Regarding Amber, John and the baby

I got into my profile, but didn't see anything there to be able to make invisible or delete.

Stupid me, I gave him the Medal of Honor. I'd like it gone, please. Can some one help me?

what a yucky thread. but of course it happens. i'm unsure why someone would do it - but at least i just said my condolences and passed on.

Originally Posted by KittenKiya

I got into my profile, but didn't see anything there to be able to make invisible or delete.

Stupid me, I gave him the Medal of Honor. I'd like it gone, please. Can some one help me?

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I don't think you can do anything to remove the one from his profile, unfortunately. You can only edit your own.

Originally Posted by maddensmom

I like many others would be glad to provide proof that I am who I say I am to those that I have become friends with on here. I would hate for this trajedy to cause us all to turn against each other in times of need.

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I think if I got desperate enough I'd take a picture of me beside the TCS forum page, holding a sign saying "I'M MOZ!"

Well, no offense guys but I don't really want to tell the entire of TCS exactly who I am, where I live etc etc And be careful who you do tell that or they can rip your identity!

Wow. Go offline and lots happens!

Nikki? Kudos to you and the others for looking things up.
Hope is right. The events just showed how great this forum is.

We'll all be taken in at one time or another by a hoax.

BTW - pjk5900 is real and I posted a link to her mom's obituary today.

OK Here goes....(I'll take the brunt of this)

I was the who initially contacted the hospitals and morgues along with Nikki.. Matter of fact, Nikki didn't know until I told her. I obtained information from John himself of what hospital they were supposedly at. When I called, there were no records of death or birth for Amber or the baby. I even called the morgue at he hospitals and the county morgue. Still, no records. John confided in another member of TCS that he was going to shut down all communications including cell phones, emails, and leave TCS, after he was confronted about the proof.
His story changed a couple of times when asked the same question by different people but stuck with the story he told THAT person. (Does that make sense?)
I myself tried to call John on 3 different occasions. The first time, I got a voicemail. 2nd time, someone picked up and hung up, 3rd time, a man answered and when I asked for John, they hung up.

I know this comes as a hard blow to us all. But we must all remember that when you're on the internet, you're allowed to be anyone you want to be, even if this means lying, deciet and false identities.
If it were to turn out it's true, then I would be the first to apologize. But unfortunatly, there is more evidence proving it's a hoax.
Just to prove one point:
John said not to send flowers because he's severely allergic. But yet in the bery FIRST pic posted of "the baby" you can clearly see roses sitting on the table in the background along with a box of candy.
Too many things don't add up.

I think the best thing to do is to let it all go. Don't dwell on it and chaulk it up to a learning experience.
It makes you colder and less trusting of people but unfortunatly, that's the way the world is today. Especially with the internet.

I'd just like to thank those who informed us it was a hoax, so we all didn't send "them" tons of money. A few good things came out of this though--a few people helping shelters and I think we all learned something.

In my first post, I didn't thank those that put the work into figuring out it was a hoax. Shocking or not, I really think Nikki and DixieDarlin deserve kudos for ensuring that no one got taken any further with the scam.

Thanks for putting the time and effort into this!

Laurie

Originally Posted by LDG

In my first post, I didn't thank those that put the work into figuring out it was a hoax. Shocking or not, I really think Nikki and DixieDarlin deserve kudos for ensuring that no one got taken any further with the scam.

Thanks for putting the time and effort into this!

Laurie

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Agreed. Thank you girls!!

Originally Posted by LDG

In my first post, I didn't thank those that put the work into figuring out it was a hoax. Shocking or not, I really think Nikki and DixieDarlin deserve kudos for ensuring that no one got taken any further with the scam.

Thanks for putting the time and effort into this!

Laurie

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There is one more member who deserves credit also. But it is up to her wether she wants people to know or not..

Originally Posted by DixieDarlin256

There is one more member who deserves credit also. But it is up to her wether she wants people to know or not..

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Thank you mystery member!

Laurie

In my state, hospitals and morgues aren't allowed to give out information about who is staying there (due to HIPAA, which I believe is a national law). There would be no way to verify that Amber was or wasn't at the hospital, and it's possible that the people answer the phones saying "no, they aren't here" instead of "I can't give out that information" (I've had that said to my husband about my own mother when she didn't think to give the hospital my husband's name, my husband said they told him she wasn't there). And I also know that obits aren't published for every death in my area, either... so that wouldn't be a sure indication. Searching the internet for a person is tricky... not everyone is in the phone book, even! I wouldn't rely on internet records to confirm someone's existence or not. The only thing that would come close would be to do a search for an address... those usually come up, and you can find out if an address is commercial or residential.

Regardless of that, I do think it was a hoax and I didn't post in her threads because of my suspicions. The whole situation just seemed off to me. I am told I have good intuition about people... who knows.

I feel bad for all of you that mourned for her and the baby... just remember what a large community this is, and that anything can happen!

