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Things like this should be regulated...IMO

post #1 of 28
1/14/07 at 12:00pm
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I just saw a commercial for this and I was thinking this would be a great tool for hubby. But then they showed a guy sawing through a lock. Now, I realize sometimes a locksmith is in order and this would be a cheap and easy fix. But what about those people who are just trying to steal something?! My storage building is only secure by a lock like the one they show cutting through. In my opinion their helping thieves by creating a tool that can do this. And therefore should be banned or else somehow regulated.

Here is the tool I'm talking about.
http://www.mxzsaw.com/
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post #2 of 28
1/14/07 at 12:03pm
I've seen this before on TV, but I guess I never thought about that before?
Sometimes I wonder how well these kinda knives/saw's really work!
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post #3 of 28
1/14/07 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by babyharley View Post
I've seen this before on TV, but I guess I never thought about that before?
Sometimes I wonder how well these kinda knives/saw's really work!
Yeah I suppose they could not work. But then that would be false advertising. It looks like it would take awhile to saw through. So that would give the person a bit of time. But in a storage building where no one is really at unless your putting stuff in or taking out you have all the time you need. Mine IS videotaped each day but that still doesn't protect it from the actual theft.
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post #4 of 28
1/14/07 at 12:18pm
Bolt cutters would do a better job and they work in a matter of seconds! You can buy those easy enough. I don't think it would be possible to regulat everything that could be possibly used to perpetrate a crime.

On a sad side note, as soon as that advert started playing, my hubby came in to check it out. He's such a Shopping Channel adict!
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post #5 of 28
1/14/07 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by pushylady View Post
Bolt cutters would do a better job and they work in a matter of seconds! You can buy those easy enough. I don't think it would be possible to regulat everything that could be possibly used to perpetrate a crime.

On a sad side note, as soon as that advert started playing, my hubby came in to check it out. He's such a Shopping Channel adict!
ROFL Sorry I guess I'm to blame. But your right there are others out there...and it would be hard to totally regulate it... Perhaps just not advertising that it can do it!
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post #6 of 28
1/14/07 at 12:28pm
Yea, there are a whole lot of things that can be used to pick a lock. Locks, of any kind, are better thought of as a deterrent than as a fail-safe. If you have valuable things in that storage shed, you'd be a lot better off putting them in a safety deposit box.
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post #7 of 28
1/14/07 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Yea, there are a whole lot of things that can be used to pick a lock. Locks, of any kind, are better thought of as a deterrent than as a fail-safe. If you have valuable things in that storage shed, you'd be a lot better off putting them in a safety deposit box.
They wouldn't fit. Hubby's Kiss collection is in there. And his tools.
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post #8 of 28
1/14/07 at 1:49pm
I once had what I thought was a brilliant idea for a bicycle lock, one that would be extremely difficult to saw through. When I tried to see who might be interested, I learned that bycycle thieves do not saw through locks-they do not want to spend the time fiddling with something and potentially get caught. What they do is to use this freeze spray which embrittles the lock and then they hit it with hammer so it shatters.

At any rate they thieves want do do their thing quickly so I think that most thieves would not be that interested. Unless they have reason to think that they have all the time in the world. Boltcutters are faster.
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post #9 of 28
1/14/07 at 6:20pm
a thief will go the quickest route to get the job done.

I do agree though about what they should start to filter though. I guess CourtTV has had a big stink with some investigative businesses. Some shows demonstrate how they fingerprint a car for example, so thieves are now stopping at garbage bins to grab random sandwich rappers and stuff to increase the amount of fingerprints at a crime scene.
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post #10 of 28
1/14/07 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
I do agree though about what they should start to filter though. I guess CourtTV has had a big stink with some investigative businesses. Some shows demonstrate how they fingerprint a car for example, so thieves are now stopping at garbage bins to grab random sandwich rappers and stuff to increase the amount of fingerprints at a crime scene.
Yeah, you gotta wonder about all the forensics shows out there now. I know for sure that I'm learning a lot, so you can bet there's criminals out there taking notes and using them.
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post #11 of 28
1/14/07 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by pushylady View Post
Yeah, you gotta wonder about all the forensics shows out there now. I know for sure that I'm learning a lot, so you can bet there's criminals out there taking notes and using them.
Yes but those shows are also misleading a lot of times. You learn a lot when you become a juror. That's one of the first things the judge told us when we first started our term. Those shows do a lot of stuff that in the real world wouldn't happen.
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post #12 of 28
1/14/07 at 6:46pm
I definitely agree with you. There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many burgularies and thefts in Memphis.....so the last thing we need around here is one more tool to make it easier for the bad guys to do their "jobs" I think it should be regulated and sold only to certain people/organizations. I'm sure some people wouldn't like that idea- but hey, haha come live in Memphis for a while and you'll change your mind in a heartbeat.
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post #13 of 28
1/15/07 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Yea, there are a whole lot of things that can be used to pick a lock. Locks, of any kind, are better thought of as a deterrent than as a fail-safe. If you have valuable things in that storage shed, you'd be a lot better off putting them in a safety deposit box.
My father likes to say that locks only keep the honest people out. It's sad, but true.
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post #14 of 28
1/15/07 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by Mirinae View Post
My father likes to say that locks only keep the honest people out. It's sad, but true.
Yup. If a crook wants in badly enough, he'll get in. Your only real hope of keeping him out is to make your place more trouble than the other guy's -- so he'll go there instead.
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post #15 of 28
1/15/07 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by rapunzel47 View Post
Yup. If a crook wants in badly enough, he'll get in. Your only real hope of keeping him out is to make your place more trouble than the other guy's -- so he'll go there instead.
Exactly.

