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post #31 of 49
12/22/06 at 7:38pm
I think vaccines are needed but just like in our "lesser" animals we should look at if they are needed as much as we give them...
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post #32 of 49
12/22/06 at 8:10pm
A woman in my office doesn't beleive in vaccinations, and her and her kids are ALWAYS sick. Literally, every week, one of them is sick.. I think its ridiculous to not vaccinate your children...MILLIONS of people get vaccinations, and they are fine for their whole lives.
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post #33 of 49
12/22/06 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by LDG View Post
The mercury is contained in a preservative formerly used in many vaccines, Thimerasol. ...
Laurie
Thimerasol is now only in the flu vaccine in the US. No other vaccines have thimerasol anymore. So if anyone is worried about it, just don't get a flu shot, but all the other ones don't have any anymore.

My parents both had polio. I'm glad for that vaccine, having heard what the disease does! I have all my shots, and here it would actually be totally illegal not to. If your kids go to public school, they have to be vaccinated. If they don't, they should be. If you want to go to a state college, you'll be vaccinated as well, or they'll bring you down to the health center and do it for you. Vaccines are good. Some of the side effects aren't.

To me, it's like my asthma meds... sometimes they make my hands shaky and my heart race, but hey, that's better than dying from suffocating on my own lungs, right?

As for the HPV vaccine, I'll be getting that ASAP too. It's a vaccine that could nearly eradicate cervical cancer if everyone got it. How is that bad?
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post #34 of 49
12/22/06 at 10:09pm
Not all reactions are as innocuous as a racy heart or shaking hands. They can mean urine incontinence; never being able to ride a bike; being unable to turn a door knob, even to escape a fire; never being able to have a job. For the parents who have authorized the vaccine, it can mean getting a divorce; there's no such thing as an empty nest; the child will never grow up, maybe older, lonelier, sicker but never better, never happier.
Of course, these things can happen in an accident; it's probably more likely in an accident, such as a car accident, bicycling accident or horseback riding mishap, but it's one of those careful considerations that every parent should think about. It can and does happen....
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post #35 of 49
12/22/06 at 10:13pm
Here's a link provided by the U.S. gov. National Vaccine Injury Prevention:
http://www.909shot.com/
My best advice to other parents is read about it, think about it.....
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post #36 of 49
12/22/06 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
I feel that vaccines are worth the risk. HOWEVER, I have a brain-damaged 26 yo. daughter who suffered because of the old DPT shot. At the time that she was given the vaccine in 1981, it had been outlawed in England, France and Japan; the safer vaccine was readily available, but Lederle laboratories owned the patent here in the U.S. and didn't market it because the profit margin was lower (it's the DtP that is used today) . After the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act was passed by Sen. Ted Kennedy & crew, the DPT vaccine was banned in the U.S.; there was a class action lawsuit filed, but the average out-of-pocket cost to successful families was over $40K, so most of the suits, including mine, were dismissed with prejudice.
One of my closest friends is the youngest person in the U.S. to have suffered Post Polio Syndrome caused by the polio vaccine that she was given in the 1960s. She has been in a wheel chair and/or using a walker since we were in our late 30s.
So I know first hand that vaccine injuries can devastate a family, not just one life, but an entire FAMILY for a lifetime, yet I have whole-heartedly supported the vaccinations of my grandsons.
An important note - my daughter had severe swelling of her vaccination site after the 2nd shot. A "lowly" nurse-practitioner told me that my daughter prob. had an allergy to horse serum and not to get her any more shots. I delayed the 3rd shot - I asked 2 expert pediatricians, who both reassured me that the odds were so great that if I thought my daughter would get a bad reaction to the 3rd shot, I should go buy a lottery ticket. I should've bought the ticket Instead, I feel like a drunk driver who has injured a child
The decision was mine, it was wrong, and the culpability is mine - I ruined my child's life. But the warning was there - I just chose to ignore my mother's instincts, and the advice of others because I mistakenly thought that the opinion of someone with a "better" degree meant more.