Wow! I also feel really gullible! I don't post on here a lot but I do read the threads and I burst out crying when I heard Amber "died". It was such a sad story and my heart broke for a motherless baby! I find it hard to imagine that someone would get a thrill out of making something like this up. I don't think I'll tell my DH this was a hoax cuz he's going to say "I told you so" as he questioned whether it was real. I'm usually pretty cautious about things, but I sure got sucked up in this! Live and learn I guess.

I guess I am hoping that this is a hoax, cause then the worst that happened is that a bunch of wonderful kind people cared.... But if it's the truth, then a little girl will grow up and never know the love of a mother, and a family is grieving for the loss of their daughter....I guess us crying and shedding tears and having compassion is the lesser of two evils.

One of the things that I thought was strange when Amber 1st started posting was how she had aired all of her dirty laundry online. I mean, we may let you into our personal lives, but some of it was a little Jerry Springer, and I kept thinking, "why would she tell everyone that?" but chocked it up to her being only 20. When I told my DH about her "death" I was fighting back tears, as I have recently lost a pregnant friend, whose baby didn't survive, but left behind a 4yr old daughter....my DH said "wait, what? He's posting online, with a baby in the hospital, and his fiance just died?" I just thought he was lonely and needed someone, and sometimes it's easier to turn to people online, cause you don't get judged so much.... but it's a sin and a shame that someone would or could do that to such a wonderful place. And all of this outpouring of love & support just solidifies to me how great tcs really is. You guys are a wonderful community, and I am happy to be a part of it.

My question might have been addresed but What is going to stop this person or persons from rejoining under another name and laughing at us from a distance. Can the Mods trace his IP address and ban him or somthing??

Originally Posted by Sibohan2005

My question might have been addresed but What is going to stop this person or persons from rejoining under another name and laughing at us from a distance. Can the Mods trace his IP address and ban him or somthing??

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Good point.

I guess it is too much to hope for that this person would come back and apologize to everyone huh?

I don't know what to think about all of this. I was very upset on Friday when I heard the news, and still continue to be affected by it.

I want you to know some things about me.

1) I work in the death industry. I give people advice about funeral options, end of life care options, alternative funerals/burial etc. so I do know a little bit about the subject.

2) If I died, I would not have an obituary anywhere. I have specified that I do not want one, as it costs money and I would rather that people I knew were informed personally.

3) If a hospital were involved (and I would rather die at home given the option), they would not give a third party ANY details about a death, at least this is true for the UK. You can't even phone up to ask if someone has been admitted, you just won't be given the option. Unless the cause of death were uncertain and required a coroner's inquest, my body would not go to a morgue, my next of kin would collect me direct from my hospital bed.

4) A funeral home/undertaker would not be involved in the proceedings at all, because I have specified that I am to be laid out by my nearest and dearest in my own home and then taken to a private burial site in a private vehicle, so there would be no record of my funeral at a funeral directors/undertaker.

5) Obituaries in the papers can take weeks to be published.

6) Coroner's inquests can take weeks.

7) Very few people on this site know even my first name, and I would never give out further information. My husband Nate has been targetted by UK based Nazi websites in the recent past and therefore we keep our identities private, for fear of violence against us.

8) Grief affects people in different ways, I know this only too well through my work. Some people want to curl up and hide, others need to talk about it, sometimes in the strangest places. Grief is an individual thing, there is no right or wrong.

My point is, that I am real, but I would leave very little to go on if I died, other than Nate's word. There would be no obit, hospitals wouldn't give out information, there would be no morgue or funeral director, I would be buried on private land, and no-one would be able to trace my real details.

I'm not saying that this isn't a hoax, but I am pointing out that there is a possibility that such things can fall beneath the radar of 'official' records, at least (in the UK at least) until a record of burial has been made and the death certificate registered. And if this happened to me, and you didn't know my full name, good luck on finding out any details, because you won't get very far!

In a way, I hope it IS a hoax, because the situation as described was so tragic, but I don't like to think that anyone could go to such lengths for attention. If that is the case I hope they can get counselling.

Okay, I was shocked to read this, and since I am still new to the internet, I had no idea that people did this, though I have to admit, I do feel better about not giving money to individuals on another forum (though I now know them better, and have a real address for them ).

I wanted to believe that there was still a slight chance that it was not a hoax, but now I guess, sad as it makes me, it probably was . We had a 6 week preemie baby, and she was trotted off to the NICU right after they snapped the quickest pic (2 secs, top) in history of me "holding" her (she was crying pretty well). The NICU we were in (and all the pics of ones I've seen) there are no blinds like that, it was almost always kept at "twilight" in the NICU, no sunshine peering through ANYWHERE. I don't remember any flowers (the flowers went to my room, NOT the NICU) I would think that would be a good way to introduce germs, and there certainly weren't any bed tray tables in the room! Plus, when you have a preemie, one of the first things they preach at you is "HATS, HATS, HATS!" (preemies have trouble keeping their temp up). The only pics we have of our daughter in the hospital without a hat are of her on the warming bed. However, just for the record , in most of her pics, if you can't see the bottom of her blanket, you couldn't see the monitor wires.

*sigh*- My husband already bemoans the fact that I'm gulible, I hate to tell him I've done it again.