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post #61 of 78
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
I was against the invasion of Iraq right from the beginning, for numerous reasons, though the main one was that Saddam did not represent a direct threat to the U.S.. I felt that the invasion and his removal from power were meant as a signal to other regimes, e.g., North Korea's. Be that as it may, I'm not sorry to see that he has been eliminated. His crimes may not have been of the same magnitude as Hitler's, Mao's, or Stalin's, but surely are at least equivalent to those of Pol Pot, Pinochet, Ceausescu, or Milosevic, among many others?
Couldn't have said it better, that's for sure! I hate how in some people's minds being against the Iraq war (esp in the very beginning) means you love Saddam Hussein. He wasn't a good person. If there is a hell, he's in a special corner of it now, for mass murderers and violent dictators. But there are people in power right now in other places who have done similar things who were trained by the US military to become violent dictators. This war was not another in a string of "let's rid the world of leaders who do bad things to their people", in fact, until now, the US has never intervened in another country's business for that reason.

I still don't really understand why we're being sent to Iraq to be maimed or die. We aren't defending ourselves, because we weren't being threatened, and we're sure not gaining anything. The death toll to American troops has now surpassed 3,000. I just have to ask myself what they died for, and cry, because there isn't anything else you can do about it.

Anyway, I've just watched the video of Saddam's actual hanging (the cell-phone one, not the one shown on CNN) and it's appalling. What did that really accomplish? Sure, he's dead now, but how has that made the world better?
post #62 of 78
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Anyway, I've just watched the video of Saddam's actual hanging (the cell-phone one, not the one shown on CNN) and it's appalling. What did that really accomplish? Sure, he's dead now, but how has that made the world better?
Is it real? I thought I saw somewhere on CNN that there were some reports that it was a faked video...
post #63 of 78
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post
Is it real? I thought I saw somewhere on CNN that there were some reports that it was a faked video...
I don't know that it matters much (to me, and the sentiment) but it didn't look like a standard fake. A lot of it looked very similar to the officially released video and also it was crappy footage like a camera phone (I won't go into too much detail cause it's gross, but fast-moving things were blurry, half the darn thing is of the floor, etc). But I'm certainly not trained to spot a fake I recommend against watching it, esp just to decide that, it made me sick to my stomach.
post #64 of 78
I doubt its fake. I have been having a hard time with this as well maybe because I have never seen someone executed before. I have to keep reminding myself that he has done much worse, and I hope his death has given some people a feeling of retribution as it was supposed to.

I think I might be turning anti-death penalty, no because I'm pro-Saddam (thats faaaar from the case) but I still feel sick days later whenever his execution is mentioned.
post #65 of 78
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Couldn't have said it better, that's for sure! I hate how in some people's minds being against the Iraq war (esp in the very beginning) means you love Saddam Hussein. He wasn't a good person. If there is a hell, he's in a special corner of it now, for mass murderers and violent dictators. But there are people in power right now in other places who have done similar things who were trained by the US military to become violent dictators. This war was not another in a string of "let's rid the world of leaders who do bad things to their people", in fact, until now, the US has never intervened in another country's business for that reason.

I still don't really understand why we're being sent to Iraq to be maimed or die. We aren't defending ourselves, because we weren't being threatened, and we're sure not gaining anything. The death toll to American troops has now surpassed 3,000. I just have to ask myself what they died for, and cry, because there isn't anything else you can do about it.

Anyway, I've just watched the video of Saddam's actual hanging (the cell-phone one, not the one shown on CNN) and it's appalling. What did that really accomplish? Sure, he's dead now, but how has that made the world better?
Ohh that's all so well said and I couldn't agree more.

This may start some heat and I don't mean it to because it really is just an opinion and although based in some part on schools of thought that have been circulating for a while, it is mostly just my opinion.

I believe Bush initially went to Iraq because he was overcommitted from his search for WMDs and desperate to find a scapegoat for 9/11. He almost had to declare war to `save face' so to speak - there were NO weapons of mass destruction, and very little to no progress on capturing those responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center. Hussein tried to assassinate Bush Snr ! There was a very personal family vendetta going on there and Bush Jnr saw an opportunity to retaliate under the guise of a misguided (as it turns out) premise - WMDs.