Please don't think you ruined your daughters life! I just wanted to cry reading your post, I can't say how many people would have done the same thing! How many people have had it and are fine today. If some one is to "blame" it would be the "so called experts" who also prob never ecpected it either, I am sure they really felt she would do fine with it, so it can't be helped. So many people had the same shot, and some may have had a little reaction as well, and got the thrid with no complications too.
How old was your daughter when this happened? I have a 4 year old and she just goes once a year and I get what they say she is required so I am not sure what they are and all, and would have prob done the same thing. I hope you will forgive your self for this, I am sure you have been angry and blaming your self for many years, so please don't any more, you have suffered long enough for what happened. I hope you find peace with your self and stop taking the blame for some thing you did that could have been done differently, you didn't know it was going to happen, it's not your fault at all.
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post #37 of 49
12/22/06 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by celestialrags View Post
I hope you find peace with your self and stop taking the blame for some thing you did that could have been done differently, you didn't know it was going to happen, it's not your fault at all.
Thank you for your kind words. My daughter's first bad reaction was to the 2nd shot, at 9 mos.; it was severe swelling at the injection site, and fever. The nurse practioner thought that she might be allergic to horse serum, so I delayed getting further shots. But due to social pressures, I went to 2 different pediatricians (the former medical providers were at the tribal medical center) who assured me it would be fine. At age 15mos. she got the 3rd shot, and got a fever of 105, but was never hospitalized since she didn't go into convulsions. I didn't get her the booster till she was 3yrs. & the Kern Co. staff have me give her Tylenol 2 hrs. before the booster; they gave her a half dose, and she got a fever of 103 within the hour; they said, yup it's the DPT shot, never get her another.
Her older sister has all her immunizations, and now, so does my grandson( the older sister's son) and they have no problems.
What is hard is knowing that Lederle (now Wyatt Lederle) at the time had the patent for the safer vaccine used today, but didn't market it because of the low profit margins. And now the pharmaceutical companies want Congress to pass a law giving them immunity from civil lawsuits due to vaccine injuries
We do need the vaccines - look at what happens in other countries where they aren't readily available. I just think that people need to be informed, to make sure that the safest vaccines are given. I didn't realize that every year, children die in the U.S. because of the polio vaccine, and ONLY from the vaccine - polio, as itself, has been eradicated. The drug companies are big and powerful, and IMO, our government (CDC) needs to protect us at ALL COSTS!! These are OUR CHILDREN!!!
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post #38 of 49
12/22/06 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
The drug companies are big and powerful, and IMO, our government (CDC) needs to protect us at ALL COSTS!! These are OUR CHILDREN!!!
I couldn't agree with you more sweetie!
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post #39 of 49
12/23/06 at 4:30am
For the most part, I'm pro-vaccine. My grandmother had polio and I was told stories of what she went through to recover... no thank you.

But personally, I won't be getting the cervical cancer vaccine. If you read the published medical journals on this it says that in the testing the women who got the vaccine still showed pre-cancerous lesions (found during pap tests) from other versions of the virus.

"Twenty-two women receiving the vaccine did develop cervical abnormalities that can lead to cancer but these precancerous lesions were not associated with HPV-16."

"This study, like previous studies of HPV vaccines, did not directly show that vaccination reduces the occurrence of cervical cancer. Such a study would take between 10 and 20 years to complete and would be unethical, explains John T. Schiller, Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute’s Center for Cancer Research. "

But this unproven vaccine with unknown side effects is being pushed on me by my obgyn because you can only get it until the day of your 27th birthday... which would mean I would need the first shot in the series, like, today. Luckily, one of the companies who have created this vaccine is retesting it for women up to 45 and plan to resubmit their findings in order to gain approval. I think I'll wait and let them run more tests before I randomly drug myself with something we don't yet know the effects of. IMO, I'd rather have pap tests more often instead of taking a vaccine only to find out in 10 years that it causes birth defects or brain damage or something else horrendus. I'll take it when the studies prove it's safe and effective.
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post #40 of 49
12/23/06 at 7:30am
Here are my two cents:

I've been vaccinated against everything and so have my fur babies. But I remember, when I was a child, this little girl I used to play with. She was as normal as could be, just a typical child - until she got one of her vaccinations. Granted, I was about 7 or 8 years old at the time so my memory isn't great but my mother still reminds me every once in a while... she went from that child to a little girl who was just mentally handicapped, for lack of a better word. If I remember correctly, her speech went away, her abilities went downhill... Was it the vaccination? I guess we'll never know...

I wanted to get that vaccination for cervical cancer but the fact that it requires 3 doses is something that doesn't fit into my work schedule... I'll have to try to get it over the summer before I get too old (oh my word)! That and I want to hear more about it - you know how medical things go - first it's good for you, then a new study comes out and oops, sorry, can have these harmful effects...
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post #41 of 49
12/23/06 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by pinkdaisy226 View Post
Here are my two cents:

she went from that child to a little girl who was just mentally handicapped, for lack of a better word. If I remember correctly, her speech went away, her abilities went downhill... Was it the vaccination? I guess we'll never know...

I wanted to get that vaccination for cervical cancer but the fact that it requires 3 doses is something that doesn't fit into my work schedule... I'll have to try to get it over the summer before I get too old (oh my word)! That and I want to hear more about it - you know how medical things go - first it's good for you, then a new study comes out and oops, sorry, can have these harmful effects...
You are definitely describing my daughter
I am very impressed on your research on the HPV vaccine
And I want to send a BIG SALUTE to enkeli-kitten for starting this thread At only 17 years [she can't even respond in this thread due to her young age ] she is considering a far-too-overlooked topic. I am so impressed - with young people such as these, we elders can know that we are leaving the world in good hands
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post #42 of 49
12/24/06 at 1:12pm
I met one of my coworker's brothers the other day. He had been a perfectly normal kid, went to college on scholarship, and contracted meningitis. He nearly died and is now permanently, severely brain damaged. I'd put him at the mental age of 3-4 years old. If he had been vaccinated, he'd most likely be leading a normal life instead of having to be cared for 24/7.

