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Obama and the "madrassa"

post #1 of 25
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The mudslinging has begun: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/...ssa/index.html Given the original source of the story (Insight/Washington Times), do you think the Clinton camp is behind it?
post #2 of 25
i saw that also, It made me laugh.
In general you will only find those(hard line schools) outside of the large cites. But how many people in the US would know that?

I would have no doubts that someone was trying to get him kicked out of the race early.
post #3 of 25
Even if the story were true, so what? He was a small child! Since when do we blame people for what their parents do to them? And then he spent two years at a Catholic school. He probably learnt more fundamentalism there, if of a different nature, than at the Muslim school. I think it is good that people are trying for office with a multicultural (as opposed to just minority/multiracial) background. It might give them more tolerance and understanding for others.
post #4 of 25
The Clinton camp can probably be blamed for a LOT more than this. Their propoganda machine must take up most of Arkansas.
post #5 of 25
Someone OBVIOUSLY didn't do their homework.

There are translations for Madrassas...in general it is just translated to be "school" whether its religious or not. Like the article said, only in Pakistan and Afghanistan do they teach hate there (esp. for the U.S or Western culture).

Who cares anyways??? I'm sure half the american population doesn't know what a Madrassa is or heard the term.
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
The Clinton camp can probably be blamed for a LOT more than this. Their propoganda machine must take up most of Arkansas.
The article did mention "right wing conspiracy" - that's a vintage Hillary response
post #7 of 25
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Like the article said, only in Pakistan and Afghanistan do they teach hate there (esp. for the U.S or Western culture).

Who cares anyways??? I'm sure half the american population doesn't know what a Madrassa is or heard the term.
that part was wrong. the indo gov raided more then one school out in the smaller towns for teaching hate. when i was living there. where they found guns, bombs etc.

but are right, Really this was a attempt to get his name out there in a negtive light to the amerian people who dont know him. I admit i dont know much him. accept he gave a good speech and that he has a sense of hurmor at least in the TV spot he did for the football game.
post #8 of 25
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that part was wrong. the indo gov raided more then one school out in the smaller towns for teaching hate. when i was living there. where they found guns, bombs etc.

but are right, Really this was a attempt to get his name out there in a negtive light to the amerian people who dont know him. I admit i dont know much him. accept he gave a good speech and that he has a sense of hurmor at least in the TV spot he did for the football game.
He's probably no worse than most of the rest of us. At least he didn't deny trying drugs like some people did... Might be honest to a fault....
post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 
I tried to access the Insight story, but apparently it's only open to subscribers. The Washington Times is conservative, as is Fox, so I really wonder about the "Clinton camp" accusations. Could this be a double smear campaign?
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
I tried to access the Insight story, but apparently it's only open to subscribers. The Washington Times is conservative, as is Fox, so I really wonder about the "Clinton camp" accusations. Could this be a double smear campaign?
Hmmm... leak it yourself so it looks like they did it, cause they always do stuff like that...
post #11 of 25
Ahhhh... American politics is so full of negative campaigning that I often wonder what the candidates are in favour of
I just want Bush rid of but I reckon that Iraq is such a mess that it will be a while before the troops come home
post #12 of 25
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Ahhhh... American politics is so full of negative campaigning that I often wonder what the candidates are in favour of
I suppose it could have been a question of poor research, though I doubt it. Most Americans would assume that if religion were taught, it was a private school. Religion isn't taught in U.S. public schools, so somebody might have been jumping to conclusions. That's a kind interpretation, though.
post #13 of 25
What would the Right have to gain by smearing him now? It's way too early for the GOP to start mudslinging, especially since there is no real clear frontrunner. Coming from the Clinton camp would make more sense since at the moment he's the biggest obstacle for her to clear to get the nomination. Face it - he is much more charismatic than she is, and she obviously knows how much that is good for. Her husband is a clear example of that.

But of course we'll blame it on the Right. EVERYTHING is the right's fault! LOL
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
that part was wrong. the indo gov raided more then one school out in the smaller towns for teaching hate. when i was living there. where they found guns, bombs etc.

but are right, Really this was a attempt to get his name out there in a negtive light to the amerian people who dont know him. I admit i dont know much him. accept he gave a good speech and that he has a sense of hurmor at least in the TV spot he did for the football game.
Thanks!

