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post #31 of 41
1/7/07 at 2:16pm
Off-Topic...Seeing hows the ACLU was brought up can someone remind me why the ACLU has it in for the Boy Scouts? I read several things in the past but I don't fully remember the reasons. Thanks..
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post #32 of 41
1/7/07 at 2:23pm
I think they didn't like the Oath - "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country......" Specifically it had to do with "God."
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post #33 of 41
1/7/07 at 2:25pm
I could be wrong Ping, but I thought it was because they don't allow gay males to be troop leaders.
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post #34 of 41
1/7/07 at 2:47pm
Is that what it is. I hear so many reasons why the ACLU and Boy Scouts don't get along.

I have heard:
1. and 2. the above things ckblv and Dusty said.
3. because the Scouts go to school and talk to kids and because the Scouts are religous in nature they do not allow atheists.
4.Because the Scouts hold some meetings on bases and the above mentioned things the ACLU doesn't like the Scouts.

ETA:Articles I found:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=41467
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/scoutaclu.htm

And straight from the ACLU site a list of article concerning the Scouts:
http://www.aclu.org/search/search_wr...geField=search
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post #35 of 41
1/7/07 at 3:07pm
The Boy Scouts is a very good program. My son made it to Eagle. And it wasn't easy. But it certainly isn't a mandatory thing for anyone. If someone is so adverse to the mention of "God" to their child, then don't put them in scouts. They don't push any specific religion, you should see the list of different medals you can get that are religion based. But during the meeting, it really doesn't come up that much. It isn't like they sit around the make fun of the unbelievers all the time. They have more important things to do like work on badges and learn things.

As for the homosexuals not being scout leaders, that is a tough one. I know there are a lot of gay men who would make very good leaders. But there have been incidents in the past. Any organization that deals with children in situations where there are campouts and such has to be overly careful. I would bet The Big Brothers/Sisters orginazation has the same problem.

That being said, it thought it was a very sad day when the Boy Scouts, children, were actually booed by adults at the Democratic Convention.
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post #36 of 41
1/7/07 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
But there have been incidents in the past. Any organization that deals with children in situations where there are campouts and such has to be overly careful.
Okay, being gay has NOTHING whatsoever to do with being a child molester. Pedophiles are people with a mental illness which makes them sexually attracted to children. Sometimes same sex, sometimes opposite sex, sometimes both.

Gay people do not have a mental illness, and they are not sexually attracted to children. They are attracted to other adults who are the same sex as they are.

There is no need to be "overly careful" about having gay troop leaders because they aren't any more likely to be a child molester than a straight troop leader. Married men with their own children are more likely to become a troop leader and molest children than an openly gay man. Pedophiles often arrange their entire lives around covering up for themselves, and a really good way to do that is to pretend to be a family man, not to pretend to be an openly gay man.
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post #37 of 41
1/7/07 at 8:09pm
I did say that there are alot of gay men who would make good scout leaders. But we are talking about people protecting their children, and the hard spot organizations that deal with children find themselves in. I think there would be a problem with an all woman lead scout troop going off on camping trips, and there would be problems with all male lead girl scout troops. I think children would be much worse off not having the Boy Scouts to join, then some adult who can't be a scout leader.
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post #38 of 41
1/7/07 at 8:18pm
With all the problems we've been witnessing with female teachers and their male students, I'd certainly rather see a gay scout leader than a young woman on those camping trips!
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post #39 of 41
1/7/07 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
I did say that there are alot of gay men who would make good scout leaders. But we are talking about people protecting their children, and the hard spot organizations that deal with children find themselves in. I think there would be a problem with an all woman lead scout troop going off on camping trips, and there would be problems with all male lead girl scout troops. I think children would be much worse off not having the Boy Scouts to join, then some adult who can't be a scout leader.
Gay men are not women. Gender is about a whole lot more than sexual orientation, and the point is that the leaders are male role models, which a gay man is entirely capable of doing. I would have a problem putting my daughter in a girl scout group led by a man, but no problem whatsoever if it were led by a lesbian. The adult business of sexual and romantic relationships has nothing to do with boy scouts or girl scouts, so why does it matter who the troop leader dates, is married to, etc? Children do not think anything strange of it unless they have been taught to.
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post #40 of 41
1/8/07 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
The Boy Scouts is a very good program. My son made it to Eagle. And it wasn't easy. But it certainly isn't a mandatory thing for anyone. If someone is so adverse to the mention of "God" to their child, then don't put them in scouts. They don't push any specific religion, you should see the list of different medals you can get that are religion based. But during the meeting, it really doesn't come up that much. It isn't like they sit around the make fun of the unbelievers all the time. They have more important things to do like work on badges and learn things.

As for the homosexuals not being scout leaders, that is a tough one. I know there are a lot of gay men who would make very good leaders. But there have been incidents in the past. Any organization that deals with children in situations where there are campouts and such has to be overly careful. I would bet The Big Brothers/Sisters orginazation has the same problem.

That being said, it thought it was a very sad day when the Boy Scouts, children, were actually booed by adults at the Democratic Convention.

WOW, I did NOT know that so-called adults actually booed Boy Scouts at the Democratic Convention. Holy Cow. That is sad and makes me more proud then ever to be a Republican.
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post #41 of 41
1/8/07 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by eburgess View Post
Lets face it every organization that has poltical influence does the same thing. The NRA says it supports everyone's right to own a gun but does nothing when it comes to laws that limit gun rights certian people like minors and criminals...
I just wanted to point out that this is not correct. The NRA definitely supports the existing laws on the books that do limit felons' access to firearms. What the NRA doesn't support is more laws that not only limit access to criminals (face it, the hard-core criminals will find a way around the gun laws anyway), but to law-abiding citizens as well. As for minors, the NRA supports supervised, expert training for responsible minors, but I haven't heard anything about them wanting to change the laws that make it illegal for minors to purchase firearms.
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