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The victim: Paws, the cat -The Murder Weapon - the WASHER

post #1 of 39
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I posted about this in the Crossing the Bridge forum, but still feel the need to discuss the other angles. This is the article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6193557.stm
IMO, THIS CAT IS ACTUALLY A CASUALTY OF THE WAR BETWEEN THE SEXES.
The more I think about it, the more I wonder what led up to such treachery against the cat. I mean, I have seen many times when a man will deliberately withhold affection from the woman in his life, and instead, lavish it upon the dog, the children, etc. as a form of mental abuse that causes jealousy towards the other object. That in turn creates a rage against the other object, often a pet or the man's biological child.
Why do men treat women so badly, so that women become depressed and are unable to be the warm, nuturing people that they truly are???
I'm not forgiving the perpetrator in this case - her claim that she didn't mean to kill the cat is a lie. How could she ignore the sounds of "protest" that the cat would make while being scalded?? If she was so depressed about her life, why stay with a man who made her so miserable??? Why, why, oh why didn't she leave??? And why did the man leave her to care for Paws??? Esp. if he knew that she was jealous of his going to see his ex and his children??? Poor Paws, poor, poor Paws
post #2 of 39
Lordy, that poor creature...How absolutely disgusting of that woman. I cetainly hope she faces jail time. I suffer from depression as well, but would NEVER in my wildest moments think of hurting an innocent creature, animal, or human. There's no excuse for what she did and I will be totally appalled if her excuse of "depression" keeps her out of jail.

Paws, you're safe now over the rainbow bridge away from that horrible woman and the pain you suffered, play happily free of pain...
post #3 of 39
The fact that that suffers from depression is irrelevent and her statement that she did not know the cat would die is a LIE! Is she so STUPID that she thinks cats can breathe underwater and tolerate HOT water on their skin??? This is an atrocious act that she has performed and she has absolutely NO EXCUSE! I don't care if her boyfriend was an ogre or not. THAT has NOTHING to do with her INTENTIONALLY AND CRUELLY MURDERING THIS POOR CAT!!!

RIP sweet white kitty.
post #4 of 39
I think alot of people use depression as a phony excuse for doing all kinds of horrible things. It makes it worse for people that really suffer from depression.

I say, throw her in the washing machine.
post #5 of 39
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think alot of people use depression as a phony excuse for doing all kinds of horrible things. It makes it worse for people that really suffer from depression.

I say, throw her in the washing machine.
I second that!

That woman is a psycho!! She is sick and I am honestly a mostly non-violence person but I would love to beat the living outta that
post #6 of 39
"Why do men treat women so badly, so that women become depressed and are unable to be the warm, nuturing people that they truly are???"

no the question is why does a women stay. if there needs are not being met then pack up your bags and leave.

Sorry you cant blame everything bad that happnens on men. Why is it when you break up with a women, she goes even more crazy, and trash your car? slash your tires? oh yea, put there kids in a microwave? i guess that is also all a man fault? Why is always someone else fault , but never the person that did the crime? If he did not see his kids, think of the names you would call him then.

the only person here to blame is the women that did this.i do understand your rage at this act on the poor kitty(RIP), as any person that likes aniamls would.

As to why he would leave her alone with cat. Easy, who in there right mind would assume that person would kill a pet? Yea i know it happens, but still you would not think a person you are dating would kill your cat how you go visit your kids.
post #7 of 39
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the only person here to blame is the women that did this.
100%!
post #8 of 39
I have to wonder who was abusive to whom in this relationship? It's much more often that you hear of the abuser taking out their rage on something meaningful to the abused, especially when the abused person starts standing up for themselves. How many more times have we heard about an abuse victim staying in the relationship because she's scared for the safety of her/his kids or pets if she/he leaves?
post #9 of 39
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
"Why do men treat women so badly, so that women become depressed and are unable to be the warm, nuturing people that they truly are???"

no the question is why does a women stay. if there needs are not being met then pack up your bags and leave.

Sorry you cant blame everything bad that happnens on men. Why is it when you break up with a women, she goes even more crazy, and trash your car? slash your tires? oh yea, put there kids in a microwave? i guess that is also all a man fault? Why is always someone else fault , but never the person that did the crime? If he did not see his kids, think of the names you would call him then.
Ooookaaay ... I'm going to go on a slightly OT rant here. Having been in an abusive relationship myself -- despite the fact that I had seen my aunt go through the same thing, and vowed I would never be in that position -- and volunteering at a women's shelter and self-defense group, I cannot begin to express how offensive I find these comments.

