Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
I have been a member of the ACLU since I was 18. I don't understand how they are being hypocritical because they aren't doing anything about a school board choosing what kind of groups can come to their school. Hypocrisy means that they say one thing and do another... but since they aren't doing anything, they can't be hypocritical. Also, what are they supposed to do, sue the school board on behalf of the US govt? That would be absurd. The ACLU is meant to represent the rights of minorities, disenfranchised people, people whose rights are being trampled on. What would it say about our federal govt if the ACLU really did do something on their behalf? That would mean our federal govt is disenfranchised, and needs to be defended by a private civil rights advocate.
They do champion the interests of all people. The majority, the wealthy, the suburban-- these people already have everything going in our favor. We are most likely to vote, most likely to give our money to the causes we find worthy including politicians, have the most sway over pretty much everything in society. What the ACLU does is attempt to give voice to those people who have a really hard time finding anyone willing to listen to them in the first place. I don't understand how the ROTC is in that category. Yes, the ACLU are extremely liberal. But there are plenty of groups on the other end of the spectrum just waiting to balance it out. Both sides are absolutely vital to our country.
I also have a problem with defending NAMBLA. I told them so in an extremely lengthy email including the reasons why it was so personally offensive. However, I do understand that in an era when our civil rights are being eroded daily, it is important that we not accept anyone being told they no longer have the right to free speech. No matter how atrocious, distasteful, immoral, vomit-inducing what they have to say is, we all have the right to say it. The ACLU never defended pedophilia, they only defended their right to talk about it. NAMBLA is extremely careful not to break the law, ever, as there are (and should be) an entire force of police waiting to arrest them. So how can we tell them they can't talk? Charles Manson can say whatever he wants, too, and any time we decide to take away one person or one groups ability to say things that others find upsetting or wrong, we get closer to our own ability to say whatever we want being taking away too.
As for the lack of people celebrating Rice, isn't that a good sign? Why should we celebrate an African-American woman being appointed to that position? Celebrating it is recognizing that there is something odd, novel, and new about it-- and there shouldn't be. Perhaps it was more difficult for her to get to her position, but it shouldn't have been. If she is the best person for the job, she's the best person for the job, and it shouldn't seem strange to us anymore than an old white guy getting the job. Honestly, I never even thought about whether she was the first woman or the first black woman or anything about it. I think it's a good sign that other people didn't either.
I could write 3 pages in response to your e-mail, but ill be brief. Once upon a time the ACLU did try to meet its mission to defend all people and all interests, decades ago. The ACLU now is a fringe left wing radical organization. With the ROTC what about the rights of those students who wanted to be a part of an organization that they believe in? I guess they dont count because they dare have aspirations of serving their country. Where was the ACLU when it was discovered that the American Govt was surveilling illegally
the Minutemen who try to protect our border since our own govt wont do it? Oops, sorry the Minutemen prevent illegal border crossers from getting here, and the ACLU believe such people have rights to be in this country, even if it they break the law to do it.
The ACLU is there everytime there is what they believe a religious display on public property, or when a Courthouse wants to display the Ten Commandments on the Courthouse steps. (They appear in the supreme court courtroom!). Congressional meetings often begin with a religious prayer.
The ACLU is there to defend every fringe group, yes including child molesters, they defend the "rights" of terrorists to have access to our Courts, etc. They defend every cause that is contrary to what the majority of Americans desire. This is the new tyranny: the tyranny of the minority. The ACLU sued the Boy Scouts of America claiming it was (gasp!) a religious organization, which is an obvious lie. The ACLU claimed in a suit that it was racist for the State of Carolina to screen Hurricane katrina evacuees. Turned out that 55% had criminal records, Oops. The ACLU champions the causes of drug dealers and terrorists by claiming that common sense based profiling is just blind racism, another crazy delusion. In the past 30 years I cant remember too many terrorists named Robert, Joe, or Sharon. I do recall a ton of Mohammads, and Osamas, and other middle eastern names. But what does the ACLU care about our being safe as long as we ignore reality and keep checking the baggage of 67 year old grandmothers, that dire threat to our country.
Restrictions on sexual offenders post-prison are a constant source of litigation by the ACLU. Those child rapists have rights g-dammitt!!!!! Forget reasonable panhandling ordinances in local municiaplities. If a vagrant wants to pee in front of your store, (ya know the business that you poured your life savings into to try to earn a living and support your family), well dang it, he has the right!!!! I could go on and on and on, but my fingers are tired. I appreictae your good intentions vis a vis the ACLU, but to me they are a reckless, extortionist and dangerous organization. I would be in favor of completely banning them, but that unfortunately won't happen.
As far as Condi Rice your argument is naive and a nice diversion from the truth. I too crave the ending of our "hyphenated-American" society, and just celebrating accomplishments withour reference to ethnicity. But that is not the way it is now. In a country now where we are asked to take note of the first african american this, asian that, first muslim this, first hispanic that...the glaring silence about Condi smacks clearly of just what I said it did, political black listing of who gets noticed and applauded. Just ask any black republican what I am talking about. They will be glad to tell you about ostracization, and ugly rhetoric sent their way. I cant remember when Clarence Thomas was honored by the Congressiional Black Causcus, can you?????