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post #31 of 57
12/29/06 at 5:32pm
I think he will be put to death, but I just wish they would not HANG HIM. Maybe it's their way over there, but I would rather he got a lethal injection or something.

I don't understand why his supporters would attack the US for this. We're not the one's hanging him, it's his own people.

Personally I would rather see him get life in Prison, but they are going to deal with this the way they want to.
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post #32 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Good god... Any reason to bash Bush, huh? Here I thought this thread was about Saddam Hussein. I should have known better. THAT makes me sick.
It seems that way, doesn't it? And sorry if I had a hand in starting it. I guess that these are controversial times, and he's a controversial figure, who has caused a lot of pain in the world - along with the leader of my country, and the leaders of many countries, East and West. I don't think criticism during debate is automatically `Bush bashing', though. I think that there's a great deal of upset, fear and anger in the world right now, and he is a big part of that, as much as Saddam Hussein or anyone else. Being the leader of a Western country does not automatically make you the good guy, and I think that given the current world political climate, many things do come back to Bush, as he is in a position of immense power and hasn't exactly done an exemplary job.

He is going to be talked about because he's in everyone's face, but it's not always blind criticism - most of the time I personally bring it up because I want to know what others (particularly Americans) think about him and his decisions, but perhaps this wasn't the right thread in which to do so.

This thread started out about Hussein, and then moved towards the topic of all world leaders who could be accused of committing war crimes. THAT's how he came up - not just random bashing because we felt like it!
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post #33 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:09pm
I think it is insane to compare Bush to Osama or Sadaam, just insane.
How soon we forget.

Forget the thousands of murdered souls found in mass graves, killed by Sadaam.

Forget Osama's grand plan that resulted in 9-11.

Forget that Sadaams paid thousands of dollars to suicide bombers families.

Forgot the USS Cole.

And Bush is compared to then? Wow.
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post #34 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:21pm
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Forget Osama's grand plan that resulted in 9-11.
It wasn't his plan, by the way. He was not the `mastermind' behind this - although it was people he was associated with and ultimately him who took the blame (which he admitted to - I'm not exonerating him at all, by saying that).

Not all world leaders get everything right. I am sick of the attitude that Bush is a hero who has done the right things all the time. He's not perfect, he's not God, he's not some angel sent to the earth to make the world better. He's hasn't done the same things as Osama or Saddam, but he's done some terrible things! Why is it so impossible to admit this?

More people have died in the Iraq war now than died in 9/11. Many, many more. Mostly innocents - women, children, civilians. And a number of atrocities have been committed by BOTH SIDES. That war was started as a direct result of 9/11. And it has been a total disaster. Even the American government has admitted that. If you and others think that he is above all reproach, then that's fine. But it's not the truth, and the truth is what should be at issue here. No matter WHO we are talking about.
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post #35 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
I think he will be put to death, but I just wish they would not HANG HIM. Maybe it's their way over there, but I would rather he got a lethal injection or something.

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I just think its horrid to hang him - I was wondering why they were doing that, instead of lethal injection. I haven't been paying too close attention to it all, just bits and pieces but if he's being hung here in the US, why don't they just use leathal injection and instead of hanging him? Is it because its 'the way' over there? I know its probly a dumb question, but I had to ask
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post #36 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:38pm
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I just think its horrid to hang him - I was wondering why they were doing that, instead of lethal injection. I haven't been paying too close attention to it all, just bits and pieces but if he's being hung here in the US, why don't they just use leathal injection and instead of hanging him? Is it because its 'the way' over there? I know its probly a dumb question, but I had to ask
I think it's something to do with the crimes he has committed. He demanded death by firing squad, as he said that he would not be hanged `like a commoner'. He believes he deserves a death `fit for his station', and I think (but I'm not sure) that the traditional punishment for war crimes is either death by hanging, or firing squad. Perhaps it's a final insult. I'm interested, too, though - so I'm going to go look it up!
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post #37 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think it is insane to compare Bush to Osama or Sadaam, just insane.
I know when I started this thread I said I wasn't going to state my views on President Bush.
I have to say that I'm in no way shape or form a fan of President Bush.
I think the man is a complete idiot and I'll never understand how the people of this Country voted him into office not once but twice...God knows he didn't get any votes from this house.
With that said, I do however have to agree with the above quote.
He's in no way perfect and he's done some very stupid very wrong things, but I don't believe for one second that the things he's done can be compared to the horrible things done by Osama or Sadaam.
That's all I'm going to say about that

