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post #1 of 49
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I don't take vaccinations!! They can cause injury, illness and death. Autism is an epidemic in vaccinated children. Allergies and other immune system failures have seen a dramatic rise since the beginning of vaccinations.

This year the government here in NZ introduced a free meningitis vaccination for school kids. After scaring us all stiff with a video in compulsary assembly on what meningitis can do to you with images of children covered in scars, with missing limbs and photographs of dead children and interviews with parents and survivors (and this was shown to kids only 11 years old), we had to fill out forms and return them saying we would have the vaccine. Of course, after seeing the terrible things that meningitis does, most kids were terrified into accepting. Parental permission was given (and parents were not told serious side effects were possible, only the "mild" ones like vomiting, swelling, stiffness and dizziness) and then the nurses came around all the schools. Three separate injections would be given over a period of about 6 months. I didn't want the injection, but I was amazed at how many people did. Only two people in my class refused the injection.

The injections caused most people a painful swelling and stiffness in the upper arm where it was given. Many people's whole arm, neck and shoulder muscles were sore for days and even a gentle touch would hurt my friends a lot. In my school alone, three kids passed out after the injection and many were sick either straight after or the day after.

There are three phases in vaccine testing, and only two had been carried out when the vaccine was given. Instead of phase three, they used results from an abandoned Norwegian trial of a very similar (but not exactly the same) vaccination, (Norway is the only other country that has investigated the vaccination) ignoring results like 512 side effects, 14 considered serious, and 5 school kids developed serious neurological diseases. And it only protected about 50% of the test subjects from meningitis. Knowing this, the NZ government gave out the vaccine. In effect, New Zealand schoolchildren were the guinea pigs in an experiment.

So far 33 ACC claims in NZ have been granted as injury caused by the injection. And nobody knows what the long term effects might be.

Vaccines are poisons. Mercury and aluminium are present in some vaccines still. Human immunity from disease is not just creating antibodie. Immunity really comes from basic overall health, not from a shot of dead or alive germs and dangerous chemicals.

A few sources:
http://www.healthy.net/scr/news.asp?Id=8748
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...m_epidemic.htm

The only vaccination I've ever had is against whooping cough - and interestingly, whooping cough is the only major illness I've ever had, I got it earlier this year. And in the US, the only known cause of Polio is the Polio vaccine itself. What do you guys think of / know about vaccinations?
post #2 of 49
I have ALL of my kids shots UTD!! I will not let mine go unvacinated.To me, the side effects are minimal compared to the disease in which they are for.
My Daughter had the Menagitis shot and had NO ill effects from it.It was a one time shot and she only had a LITTLE tenderness where the shot was given in her arm.I am getting my 13 year old Son given the shot after Christmas.
There is a new vaccine for Cervical Cancer, and as Cancer runs RAMPED in my family, my Daughter WILL be getting that shot also.
That's MY opinion................
post #3 of 49
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Originally Posted by enkeli-kitten View Post
I don't take vaccinations!! They can cause injury, illness and death.
So can getting out of bed in the morning and leaving your house.
post #4 of 49
Ummm.. FYI http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/VIS/vis-IPV.pdf.
The polio vaccine that causes polio is the oral vaccine...the shot itself does not cause polio.

Anyways, IMO vaccines should run with a risk estimation: What's the likelihood of your child getting the disease? Is the shot fully affective towards the vaccine? What is the likelihood of death if the child does not receive the shot? Etc...Then go from there.

IMO, vaccines such as the ones for the flu are worthless. I'm more likely to get the flu with the flu shot, rather than go without. Actually I had the flu 2 years ago and it was the first time in 6 years that I had the flu. When I was younger and my mom made me get the flu shots, then I had the flu at least once a year.
But its rare to die from the flu nowadays. Only those with weak immune systems should consider getting the flu shots.

