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Robots will be given Human Rights

post #1 of 29
12/20/06 at 7:36am
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/5ae9b434-8f8...0779e2340.html



Am I mean for thinking this is insane.

And where they say something like "when humans create sentient beings, they must be given rights" (not a direct quote) that is just crazy to me,
uh, human will never be able to create sentient beings.

This article takes the cake. What do you guys think?
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post #2 of 29
12/20/06 at 7:42am
I've heard everything now!, but having said that, theres things that happen now in this day and age that i never thought would
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post #3 of 29
12/20/06 at 7:56am
there are still alot of HUMANS that don't get basic human rights, I think we need to worry about them first
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post #4 of 29
12/20/06 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
there are still alot of HUMANS that don't get basic human rights, I think we need to worry about them first
That about sums up my thoughts on the issue.
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post #5 of 29
12/20/06 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
there are still alot of HUMANS that don't get basic human rights, I think we need to worry about them first
AND, what about our companion animals that have zero rights and very little protections too?
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post #6 of 29
12/20/06 at 9:17am
I admit that I barely skimmed the article - a little too off the wall for me, unless, of course we are talking about Data from Star Trek The Next Generation.
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post #7 of 29
12/20/06 at 9:42am
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Data was an Android, I think that is different than a robot, although, come to think about it, maybe not.

I have seen them pop open his head and show his circuits so I guess he was a robot.
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post #8 of 29
12/20/06 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Data was an Android, I think that is different than a robot, although, come to think about it, maybe not.

I have seen them pop open his head and show his circuits so I guess he was a robot.
You're right though, they did call him an android.
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post #9 of 29
12/20/06 at 9:54am
Well it looks like I should probably stop punching my toaster everytime it burns a piece of toast, just in case.
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post #10 of 29
12/20/06 at 10:02am
well the next time my hairdryer acts badly - I´m gonna bash it into tiny pieces
then it cant go and complain about me
WHAT A LOAD OF OLD BUMKIN
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post #11 of 29
12/20/06 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
well the next time my hairdryer acts badly - I´m gonna bash it into tiny pieces
then it cant go and complain about me
WHAT A LOAD OF OLD BUMKIN
I wouldn't rush to do that. Most likely if the hairdryer talked badly about you to anyone, they would just think it was blowing alot of hot air
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post #12 of 29
12/20/06 at 10:21am
lol i will wait unti they create sentient beings.
the real question is what rights will humans clones have?
beisdes something to get there body parts from
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post #13 of 29
12/20/06 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by ReesesPBC View Post
I wouldn't rush to do that. Most likely if the hairdryer talked badly about you to anyone, they would just think it was blowing alot of hot air
oh dear me.........................
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post #14 of 29
12/20/06 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
uh, human will never be able to create sentient beings.

This article takes the cake. What do you guys think?
Well, I didn't read the article but I wanted to coment on a few things. I just did a research paper on AI and the idea of a sentient being isn't as far fetched as you may think.

An android is a robot made to resemble a human, usually both in appearance and behavior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android
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post #15 of 29
12/22/06 at 10:41am
umm... It's a robot.... who thought this one up??
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post #16 of 29
12/22/06 at 11:29am
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umm... It's a robot.... who thought this one up??
Somebody who just had to publish something?
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post #17 of 29
12/22/06 at 12:23pm
My brain hurts. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. Feel free to let fly with the "Mirinae doesn't have an opinion? Has she been replaced by a Pod Person?!?" comments.
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post #18 of 29
12/22/06 at 1:57pm
That is rediculious! They are not Human beings- they do not deserve the same rights! It is soooo pathetic to see how much rediculious effort and thought some people will put into machines when people are starving and dying all across this world! Where are peoples priorities?
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post #19 of 29
12/23/06 at 8:46am
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AND, what about our companion animals that have zero rights and very little protections too?
As a civilised society, we should be doing a lot more about this, IMO.