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I just think its horrid to hang him - I was wondering why they were doing that, instead of lethal injection. I haven't been paying too close attention to it all, just bits and pieces but if he's being hung here in the US, why don't they just use leathal injection and instead of hanging him? Is it because its 'the way' over there? I know its probly a dumb question, but I had to ask
He's not here in the US, he's over there and I guess hanging is their execution method.
Leathal injection would be a more humane way to do it, but at least they aren't using a wood chipper like he used on his own Sons-In-Law.
When I heard that's what he'd had his "henchmen" for lack of a better word do, I was just horrified.
I can't even imagine something like that.
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post #38 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I think it's something to do with the crimes he has committed. He demanded death by firing squad, as he said that he would not be hanged `like a commoner'. He believes he deserves a death `fit for his station', and I think (but I'm not sure) that the traditional punishment for war crimes is either death by hanging, or firing squad. Perhaps it's a final insult. I'm interested, too, though - so I'm going to go look it up!
Ok, I was just a bit curious, but felt weird asking since I was sure everyone knew!
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post #39 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:42pm
Ok, I looked it up. There are rules, and a firing squad is for the military courts. This is a civil court and the method of execution is decided by the court. Penal law says the penalty shall be hanging. His crimes are civil crimes against humanity, not military crimes.

Interesting! I believe that a more humane method of execution should be used - we are not barbarians. But apparently that is the law and so I guess that's the way it has to be.
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post #40 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:44pm
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Ok, I was just a bit curious, but felt weird asking since I was sure everyone knew!
I didn't know for sure either, but I was just to lazy to look it up.
I'm glad someone else did so at least now we know.
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post #41 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:53pm
Well, they are saying he will be executed before 6am today Baghdad time, which is 10pm eastern.

The Middle East is gonna be an even more dangerous place starting tonight.
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post #42 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:56pm
Thats what they are saying here, too. Thats like in 4 minutes.
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post #43 of 57
12/29/06 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Ok, I looked it up. There are rules, and a firing squad is for the military courts. This is a civil court and the method of execution is decided by the court. Penal law says the penalty shall be hanging. His crimes are civil crimes against humanity, not military crimes.

Interesting! I believe that a more humane method of execution should be used - we are not barbarians. But apparently that is the law and so I guess that's the way it has to be.
Thank you so much for finding that! I suppose I could have!
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post #44 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:00pm
3 minutes until the time stated, reports say he has arrived at the site of execution.

Honestly, when done correctly hanging is as humane a way to die as any way. Considering there was someone who hung on for over 1/2 hour, I think, and 3 lethal injections recently, hanging could be more humane. As long as the knot is placed right and the drop is high enough, his neck will break on impact and he will die immediately.
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post #45 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Really? I never heard about that! How did he manage that, being in prison and all? I don't disbelieve you - it's just that I never saw it talked about before this.

BTW - Nice post Mirinae!

He hired henchmen I believe. I think there were a total of three lawyers killed. I don't have a reference and I'm too lazy to get one for you, but I watch and read the news everyday... that's just my vague recollection. I'm sure you could find it on the internet somewhere... msnbc.com has lots of archived articles on Saddam.
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post #46 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:11pm
Well, apparently he's gone according to msnbc.com...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/

Other major news outlets aren't reporting it yet.
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post #47 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Interesting! I believe that a more humane method of execution should be used - we are not barbarians. But apparently that is the law and so I guess that's the way it has to be.
But "we" aren't the ones carrying out the sentence. The government of Iraq is. And considering how long they have been under Saddam's rule, the culture has essentially been retarded (slowed down) for at least 20 years. The region, for the most part in this regard, is also not of the same mindset as the "western" world (I know Australia isn't really the west). Hanging and firing squad are probably the quickest, most humane ways to execute someone there at this time.