Also, I used to work at a blood donation center. I tested donated blood for diseases, and let me tell you I was so glad that I was vaccinated for Hepatitis B! So many people have it without knowing. It's not unusual for lab techs, nurses, and doctors to accidentally contract Hep B from a patient so the vaccine is usually highly recommended by our employers and they'll pay for it if you need to get it done.

I understand that there are still problems with reactions to the vaccines, and I can't see why they don't put out vaccines that are less likely to cause problems. But between my personal experience and what I've read about in other countries (not to mention meeting Mexican immigrant children with polio ), I'm totally for vaccinating children and myself. The only reason these diseases aren't a huge problem in the US now is because the vaccines have prevented so many infections.
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post #43 of 49
12/25/06 at 12:13am
Many of the illnesses that kids had years ago have all but been eradicated because of vaccines. I had the chicken pox and mumps when I was a kid before they had the vaccine. I also had the measles that caused hearing loss when they broke out in my ear and ruptured the eardrum. A kid in the nursery at church had the measles at the same time and it broke out in his brain and killed him.

Children today are healthier because of the vaccinations. You cannot even enroll your child in school without them.

Yes, there are side effects, but the good of the vaccinations far outweigh the bad.
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post #44 of 49
12/25/06 at 1:12am
[quote=Catkiki;1486317]You cannot even enroll your child in school without them.
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For the record, you CAN enroll your children in California without the vaccinations as long as you cite religous beliefs for not getting them. Medical reasons, such as allergies, do not apply.
I guess whether or not a child gets injured by the vaccines is part of the gamble of life. My nephew was in a traffic accident on Wed; neither he or the driver were wearing seatbelts. Their truck slid on black ice and went 600 ft. into an Arizona snowfilled canyon. The driver flew out first and was killed; my nephew ejected later and suffered only cuts, bruises and a wrenched back and was treated and released. The sheriff's dept. told my brother that had either of them been buckled in, it would have been hopeless - the truck will remain smashed in the ravine, unable to be retreived.
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post #45 of 49
12/25/06 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by MuttigreeMom View Post
For the most part, I'm pro-vaccine. My grandmother had polio and I was told stories of what she went through to recover... no thank you.

But personally, I won't be getting the cervical cancer vaccine. If you read the published medical journals on this it says that in the testing the women who got the vaccine still showed pre-cancerous lesions (found during pap tests) from other versions of the virus.

"Twenty-two women receiving the vaccine did develop cervical abnormalities that can lead to cancer but these precancerous lesions were not associated with HPV-16."

"This study, like previous studies of HPV vaccines, did not directly show that vaccination reduces the occurrence of cervical cancer. Such a study would take between 10 and 20 years to complete and would be unethical, explains John T. Schiller, Ph.D., of the National Cancer Institute’s Center for Cancer Research. "

But this unproven vaccine with unknown side effects is being pushed on me by my obgyn because you can only get it until the day of your 27th birthday... which would mean I would need the first shot in the series, like, today. Luckily, one of the companies who have created this vaccine is retesting it for women up to 45 and plan to resubmit their findings in order to gain approval. I think I'll wait and let them run more tests before I randomly drug myself with something we don't yet know the effects of. IMO, I'd rather have pap tests more often instead of taking a vaccine only to find out in 10 years that it causes birth defects or brain damage or something else horrendus. I'll take it when the studies prove it's safe and effective.
Wow, very enlightening post, thank you. I don't think I would get it either.
(I'm to old anyway, LOL) And what is their reason for only giving it until your 27th birthday, I would very interested to know.
I would not want to be any doctor' gueni pig (sp). I'm glad you are not letting your Doctor push you into it.
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post #46 of 49
12/26/06 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Wow, very enlightening post, thank you. I don't think I would get it either.
(I'm to old anyway, LOL) And what is their reason for only giving it until your 27th birthday, I would very interested to know.
I would not want to be any doctor' gueni pig (sp). I'm glad you are not letting your Doctor push you into it.
Glad to help

Right now the vaccine has only been approved for women through their 26th birthday. So at 27 the doctors are no longer allowed to give it to you until the drug companies get approval for women 27-45, which they are currently seeking.
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post #47 of 49
12/26/06 at 9:27am
Iv' e never had bad side effects from vaccinations. I don't think its that big of a deal. I would rather be sore or sick for a couple days then what happens if you actually get the disease.
Some vaccinations are mandatory here if you want to put your kids in the public school system.
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post #48 of 49
12/27/06 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
Here's a link provided by the U.S. gov. National Vaccine Injury Prevention:
http://www.909shot.com/....
The above organization uses "national" in its title, but it's NOT a U.S. Government site.

I believe the diseases are far riskier than the immunizations.

Cheers, from
SwampWitch
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post #49 of 49
1/1/07 at 11:33pm
Someone brought up the topic of the new HPV vaccine...i started a thread about Guardasil out of curisity a while back. Has anyone gotten the vaccinations? If so, did you have any side effects yet? I'm going to my doctor on the 19th....so I plan to ask about it then. (i'm still undecided on getting it or not since there hasn't been much long term research) If anyone would like to- post a list of questions you have about it- and i'll write it down and ask about it to see if we can come up with some answers to our questions
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