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Originally Posted by ReesesPBC View Post
Most likely if the hairdryer talked badly about you to anyone, they would just think it was blowing alot of hot air


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Well it looks like I should probably stop punching my toaster everytime it burns a piece of toast, just in case
As any fan of Battlestar Galactica can tell you, that's a very dangerous road to go down.....
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post #20 of 29
12/24/06 at 7:41am
I dunno...the idea of humans granting on of their creations "human rights" just seems kind of, well, godlike. I think it's a bit creepy. Or maybe just frighteningly arrogant.
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post #21 of 29
12/24/06 at 8:12am
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I don't believe humans can create life.


Yep, you are right, remember what happened with the Cylons.
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post #22 of 29
12/26/06 at 2:10am
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Yep, you are right, remember what happened with the Cylons
I happen to like the toasters, they carve up real nice with my new lightsaber. No wait...I'm sorry, I'm crossing my scifi again.

I think that it's absurd that a robot would be given "human rights". It is, after all, just a machine. Even if a robot/android were given basic human emotions and sensations (such as the ability to feel pain and/or fear) does this really make it "alive" in the sense that a living, breathing human is? I don't think that it does. The emotions and sensations that would belong to the robot/android would be something that the robot/android would be programmed to "feel". IMO, they would have no more "human rights" than my home PC is entitled to have- which would be none.

Bryan
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post #23 of 29
12/26/06 at 2:54am
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
They are not Human beings- they do not deserve the same rights! It is soooo pathetic to see how much rediculious effort ...when people are starving and dying all accross the world. Where are peoples priorities?
Your reason is the same one given to those who find nothing wrong with animal cruelty and abuse.
In human history, machines like animals were made to benefit humans. I think they deserve rights.
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post #24 of 29
12/26/06 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by yayi View Post
Your reason is the same one given to those who find nothing wrong with animal cruelty and abuse.
In human history, machines like animals were made to benefit humans. I think they deserve rights.
You must believe they have feelings then? I mean... if you are not joking... Really, I am NOT trying to be rude. Its just hard for me to believe that you might think that.

I think when we create a machine it is merely that a machine - a tool. I don't see how it can have feelings. I don't see how it can ever be a living being. On the other hand, there is no question that animals are living, feeling, beings. There is a HUGE difference.
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post #25 of 29
12/27/06 at 1:44am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
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I think when we create a machine it is merely that a machine - a tool. I don't see how it can have feelings. I don't see how it can ever be a living being.
A perfect example of the difference between East and West. I am Asian and although I grew up in the West, thanks to my parents, I retain that "Buddhist/Shinto" way of looking at things.
Sorry if my opinion is laughable.
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post #26 of 29
12/27/06 at 9:17am
If we manage to create a machine that is sentient, and is capable of emotion, then it should be protected from abuse and exploitation just like all humans and animals should. But when you watch a show like, say, Futurama, it isn't really all that nuts that Bender is treated like another person in the context of the show. We aren't talking about toasters and hairdryers. I don't believe we will ever create a machine that is truly sentient though. One that has artificial intelligence, yes. We can create one that is programmed to react in certain ways to certain situations (recreated emotions) but IMO we will never be able to program a machine to be illogical, one of the fundamentals of human experience. We are still having a very very hard time teaching computers language.
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post #27 of 29
12/28/06 at 8:04am
I personally think that anything with thoughts and feelings should be accorded respect for their physical being.

As far as not all humans having human rights, or animals not being accorded much needed protections, that's not an argument against giving sentient artifical creatures rights - it's an argument for.

If a creature we create, wholy artifically, is acknoweldged to have needs, rights, protections - however you want to word it - then there remains no reason not to accord them to others.

Remember, the first child abuse cases were persued under animal rights laws.
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post #28 of 29
12/28/06 at 8:15am
I cannot, as yet, form an opinion on this.
But, having read, more than once, Asimov's Complete Robot series, I'm inclined to believe that if we are able to create an AI 'life form' we are also responsible for it's wellbeing.

Watch Bicentennial Man, it will certainly put a new perspective on things.
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post #29 of 29
12/28/06 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
there are still alot of HUMANS that don't get basic human rights, I think we need to worry about them first
I agree 100%! Don't these people have more important things to worry about?!?!
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