However, the polio vaccine, small pox, etc, I would still give to my kids (if I have any). Polio is rare now because of the shot. There has not been an outbreak of polio in the US for 20 years. Small pox still poses a danger. It's contained, but if the vials were in the wrong hands, it could potentially host a threat...i.e. if terrorists or someone we were at war with at the time let small pox loose. If no one is immuned to it, then the country could potentially be wiped out.
post #5 of 49
Yuh. Definitely vaccines for me. And my children. And my animals. If you look at ALL the statistics, the incidence of injury and death and serious illness are so minimal compared to the stats for the incidence of the diseases vaccinated against.

I'm prepared to accept the risks, too. Again, for myself, my children and my animals. Because the risk of getting something when not vaccinated is much higher. MUCH higher.

I have a friend who will not vaccinate her child. And as a result, never lets him do anything, ever. He barely comes into contact with other kids. She's too scared he'll catch something. Madness. That poor kid - it has so many social ramifications, too, if it causes overprotection like that. They make the videos scary because meningitis IS scary. It kills. MUCH more often than the vaccine for it does. So what if you get a sore arm and neck? I'd rather have that than run the risk of dying a horrible death. Or, in the case of measles, not knowing I had the antibody and then giving birth to a deformed or mentally retarded child as a result.

Each to their own, but I would not put my children at the risk of awful diseases because of my own beliefs. Have them vaccinated. We shouldn't take the right of a healthy life away from them just in case something bad happens. If I lived my life like that I'd never get out of bed!
post #6 of 49
I'll take vaccinations, thank you very much. Heck, I even got a flu shot, but that was mostly to get free cookies and a break from work. Priorities, y'know? (I didn't get it last year because they were worried about shortages, and I'm not considered to be an "at risk" person because I'm young and healthy.)

I think we have less to worry about with vaccinations than we do with this bizarre philosophy that forces us to spray antibacterial stuff all over everything and bleach the heck out of our belongings, lest they become contaminated with somebody else's germs. I ate dirt as a kid. Actually, I ate a lot of dirt. I never use antibacterial wipes, I don't disinfect things, and I'm often exposed to sick people. How often do I get sick? Maybe once a year. Tops. My DF is exactly the same ... healthier, even. If he gets sick at all, the illness is gone within 24 hours. I also rarely bruise, despite how clumsy I am, and any cuts I get heal quickly and neatly (unless a cat did it ...). So, my philosophy is: vaccinate your kids and let them eat dirt. It's good for them. Seriously.
post #7 of 49
While vaccines can have some side effects I think they are far less than the risks of contracting of those diseases. I'd rather be safe then sorry and I know that if I were to refuse a vaccine for my son, and he did come down with an ilness that could have been prevented I would never forgive myself.

With my animals things are a bit different. I believe a one time vaccination is enough for a lifetime. My dogs were vaccinated once as puppies, I believe it was a 7in1 vaccine. I chose not to vaccinate against rabies. Why? My grandmother has lived here in Puerto Rico all of her life, and in all of her years there has never been a rabies outbreak. So why vaccinate if it isnt needed?

I do vaccinate my pups against Parvo (which has been documented alot here). With my animals I go with what illnesses and diseases affect my area. I dont believe in over vaccinateing my animals.
post #8 of 49
First of all, a connection between vaccinations and autism has not been conclusively proven. It is complicated by the fact that autism shows up around the same time as the first vaccinations.

When you decide not to have the vaccinations, you are betting on everyone else having them so you do not get the diseases. If more people decide what you decided, more of the population is at risk for disease so your chances of getting the disease goes up. Measles killed approx 329 000 - 596 000 in 2004, mostly in large un-vaccinated populations in Africa. There was a resurgence of measles in 1989-1990 resulting in 55000 cases and 120 deaths in the US. At the height of the polio epidemic in 1952, nearly 60,000 cases with more than 3,000 deaths were reported in the United States alone. The oral version of the vaccine does cause 10 cases a year, but the other version does not cause any.

