive men pull.
But what if Amber, John and the pregnancy were in fact real, except the broken bones and other 'accident' weren't accidents.

My ex-husband would have been very jealous of my time spent here were we still together.
It would have been right up his alley to post of my death and forbid me from posting anymore.

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Originally Posted by arcadian girl

or what if - I really shouldnt say this, but if it's too innapropriate, mods just delete it pls - what if Amber really exists, and so does John, but Amber is no longer with us for a different reason, and John needs to make up some excuse for her disappearance - hence the story of her dying in childbirth, ect.

That may sound hugely cynical but what can I say, I know from experience it's a possibility.

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I hadn't thought of that--and I read so many murder/kidnap stories, etc. I sure hope that isn't the case..

Originally Posted by babyharley

Is it just me, or did Kaelyn kinda look like Amber? I was also was wondering why the pictures were so blurry and distorted

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She had dark hair like Amber. The pictures could've been blurry due to a camera phone or a really bad/old digital camera.

Originally Posted by arcadian girl

or what if - I really shouldnt say this, but if it's too innapropriate, mods just delete it pls - what if Amber really exists, and so does John, but Amber is no longer with us for a different reason, and John needs to make up some excuse for her disappearance - hence the story of her dying in childbirth, ect.

That may sound hugely cynical but what can I say, I know from experience it's a possibility.

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Y'know I just logged back in to say the exact same thing

I worked on a tarot line for afew of months,afew years back and we had a call from
somebody saying explicit things re: abuse/violence regarding her partner,while she
was 'online' we could hear her screams,Luckily all the calls were recorded and by law
we had to report it to the police.
The police went round to the house and found her in a very bad way.
I think all the details of this 'story' should be passed to the police for investigation.
At the very least it could be fraud at the very worst........well........??

Originally Posted by kluchetta

Alycia - how do you suppose it is that you have an actual phone number for her? I wonder if it's sort of all half true and someone got in over their head. I must also admit for just a sneaking minute at the very beginning of the "Amber is Gone" thread, I thought, "she's having him make this up to see if anyone would miss her." But I thought that was a pretty sick thing to think.

Hope - thanks for the hope. And I must say that it actually makes me just love all the people here more than ever.

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Originally Posted by kluchetta

The address that was given was for a convenience store, but Alycia (and others) apparently have spoken to her on the phone.

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I was reluctant to post this because I didn't want this thread to keep going... Hoping it will just go away...
I have talked to Amber on MANY occasions. Matter of fact, I spoke with her one night until 2am because she was worried about the baby not moving..
I called the phone number last night from my work cell phone.... Here's what happened.. ..

Amber: Hello?
Me: Yes, is Amber there?
Amber: Yeah who's this?
Me: Hi, I'm Rina from Modern Cruises... I would like to offer you..
Amber: *hangs up*


Amber has a VERY thick southern accent and I would recognize anywhere..

It wasn't too much later that Tammy recieved an email from John saying he was going to have the cell phone shut off because it was Amber's.


I'm hoping this thread gets closed now..We all have a closure to this.
Let's just let it go and move on.

Originally Posted by DixieDarlin256

I was reluctant to post this because I didn't want this thread to keep going... Hoping it will just go away...
I have talked to Amber on MANY occasions. Matter of fact, I spoke with her one night until 2am because she was worried about the baby not moving..
I called the phone number last night from my work cell phone.... Here's what happened.. ..

Amber: Hello?
Me: Yes, is Amber there?
Amber: Yeah who's this?
Me: Hi, I'm Rina from Modern Cruises... I would like to offer you..
Amber: *hangs up*


Amber has a VERY thick southern accent and I would recognize anywhere..

It wasn't too much later that Tammy recieved an email from John saying he was going to have the cell phone shut off because it was Amber's.


I'm hoping this thread gets closed now..We all have a closure to this.
Let's just let it go and move on.