People stay in abusive relationships for a variety of reasons, and it's not just women who are being abused by their partners, it's men too (although these cases are seldom reported, because men suffer from the misconception that because they are men they shouldn't be able to be abused). Sometimes women stay in abusive relationships because their husbands are the breadwinners, and if they leave, they'll be left with nothing. Sometimes women are unable to stay, or are too frightened to leave -- what if he hunts me down and kills me? What if he kills himself? What if ...? Sometimes they stay because they erroneously believe they can change their partners. Sometimes they honestly believe that they deserve whatever abuse their partner throws at them -- they've heard him say, over and over again, that they're no good, that they're useless, etc, etc, and eventually they believe it. And sometimes they don't know any better: their mothers and grandmothers were in abusive relationships, and that just seems normal to them. It's not a question of "needs not being met" and just packing up their bags and leaving -- abusive relationships are pervasive and deadly, emotionally as well as physically. After being smacked around for years and being told you're a worthless piece of (and after years of this you can't help but think it's probably true), and knowing full well your husband is the one with all the money and the power -- if you leave, you'll be left with nothing, and if you can't prove the abuse he could be the one who gets the kids, and never mind how many times he's told you that if you leave him he'll find you and kill you (and you believe it -- you know he's capable of it) ... Packing up your bags and leaving becomes the hardest thing in the world.

Back on topic: At no point am I suggesting that this woman's actions were justified, or that I think having been abused in some way reduces her responsibility, because they weren't, and it doesn't. It is her fault because she's the one that chose to express her anger in such a heartwrenching and sadistic manner. Her actions were horrendous, and in all likelihood, she will not be punished accordingly because crimes against animals aren't taken seriously enough.
post #10 of 39
On all parts!
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Sorry you cant blame everything bad that happnens on men. Why is it when you break up with a women, she goes even more crazy, and trash your car? slash your tires? oh yea, put there kids in a microwave?
I'd also like to add that I've broken up with plenty of men who've "gone even more crazy" after. The idea that only women are "crazy" in relationship is incerdibally chauvenistic and just a little concieted IMO. Just for an example I've had one threaten to commit suicide, another who was going to ram my car with my other car! after trying to play a little black mail with a joint banking account. And of course, their reponses were my fault right?!

Anyway, it's sad but Mirinae is probably right that she'll get off easy. Poor Paws. I only hope his heart gave out before he suffered too much.
post #11 of 39
In my opinion, it is completely the woman's fault for what happened to the cat. She should definitely get jail time. RIP sweet Paws.

I can't say anything about the problems in their relationship because none of us know the real situation there.
post #12 of 39
Did I miss something in the article? Where is the assumption that the woman was abused by her boyfriend coming from? The claim that she's suffering from depression?
I'm having a dejÃ:censor: vu moment here, because I had a similar conversation with some colleagues in the teachers' lounge yesterday, after I told a student she was being selfish and unreasonable, which really put her out. She's been involved with a divorced man with a 3-year-old daughter for about three or four months, and has been positively ranting about his desire to spend Christmas Day at his ex's to be with his daughter. My student isn't Christian, and doesn't celebrate Christmas, so her being "home alone" on Christmas really shouldn't play a substantial role. Her main concern appears to be that she thinks his ex is more attractive than she is, and that he'll get back with her. In other words, she's jealous, and has no regard for that little girl's feelings, or any understanding that this now-divorced couple has a child that in some way binds them together forever, whether they like it or not. Two of my female colleagues are divorced, with children, and both celebrate Christmas with their children and ex-husbands (and both of them think I wasn't out of line when I said that to the young woman in question).
"Depression", and/or jealousy, can't justify animal cruelty, so I believe jail time is warranted.
post #13 of 39
She did it for the same reason as this guy. She wanted to wound him in a way that destroying replaceable property can't.
post #14 of 39
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She did it for the same reason as this guy. She wanted to wound him in a way that destroying replaceable property can't.
Yep! That's my take, too.
post #15 of 39
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
The fact that that suffers from depression is irrelevent and her statement that she did not know the cat would die is a LIE! Is she so STUPID that she thinks cats can breathe underwater and tolerate HOT water on their skin??? This is an atrocious act that she has performed and she has absolutely NO EXCUSE! I don't care if her boyfriend was an ogre or not. THAT has NOTHING to do with her INTENTIONALLY AND CRUELLY MURDERING THIS POOR CAT!!!