From what I had learned was mostly focused on the middle east. Most of the students from the middle east in the class said that Iran and Iraq's Madrassas are nothing like the Pakistan/Afghanistan Madrassas, except *maybe* in very remote villages.

Otherwise the ones in the cities are strict, but their more about teaching the studies rather than hate.
post #15 of 25
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What would the Right have to gain by smearing him now? It's way too early for the GOP to start mudslinging, especially since there is no real clear frontrunner. Coming from the Clinton camp would make more sense since at the moment he's the biggest obstacle for her to clear to get the nomination. Face it - he is much more charismatic than she is, and she obviously knows how much that is good for. Her husband is a clear example of that.

But of course we'll blame it on the Right. EVERYTHING is the right's fault! LOL
It starts on both sides well before anyone has announced their candidacy. Both within party, and between party.

Seems to me politics are all about who is the best at the middle-school rumor mill, and who can find the most skeletons in the closet. And if you can't find them, make them up or exaggerate things that worded differently would be not a big deal.

I don't believe anything I hear either way about any of them, unless it has to do with what they've done in their public life. For instance, the former secretary of the interior under Bush left the job and became a big-wig in one of the industries she was supposed to be regulating--- stuff like that should make us mad, and happens all the time, but the press is too busy talking about where Barack Obama went to preschool and Mary Cheney being a lesbian.
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
Here's what Snopes has to say about the "radical Muslim" claims:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
post #17 of 25
I think it's safe to characterize the Washington Times as being as conservative as the Washington Post is liberal.
post #18 of 25
Hmmmm...before it was in the newspaper, I heard it on a Boston talk radio station - I think it was immediately after Obama announced his candidacy - that the Clinton camp ( I am sure Hillary would NEVER be part of something like this. Yeah, right! ) had unearthed this information and leaked it. Well, just about this time next year we will probably know who the two candidates will be. It seems that in today's political climate candidates are chosen before most of us even get to listen to them and arrive at a thoughtful. serious decision. Why has this happened? Why can we no longer have candidates campaigning and debating during the primaries? Sorry, I just had to vent...this from a resident from the "first in the nation" state!
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Here's what Snopes has to say about the "radical Muslim" claims:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
I loves Snopes- its like my favourite website to pass time at work along with PerryBibleFellowship
Argument over as far as I am concerned
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
But of course we'll blame it on the Right. EVERYTHING is the right's fault! LOL
And I thought that everything was Clinton's fault!

I saw the Fox report on it. They made it sound like Madrassa was a school for terrorists. They also claimed that the Clinton's leaked the story. Sorry, I think it's the media playing up a non-existant story.
post #21 of 25
oh yea, i just wanted to add. madrassa madrama is a kind of islamic school run by tradition in the villages they ussually free or very low cost charge runs by pondok pesantren which is a group that teaches Islam. curriculum is more on the religion than the regular science. Which may explain why he was not there long.

or as itta put it=Islamic boarding school

lol but anyway who cares really, I just thought i would look into the meaning of the word.



post #22 of 25
I heard some speculation on NPR that if Hillary comes out as a forerunner, that she may try to get Obama to be her running mate... if that is the case, why try to smear his reputation so early in the game?

I like Obama, but I haven't really had a chance to get to know any of the candidates enough to decide who to support. It has crossed my mind that someone with the name Barrack Hussein Obama might have a really difficult time getting elected... It's unfortunate, but we'll see how things go. Maybe people aren't as prone to knee-jerk reactions as I am guessing.
post #23 of 25
I think a bit part of the confusion comes from the fact that in Arabic the word "Madrasa" simply means "School". I went to a madrasa in the sense that I went to a school as a child, as did most other non-home schooled people of the world. It does not mean a specifically religious school.
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post #25 of 25
Insight is still standing by its story, which is what Fox News used and cited in their discussion (note, it was NOT reported as news, it was part of a roundtable discussion that they regularly have, with opinions voiced from both sides of the aisle). And they never said the information came directly from Clinton herself. They said someone from the "Clinton staff" (or something to that effect), which could easily number in the hundreds already for her re-election bid alone. IF it did come from the Clinton Camp, it would tarnish her image, but frankly if the person came forward and claimed that it was their sole idea to get her ahead in the polls, it would all be forgotten in a couple weeks, let alone by the time Primaries roll around.
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