Also, if you travel, you put all of the un-vaccinated at risk. Travelers coming into your country probably are not required to be vaccinated.

post #9 of 49
Lava Girl will be vaccinated. I dont want to chance her getting anything. Rare or not.
post #10 of 49
In alot of States, if you choose NOT to vaccinate your children.........you are considered doing Child endangering or neglect.And if you can't prove it's against your religion, you can have your kids taken from you!!!
I'll take the side effects over EVER loosing my kids due to shots.
post #11 of 49
Yes, there can be side effects with vaccinations - Just as you can get side effects with any medication on the market - But you would ban or stop all medications because ONE person might have a reaction to it??

No of course not, because people would be dying like flies if this was the case.

It has still not been proven that vaccinations cause autism.

And small pox was ERRADICATED because of the vaccine! Otherwise millions of people would still be getting small pox every year.

I for one will take the risk and would for my children as well - Better to potentially lose one child, than millions when something can be done about it.
post #12 of 49
My best friends mother is a homeopath so my friend has never had any shots in her life. Another of my friends and her sister both got i think it was mumps or measles from the vaccine and now don't get them. I've had all of mine, too scared of getting sick not to.
I'll definetly be getting the HPV vaccine, it just seems like such a simple way to basically save yourself from cervical cancer.
post #13 of 49
I have been vaccianted just a couple times for different things. Just when I was a baby, when I started school. Oh and a tetanus shot a few years ago becuase I handle feral animals sometimes. If I had a kid it would just be on a case by case basis as to whether or not I will vaccinate them.

As for my cats, I vaccinate up through the first adult vaccine then never again after that. Continous vaccinations yearly is just ridiculous if you ask me. I have seen or known of too many horrible things going wrong when pets are overvaccinted, they end up sick with the thing that they are being vaccinated against, etc. Vaccines last for years, some for a lifetime, so why do it every single freakin year? That just makes no logical sense to me. Risking a negative reaction to the vaccine every year which could result in infections, sickness, amputation, etc is just stupid. People who vaccinate pets yearly are just asking for something to go wrong IMO. This is a big IMO because I know many people just blindly listen to every work their vet says and follow what they say like god hehe.
post #14 of 49
If we're talking about pets, then no I don't do shots yearly. I think until they are a year old is enough.
But, for skin kids, then YES I believe in getting them
post #15 of 49
I have a friend who has an austic son. He has done alot of research on the subject. It isn't so much the vaccines as the mercury in the shots. And at some point the shot schedule for babies was doubled (where the little ones get more shots at one time then they used to) and it corralates with an increase in autism. He runs a little forum about the subject. If you are interested in checking it out PM me. I never had trouble with my kids, but I think mine were before the ramped up shot schedule. I don't remember all the facts and stuff, but it was enough to make me wonder if there isn't something there.
post #16 of 49
I would rather be protected from diseases like meningitis, then have to run the risk of getting it. Vaccinations have saved children's lives. The number of children who have died from thinks like Small Pox, Mumps, Rubella... among others, are non existent. Chicken Pox has pratically been wiped out of our schools. Yes immunity can be developed by everyday living, but like I said before, there are certian things I would rather not get... ever. Vaccinations are required before children can enter school both grade school and college, and for good reason. We don't need a mumps outbreak among a group of 4-5-and 6 year olds. Granted I HATE needles. They freak me out and make me very nervous. But I still get my shots... kicking and screaming no less, but I get them because 2 minutes of pain out weights days of being sick. I just got my TB test. Everyone said that it won't hurt well guess what it did....and the nurse put the needle right in front of my face... I tried to answer her questions but all I could think about was that needle in front of my face. Is it bad that me, a 24 year old woman wanted a lollipop after that one?? haha Did I want to get that test done? No, but I want to teach so I had to get it done.
post #17 of 49
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Yuh. Definitely vaccines for me. And my children. And my animals. If you look at ALL the statistics, the incidence of injury and death and serious illness are so minimal compared to the stats for the incidence of the diseases vaccinated against.