Al Arabiya is reporting that Saddam has been executed.

Burn in Hell, Saddam. Burn in Hell.
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post #48 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:16pm
Yep, Sadaam and two other guys are dead.
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post #49 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
But "we" aren't the ones carrying out the sentence. The government of Iraq is. And considering how long they have been under Saddam's rule, the culture has essentially been retarded (slowed down) for at least 20 years. The region, for the most part in this regard, is also not of the same mindset as the "western" world (I know Australia isn't really the west). Hanging and firing squad are probably the quickest, most humane ways to execute someone there at this time.

Al Arabiya is reporting that Saddam has been executed.

Burn in Hell, Saddam. Burn in Hell.
Well, it's over now, one way or another. I surely hope that this can be an end to a terrible chapter in the world's history.

I have to ask Heidi - what do you mean by Australia not really being the west? Is that in terms of its physical location near South-East Asia or our political views? I'm not offended or anything - certainly not! I'm pretty sure you mean our physical location...but I'm curious. I've not heard anyone say that before!!
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post #50 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:26pm
Good riddance to bad rubbish!
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post #51 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:38pm
The execution is over. Now we need to send prayers to our service people who are in Iraq. I pray that this execution does not put our people in more danger and that this war comes to an end. I pray for the families of our service people and that they will be reunited with their loved ones.
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post #52 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
The execution is over. Now we need to send prayers to our service people who are in Iraq. I pray that this execution does not put our people in more danger and that this war comes to an end. I pray for the families of our service people and that they will be reunited with their loved ones.
Well said. Let this horrible mess be over soon, so the people who are so bravely there, who don't deserve to be there, can come home and be rewarded as they richly deserve.
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post #53 of 57
12/29/06 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
The execution is over. Now we need to send prayers to our service people who are in Iraq. I pray that this execution does not put our people in more danger and that this war comes to an end. I pray for the families of our service people and that they will be reunited with their loved ones.

Yes, please remember our service people at this time and keep them in your prayers.
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post #54 of 57
12/29/06 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Well said. Let this horrible mess be over soon, so the people who are so bravely there, who don't deserve to be there, can come home and be rewarded as they richly deserve.
I don't think this mess will be over, with the hanging of Sadam. It might be some closure for the families he hurt, but because he wasn't really a real threat to us, I don't think we've even scratched the surface of the mess going on over there.
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post #55 of 57
12/29/06 at 11:14pm
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I have to ask Heidi - what do you mean by Australia not really being the west? Is that in terms of its physical location near South-East Asia or our political views? I'm not offended or anything - certainly not! I'm pretty sure you mean our physical location...but I'm curious. I've not heard anyone say that before!!
That's exactly what I meant - physical location. In term of culture and prosperity and advances, Australia (I think) is considered part of the "western" world, even though you aren't really "west".

I agree, definitely keeping all of those serving in the region in my thoughts, and hoping that they stay safe.
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post #56 of 57
12/30/06 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
That's exactly what I meant - physical location. In term of culture and prosperity and advances, Australia (I think) is considered part of the "western" world, even though you aren't really "west".
We sure are! Although I am proud that we have such a rich and beautiful mix of people from different nations who live here. It's cool
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...definitely keeping all of those serving in the region in my thoughts, and hoping that they stay safe.
Definitely. And Hope - I agree, we haven't even scratched the surface. The only thing we are scratching is our heads wondering how on earth we are going to try to help fix the whole sorry mess.
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post #57 of 57
12/30/06 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
The execution is over. Now we need to send prayers to our service people who are in Iraq. I pray that this execution does not put our people in more danger and that this war comes to an end. I pray for the families of our service people and that they will be reunited with their loved ones.
Amen...
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