He had a responsibility to create a show of strength for the world in the face of 9/11, he needed an opportunity to depose Hussein for the attempt on his father's life, he declared a `War on Terror' and made the actual war itself one against Iraq. The country was in a bad state to begin with and now it is utterly diabolical. The troops that are over there fighting are in a hopeless situation, in a war they should NEVER have been asked to fight, and more American troops now have died in this war than did victims of 9/11.

All so that Bush could show what a tough guy he is. I'm sorry if that's oversimplifying things but it's the way I see it. And it makes me really sad. The only thing good that has come out of this is that the world is no longer sitting back and blindly putting up with whatever he dictates, there has been a huge wake-up call over the past months and Bush is beginning to be more commonly seen for what he is. His show of bravado fooled many, many Americans and those around the world for a long time, but the lack of any substance behind that bravado is what he will be remembered for.

There was just no good reason for that war. Not one. I hope that the troops get withdrawn because they shouldn't be there - your post was spot on IMO Essayons. But what happens to Iraq after they're gone? We plunge the country into a desperate mess and then leave them alone to pick up the pieces. It's just WRONG, plain wrong, and has been from the start.
post #66 of 78
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Couldn't have said it better, that's for sure! I hate how in some people's minds being against the Iraq war (esp in the very beginning) means you love Saddam Hussein. He wasn't a good person. If there is a hell, he's in a special corner of it now, for mass murderers and violent dictators. But there are people in power right now in other places who have done similar things who were trained by the US military to become violent dictators. This war was not another in a string of "let's rid the world of leaders who do bad things to their people", in fact, until now, the US has never intervened in another country's business for that reason.

I still don't really understand why we're being sent to Iraq to be maimed or die. We aren't defending ourselves, because we weren't being threatened, and we're sure not gaining anything. The death toll to American troops has now surpassed 3,000. I just have to ask myself what they died for, and cry, because there isn't anything else you can do about it.

Anyway, I've just watched the video of Saddam's actual hanging (the cell-phone one, not the one shown on CNN) and it's appalling. What did that really accomplish? Sure, he's dead now, but how has that made the world better?

I do NOT believe that our Military has trained ANYONE to be a Violent Dictator.
post #67 of 78
Yes that video was the real deal. They just arrested 3 people for it. It was very disturbing, and barbaric.
post #68 of 78
I think what I had saw (and granted I SHOULD HAVE read it) was a question on if its real and if there is a person that needs to be arrested.

I.e. what had happened today where Iraq obtained a suspect for the cell phone video. Before they could look for someone, they had verify that the video was real.

At thta point the news was just trying to obtain ANY information.

Thanks though!!
post #69 of 78
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Ohh that's all so well said and I couldn't agree more.

This may start some heat and I don't mean it to because it really is just an opinion and although based in some part on schools of thought that have been circulating for a while, it is mostly just my opinion.

I believe Bush initially went to Iraq because he was overcommitted from his search for WMDs and desperate to find a scapegoat for 9/11. He almost had to declare war to `save face' so to speak - there were NO weapons of mass destruction, and very little to no progress on capturing those responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center. Hussein tried to assassinate Bush Snr ! There was a very personal family vendetta going on there and Bush Jnr saw an opportunity to retaliate under the guise of a misguided (as it turns out) premise - WMDs.

He had a responsibility to create a show of strength for the world in the face of 9/11, he needed an opportunity to depose Hussein for the attempt on his father's life, he declared a `War on Terror' and made the actual war itself one against Iraq. The country was in a bad state to begin with and now it is utterly diabolical. The troops that are over there fighting are in a hopeless situation, in a war they should NEVER have been asked to fight, and more American troops now have died in this war than did victims of 9/11.

All so that Bush could show what a tough guy he is. I'm sorry if that's oversimplifying things but it's the way I see it. And it makes me really sad. The only thing good that has come out of this is that the world is no longer sitting back and blindly putting up with whatever he dictates, there has been a huge wake-up call over the past months and Bush is beginning to be more commonly seen for what he is. His show of bravado fooled many, many Americans and those around the world for a long time, but the lack of any substance behind that bravado is what he will be remembered for.