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with all due respect, I understand you want closure, but there are those of us who have just come upon this story.. not all of us come here everyday. I dont think anyone is purposely trying to prolong it, but those of us who've just found out about it are logically going to want to discuss it, just like those of you who found out about it as it was happening.

That said... I suppose your phone call to her does put ::some:: closure on it. We know she's not dead, but we'll never know what really went down. She just never seemed like the kind of person to... meh, I dunno. It's just all really, really strange.

To be quite honest I just don't know what to think.

I guess I am just as gullible as the rest of the people here, I believed her and I believed John too. There was something in the back of my mind though that just wouldn't let me understand something. I just kept thinking that doctors keep up with everything that is wrong with you while you are pregnant. I mean they watch stuff close.

And then when I first read about Amber, it made me so sad, then it made me so scared because DesirÃ[emoji]169[/emoji]e is gonna have a baby, and I thought what if something like that could happen to her. And it just scared me to death.

So I just don't know what to think.

I can tell everyone here that I am who I am. I don't tell lies, and when I post something, you can bet it is the truth. Neet knows me, not just online either. We have been online friends for about 3 years or so, but we met in person (I think), almost two years ago. I love her and Dave dearly, and she knows me and she will tell you the same thing, I do not lie.

I just never heard of people pretending to die. I guess I am just stupid. I don't know, I just don't know what to think.

I do know that if I am accused of something, I will defend myself. And I guess that is what is making me think that this is a hoax. If it were true I (john) would be calling some of the people that Amber had talked to, on the phone and stuff, and I would be telling them my side of the story. There is no way on God's green earth, would I have ever backed down or bowed out of the picture.

I would be on this site, posting my butt off and telling everyone here that I was telling the truth.

Like I said before, I just want everyone here to know me and know who I am and what kind of person I am.

I hope this doesn't sound nasty, but aren't we beating a dead horse here. I mean trying to justify, trying to blame and trying to make sense of the entire situation is getting us nowhere.
I think if anything is going to come to "Light" either Amber or John or whoever has to clear the air and that almost definitely won't happen.

I am at peace that I have been played like a fiddle. I should have "Dupe" tattooed to my head.

Yeah,Thats enough for me

Lets close this old chapter now.


Scumbags that they are

Guys, I think that we can "what if..." this story into the ground, but the truth is we probably won't ever know the real story. All you are doing is frustrating yourselves more and more and growing angrier by the minute.

I think that all we can take away from this is the knowledge that TCS is a very supportive place where people do make real friendships, stick together, and look out for eachother. Everyone banded together to help this couple, and then when the story changed, everyone has banded together to support eachother through the pain and frustration of being mislead.

At the end of the day, this could have been so much worse. I know that the thought of someone actually having the audacity to become a member of TCS, being welcomed with open arms, and spending months on here developing friendships based on deceit is difficult to comprehend... but why not turn this into a positive thing. If you planned to donate money to your local humane society in Amber's honor... why not still do so? If you planned to send a gift, why not purchase something for a local shelter or orphanage? That baby blanket you made, Tammy... why not send it on to a children's hospital? Because there are people out there who need these items... good people. It may not be Kaelyn, but there is someone out there in just as dire need. You will feel so good knowing that you have done the right thing. Don't let the wrong doing of a few bring you down

Originally Posted by arcadian girl

with all due respect, I understand you want closure, but there are those of us who have just come upon this story.. not all of us come here everyday. I dont think anyone is purposely trying to prolong it, but those of us who've just found out about it are logically going to want to discuss it, just like those of you who found out about it as it was happening.

That said... I suppose your phone call to her does put ::some:: closure on it. We know she's not dead, but we'll never know what really went down. She just never seemed like the kind of person to... meh, I dunno. It's just all really, really strange.

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That is the way I feel too, when I left to go to work this morning, there was nothing about this here, I leave my house to go to work at 6:15 a.m.

