There is a huge difference between a spanking and a beating, that is what the anti-spanking people don't seem to realize.
And Norway probably has a few million people, we have 300 hundred million.
what difference does it make how many ppl there are in the US and Norway? because we have more children, they are not as valuable as individuals?
their stance isn't so much about telling ppl how to raise their kids, but about letting ppl know that in their country, children are valued as much as adults-
we would not let someone hit us and say, oh thats ok
same thing with children. the law is NOT "no parent should ever strike a child" its NO one should ever strike a child
dont know why ANYone would object to that.
the defensiveness about retaining parental rights is a bit frightening to me.
what i see all around me, here, is parents who left parenting to the schools, the kids peers and the TV etc
they dont have the time for their kids. in some cases this is because both parents (where there are two parents, thats another thing thats disappearing, sadly) have to work.
there are parents who want to be "friend" with their kids and thats absurd as well, your children need parents. and teaching from the parents.
i see ppl not teaching their kids the basic values and rules of society and then when they get out of control, resorting to "spanking".
or parents who can think of no other way to deal with a toddler than to smack them anytime they do something "wrong", which, from what i have seen (thats all i can go by afterall) is more for "bothering" the parents, than anything truly "wrong".
i can understand day care workers and teachers being totally fed up with the way kids are arriving at schools today, with no discipline, no real parenting and no idea of what is expected of them. the teachers are trying to fill the void left by absentee parents and then trying to teach as well, plus in younger and younger kids, dealing with the vilolence thats taken over our schools
but i think it makes more sense to insist that parents who can not find other ways to discipline their children, seek guidance and parenting classes. i seriously doubt that with the back log of case in the courts, that ppl are going to rush to prosecute someone seen smacking the butt of a child to make him/her sit down in the shopping cart carriage in the store, for example (mroe often i see parents oblivious to the fact that their two year old is standing on the seat in peril of falling out)
we are talking about hypotheticals here. the only use i can see for a law like this is to get parents who repeatedly resort to spanking as a means of "discipline" into some classes and perhaps counselling if this is how they were raised in their own families and therefore never learned any different.
there are studies about studies that show that the only thing spanking a child produces is an angry child, who has to repress his emotions and who then feels helpless. if his parents can't control their anger, how is he supposed to learn how to control his?
now i dont want to make anyone feel even more defensive but the ppl who insist that they were not harmed by spankings and who are so adamantly defending their right to spank as they see fit,
seem to me to be quite angry
and seem to feel that perhaps their control may be taken away by an angry govt out to punish them if they do not parent the way the govt feels they should....
just an idea, NOT saying this is the case, but maybe something to think about, if you can put your defensiveness aside.
truth is, MOST parents are allowed to parent how they wish, even if that means not parenting at all. and look where that has got us!!
society is suffering for it, and rather than look at the real reasons for the problem we are looking for some one to blame
when the solution is right there in front of us. its not easy and its not a quick fix, but real parenting, teaching a child what is ok and what is not, teaching a child to RESPECT ppl.- that single lesson goes a LONG way to prevent behavoirs that harm others.
but i think we need to put respecting the children on the same plane as we ourselves expect to be respected.
if you treat your child with respect, this law has no impact on you whatsoever
but for those parents who have gone astray or who simply do not know effective ways of parenting, if it is coupled with mandatory parenting classes instead of jail time, it might be useful. (i still dont see the need for it but lets say the fool thing passes- and i still havent' read it so i guess i shouldnt comment on it,eh? :P)
ppl who actually DO abuse their children, unless the abuse does not result in death or is not long term , THEY rarely end up in prison.
sorry to be so long winded, understandably this is a hot button topic for me