There was just no good reason for that war. Not one. I hope that the troops get withdrawn because they shouldn't be there - your post was spot on IMO Essayons. But what happens to Iraq after they're gone? We plunge the country into a desperate mess and then leave them alone to pick up the pieces. It's just WRONG, plain wrong, and has been from the start.
Bravo!!! That was very well stated.

I also wonder how much of the OIL and $$$ have to do with the invasion of Iraq.
post #70 of 78
I think justice was served
post #71 of 78
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
I also wonder how much of the OIL and $$$ have to do with the invasion of Iraq.
More than you could possibly imagine, although Max is the expert on that, not me. Have you seen Syriana? You should. It's really very scary.
post #72 of 78
Sidebar: Speaking of oil and $$$$, the UN oil for food program was about as corrupt a program as you'll ever find.

Okay, now back to the topic already in progress.

Bryan
post #73 of 78
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Ohh that's all so well said and I couldn't agree more.

This may start some heat and I don't mean it to because it really is just an opinion and although based in some part on schools of thought that have been circulating for a while, it is mostly just my opinion.

I believe Bush initially went to Iraq because he was overcommitted from his search for WMDs and desperate to find a scapegoat for 9/11. He almost had to declare war to `save face' so to speak - there were NO weapons of mass destruction, and very little to no progress on capturing those responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center. Hussein tried to assassinate Bush Snr ! There was a very personal family vendetta going on there and Bush Jnr saw an opportunity to retaliate under the guise of a misguided (as it turns out) premise - WMDs.

He had a responsibility to create a show of strength for the world in the face of 9/11, he needed an opportunity to depose Hussein for the attempt on his father's life, he declared a `War on Terror' and made the actual war itself one against Iraq. The country was in a bad state to begin with and now it is utterly diabolical. The troops that are over there fighting are in a hopeless situation, in a war they should NEVER have been asked to fight, and more American troops now have died in this war than did victims of 9/11.

All so that Bush could show what a tough guy he is. I'm sorry if that's oversimplifying things but it's the way I see it. And it makes me really sad. The only thing good that has come out of this is that the world is no longer sitting back and blindly putting up with whatever he dictates, there has been a huge wake-up call over the past months and Bush is beginning to be more commonly seen for what he is. His show of bravado fooled many, many Americans and those around the world for a long time, but the lack of any substance behind that bravado is what he will be remembered for.

There was just no good reason for that war. Not one. I hope that the troops get withdrawn because they shouldn't be there - your post was spot on IMO Essayons. But what happens to Iraq after they're gone? We plunge the country into a desperate mess and then leave them alone to pick up the pieces. It's just WRONG, plain wrong, and has been from the start.
I agree with you and Zissou's mom above. Too bad the "majority" of people didn't realize the truth until after the election.
post #74 of 78
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I do NOT believe that our Military has trained ANYONE to be a Violent Dictator.
http://www.soaw.org/new/
http://ciponline.org/facts/soa.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas

It's been renamed now, but still exists. We "educated" Manuel Noriega, numerous dictators, and military commanders responsible for such things as the desaparecidos, training them in propaganda, torture, and politics.

Believe it or not, it's still true.
post #75 of 78
Don't forget Fidel Castro....
post #76 of 78
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
http://www.soaw.org/new/
http://ciponline.org/facts/soa.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas

It's been renamed now, but still exists. We "educated" Manuel Noriega, numerous dictators, and military commanders responsible for such things as the desaparecidos, training them in propaganda, torture, and politics.

Believe it or not, it's still true.
I really am not going into the SOA Protest I invite you all to God Bless Ft.Benning day at the Columbus Civic Center. I will see whoever comes there as I am a resident of Columbus GA and proud supporter of Ft.Benning and all that is stands for!
post #77 of 78
I don't believe our Military has trained anyone with the INTENTION that they become a violent dictator.

And what about Castro?
post #78 of 78
I'm not going to waste too many words or breath on that lowlife.
All i'm going to say is no matter what path we take in life no matter what we are taught,we all have choices,we can take the right path or the wrong path.
Lowlife took the wrong path and paid the consequences.............
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