So I am just finding out about this

Originally Posted by Sibohan2005

I hope this doesn't sound nasty, but aren't we beating a dead horse here. I mean trying to justify, trying to blame and trying to make sense of the entire situation is getting us nowhere.
I think if anything is going to come to "Light" either Amber or John or whoever has to clear the air and that almost definitely won't happen.

I am at peace that I have been played like a fiddle. I should have "Dupe" tattooed to my head.

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The stuff that Alycia and Nikki, Anne, et al posted are closure enough for me.

Maybe I'm just jaded as I've had a lot of people lie to me in the past about who they are and stories they tell. To me though, people lie. Many people do. Its because they're bored, sick or all of the above. You just cut your loses and move on.

i'm sure the mods can lock this thread so that no one else can post, but all can read.

Originally Posted by Sibohan2005

I should have "Dupe" tattooed to my head.

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I think we all feel that way, to a certain degree. Even I do, and I've only spoken to her a couple times on the board, and was not here when the thread was made about her death, ect ect. Still, I read a lot of her threads, and I never thought she was other than what she said she was.

Squirtle - I'm not becoming frustrated or angry - this is simply the first I've heard of this, and I'm trying to understand what happened as much as I am able.

Originally Posted by LSULOVER

That is the way I feel too, when I left to go to work this morning, there was nothing about this here, I leave my house to go to work at 6:15 a.m.

So I am just finding out about this

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Yes, I really don't intend to prolong the agony for anyone else, but I can't just move on after 5 minutes! I supposed that's what I get for letting the whole story get to me all weekend. But I'll just try & take away from it all the caring people we have here - and no matter what "happened" we've all still got each other. And pray for poor Tammy, I'm sure she is devastated.

I would like to say i am shocked,But that was my first thought.
i really thought they had broken up. and he was just causing trouble.
i was willing to go along and be nice, even with the tick in back of my head
telling me not to trust it.

i am glad that the truth came out.

I haven't been able to read enough of all the sections to know everyone well, just not enough time.

But I was so sad, and if this hasn't really happened...well, in a weird way, I am glad. Glad there isn't a baby who has lost it's mom, glad there isn't a young woman not able to see her child grow up.

If it was a hoax...I do believe in karma, and it isn't going to change how I approach folks. I know from experience on another forum, that some folks you meet are real, some are not...in part because they can't face who they are, and they need the fiction they present. Heck, I married a man I met online...but I did have a way to verify he was who he said.

This has been, and will remain (I hope) a wonderful community. It is based on us, and we all know we are good folk

Originally Posted by DixieDarlin256

I was reluctant to post this because I didn't want this thread to keep going... Hoping it will just go away...
I have talked to Amber on MANY occasions. Matter of fact, I spoke with her one night until 2am because she was worried about the baby not moving..
I called the phone number last night from my work cell phone.... Here's what happened.. ..

Amber: Hello?
Me: Yes, is Amber there?
Amber: Yeah who's this?
Me: Hi, I'm Rina from Modern Cruises... I would like to offer you..
Amber: *hangs up*


Amber has a VERY thick southern accent and I would recognize anywhere..

It wasn't too much later that Tammy recieved an email from John saying he was going to have the cell phone shut off because it was Amber's.


I'm hoping this thread gets closed now..We all have a closure to this.
Let's just let it go and move on.

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I think this would have been nice to know earlier in the thread. Here members are wondering if Amber even exisited.


So Amber does exist & is alive from the call you had with her?!
The story of her death is a hoax.
Who knows who John is.
Is that the story in a nutshell?

Originally Posted by Arlyn

The other thing that comes to my mind is much more sinister.
I've been in abusive relationships, I know the insane things abusive men pull.
But what if Amber, John and the pregnancy were in fact real, except the broken bones and other 'accident' weren't accidents.

My ex-husband would have been very jealous of my time spent here were we still together.
It would have been right up his alley to post of my death and forbid me from posting anymore.

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Im sorry but for some reason thats what I was thinking....I mean as bad as it is, what if Amber was pg and John killed her and the baby? I mean none of us truly know!!