RIP sweet white kitty.
I second that!!! She knew what she was doing, I dont give a you know what, what anyone says!!! And using depression as an excuse.....you have GOT to be kidding me!

post #16 of 39
That woman is evil and should be put away for life as far as I'm concerned. I don't care if her boyfriend was a jerk- and there's no proof that he was. She deserves a fate worse than that of the cat.
post #17 of 39
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Originally Posted by theimp98 View Post
no the question is why does a women stay. if there needs are not being met then pack up your bags and leave. Sorry you cant blame everything bad that happens on men.
Wow... I don't think I can adequately express how offensive that is. Yes, women do things that are just as nutso and horrible as the things men do, I'm not saying that either gender is more at fault on the whole. But in a relationship where one person is abusing the other IT IS THE ABUSER'S FAULT. Always, inequivocably, without exception. I don't think we have any proof of anything about this relationship (if anything, it sounds like she was the abusive one) but if a man is abusing a woman, it is his fault. If a woman is abusing a man, it is her fault. The fact that the other person stays does not make it their own fault, it does not make it okay, does not make them deserve it, and unless you've been in that situation you've no right whatsoever to make any judgements about people who are in that situation. Basically, I agree with Mirinae.

Anyway, this woman is wholly responsible for her own actions, and deserves jail time.
post #18 of 39
This has NOTHING to do with a man. It is clearly 100% this woman's fault. She is scum and if it were allowed, I would like to see her put in a washing machine full of hot water and run at full cycle. It's people like this who make me sick. They want to blame someone else for THEIR actions!! I feel so bad for this cat. The fact that it died of heart failure means it truly was......scared to death I hope this woman gets what she deserves. What a piece of garbage.
post #19 of 39
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Wow... I don't think I can adequately express how offensive that is. Yes, women do things that are just as nutso and horrible as the things men do, I'm not saying that either gender is more at fault on the whole. But in a relationship where one person is abusing the other IT IS THE ABUSER'S FAULT. .

lol i said nothing about abuse, i said needs.

Of course if there is any type of abuse then that is the fault of the person doing it.
no person should stay, if there is any abuse. If they need help in leaving then get it.
be it from friends family or the police.
post #20 of 39
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Did I miss something in the article? Where is the assumption that the woman was abused by her boyfriend coming from?
You know, I was wondering the same thing. Women are perfectly capable of being the abusers, which it certainly sounds like she was.
post #21 of 39
just from some of the things said in the first post.
which i am sure most of us took wrong to start with lol
post #22 of 39
she is horrible and desrves to have the book thrown at her.
post #23 of 39
I really wish she lived in my street!
post #24 of 39
Women can be abusers just as much as men. I know plenty of people who are depressed (clinically and diagnosed) who would never hurt anyone. I find it sad the excuses her lawyers are making and they are insulting to women and ALL clinically depressed people.

This is just my opinion of what happened.
She sounds like she is a controlling person who was upset that her guy was in her eyes spending too much time with his kids, and so she hurt him feel by taking away some one he loved. She didn't kill one of his kids because she knew she would go to jail for a long time the next best thing was his kitty who was after all "just" a cat.

I feel so said for the kitty's Dad and cannot imagine the grief he feels.

RIP darling your Purrpaw will meet you again at the bridge.
post #25 of 39
I hope you don't mind me updating your thread catsknowme

I heard the result from the court case and it just disgusted me.

The evil just got off with it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6331411.stm



Suspended prison sentence she will never serve time. £300. fine and banned from owning animals for life.The RSPCA says "quote:This sends a strong signal to the public that animal cruelty will not be tolerated" .....Erm sorry What signal?It wasn't even her cat that she murdered.

I know of animal abusers who have been banned and they still own animals.There is
nobody to 'police' wether this ever owns an animal!! who are they kidding?

I saw the tv report when she was walking out and she is evil,The way she looked directly into the camera,That is not someone with depression she is a phsycho.
How dare she claim it was because of her depression,I've got depression,I've had it more years than I care to remember,I don't kill animals.I help them.
I wish I could have a few 'words' with that
post #26 of 39
Very sad. Seemed more like a slap on the wrist than a strong signal to me.

Does anyone really believe that any person who would do such a thing has committed their last violent act? Maybe next time they'll take it seriously. RIP kitty.
post #27 of 39
I knew when I saw the title of this thread it was gonna make me mad.

And it did

Then I read the whole thread and got madder

Then I saw what happened to her and I am extremely mad now

Some people are just evil, plain and simple, they are just evil. They don't even deserve to live on the same planet that I live on. They don't deserve to breath the air that I breath.

I hope that I never see this woman in person.

RIP poor poor kitty, have fun over at the Bridge.
post #28 of 39
They should have locked her up and thrown away the key Pathetic sentence - is that all Paws's life is worth?
post #29 of 39
Where did this happen at anyways?
post #30 of 39
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Where did this happen at anyways?
In Wales
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