Once again, should law abiding citizens who have a legitimate need for tools that *could* be used to commit crimes be punished for the deeds of a minority?
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post #16 of 28
1/15/07 at 8:53pm
No thanks, we already have to many rules and laws/
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post #17 of 28
1/16/07 at 10:05am
I think I may just buy one of those for DH!
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post #18 of 28
1/18/07 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Exactly.

Once again, should law abiding citizens who have a legitimate need for tools that *could* be used to commit crimes be punished for the deeds of a minority?
I feel we're over-regulated enough already. All that does is make life more complicated for law abiding citizens.


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Originally Posted by SleamWitchChild View Post
Yes but those shows are also misleading a lot of times. You learn a lot when you become a juror. That's one of the first things the judge told us when we first started our term. Those shows do a lot of stuff that in the real world wouldn't happen
Yeah, I know. Those CSI shows are obviously over the top. If real life were like that, no one innocent would ever be sent to jail!
I watch a lot of Forensic Files type of shows, and they go step by step into procedures. It shows how long things can take and how boring investigations can be. I like these shows because it proves there are people out there doing their best to see justice served.
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post #19 of 28
1/18/07 at 7:34am
CSI miami and New York have made the CSIs into cops! They interrogate suspects and have even arrested people.
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post #20 of 28
1/19/07 at 6:05am
Manufacturers shouldn't be held responsible, if someone MISUSES their product. If I burn down your house, are you going to sue Bic, because they manufactured my lighter?

I can understand suing, if a product is defective but NOT because some idiot used it for nefarious purposes.
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post #21 of 28
1/19/07 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by katl8e View Post
Manufacturers shouldn't be held responsible, if someone MISUSES their product. If I burn down your house, are you going to sue Bic, because they manufactured my lighter?

I can understand suing, if a product is defective but NOT because some idiot used it for nefarious purposes.
Bic doesn't actually advertise it being the cause of a burning house though! This manufactorer is showing a lock being cut off. There's a difference there. I'm just saying that you shouldn't outright advertise that it can do this.
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post #22 of 28
1/19/07 at 6:24am
I highly doubt this thing works. 98% of the time I've found if it's in one of those types of commercials, it's crap.

I mean let me get this straight: It will get through brick, cement, copper pipe, lead, the hood of your car, a lock, a telephone pole, and your neighbors cable wire, but it won't cut through skin? Yeah...ok.
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post #23 of 28
1/19/07 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by SalemWitchChild View Post
Bic doesn't actually advertise it being the cause of a burning house though! This manufactorer is showing a lock being cut off. There's a difference there. I'm just saying that you shouldn't outright advertise that it can do this.
But some people might need it for that purpose in their own home. It just comes down to the fact that if someone wants to commit a crime using a product, regardless of how it's advertised, if it can do the job, they're going to use it even if the manufacturer doesn't lay claim to it.
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post #24 of 28
1/19/07 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by ReesesPBC View Post
But some people might need it for that purpose in their own home. It just comes down to the fact that if someone wants to commit a crime using a product, regardless of how it's advertised, if it can do the job, they're going to use it even if the manufacturer doesn't lay claim to it.

That is what a locksmith is for.
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post #25 of 28
1/19/07 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by SalemWitchChild View Post
That is what a locksmith is for.
So all lock cutting tools that are available to the regular consumer should be banned and only available for purchase by a licensed locksmith?
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post #26 of 28
1/19/07 at 5:00pm
I think it might have been in poor taste of the company to including the image of breaking through a lock, but you can't regulate poor taste.

Cheers, from
SwampWitch
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post #27 of 28
1/19/07 at 8:24pm
I have had to break into my own house/apt on NUMEROUS occasions. I'm sorry, but I think it's totally ridiculous to ask people to pay hundreds of dollars to get a locksmith to come out because you don't think it should be legal for companies to sell tools that criminals would get illegally anyway. A good friend of mine is a locksmith, and they don't even necessarily want to be called every time someone leaves their keys inside.
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post #28 of 28
1/25/07 at 7:25pm
I don't think things like that should be regulated. If a thief wants to commit a crime they will, they don't need a commercial to tell them how. They'll find whatever tool they need regardless. Almost any product could "potentially" be used for evil. It would be impractical to put regulations on them all.
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