I'm prepared to accept the risks, too. Again, for myself, my children and my animals. Because the risk of getting something when not vaccinated is much higher. MUCH higher.

I have a friend who will not vaccinate her child. And as a result, never lets him do anything, ever. He barely comes into contact with other kids. She's too scared he'll catch something. Madness. That poor kid - it has so many social ramifications, too, if it causes overprotection like that. They make the videos scary because meningitis IS scary. It kills. MUCH more often than the vaccine for it does. So what if you get a sore arm and neck? I'd rather have that than run the risk of dying a horrible death. Or, in the case of measles, not knowing I had the antibody and then giving birth to a deformed or mentally retarded child as a result.

Each to their own, but I would not put my children at the risk of awful diseases because of my own beliefs. Have them vaccinated. We shouldn't take the right of a healthy life away from them just in case something bad happens. If I lived my life like that I'd never get out of bed!
I couldn't agree more! I am for most vaccinations. And in a side note- I don't see anything wrong with the menengitious vaccination! I had it two years ago before I entered college- i didn't get sore or anything. I'd much rather have a vaccine that can help prevent a serious illness which could result in death, than menegitious! I didn't have any problems with the vaccine- i'm glad i got it Considering that I am a college student, and that I also worked full time around kids at the time i got the shot- it was a smart move- i was in a high risk category for it, and to me, getting a shot that could help prevent it was the right move for me to make Also- I research every vaccine before allowing myself to be vaccinated (or my animals)- for the most part i'm ok with all of them. / There are a few new developments related to autism/ and infant shots- more specifically the mercury/etc in the needles- so if i ever have children...i will definitely research on what vaccines they absolutely need before exposing them to something that could result in autism- i think i'd be more likely to try and space out their shots than completly go without vaccinating them. I just wouldn't feel safe without vaccinating my kids from potentially deadly illnesses. I'll figure it out when the time comes i suppose Most likely i will vaccinate my future kids- but try to spread it out over time
post #18 of 49
I think getting vaccinations for pets every, single year is just crazy. My brother has had two dogs get deathly ill from vaccinations. One died from it and the other is permenently handicapped. They were able to recoup all the money ($4,000 to 5,000) from the mfr of the vaccination for the dog that lived but has permenent neurological damage.

No one can tell me that those vaccinations only last one year. There is absolutely no reason to get your pets annual vaccinations.

Check out this link on the dangers of animal vaccinations.

http://www.leerburg.com/vaccinosis.htm


I think it is just a racket by mots Vets to get more money.
post #19 of 49
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
I have a friend who has an austic son. He has done alot of research on the subject. It isn't so much the vaccines as the mercury in the shots. And at some point the shot schedule for babies was doubled (where the little ones get more shots at one time then they used to) and it corralates with an increase in autism. He runs a little forum about the subject. If you are interested in checking it out PM me. I never had trouble with my kids, but I think mine were before the ramped up shot schedule. I don't remember all the facts and stuff, but it was enough to make me wonder if there isn't something there.
The mercury is contained in a preservative formerly used in many vaccines, Thimerasol. While the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) maintains that the work done by Geier & Geier was flawed, this is the only report they address - but there have been many others:

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vac...references.htm

On the other hand, despite the denials by the CDC that there is a link between Thimerasol and autism, the use of thimerasol has been phased out of most vaccines used on children preschool - 12 years of age:

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conce...imerosal.htm#4

Laurie
post #20 of 49
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
I have a friend who has an austic son. He has done alot of research on the subject. It isn't so much the vaccines as the mercury in the shots. And at some point the shot schedule for babies was doubled (where the little ones get more shots at one time then they used to) and it corralates with an increase in autism. He runs a little forum about the subject. If you are interested in checking it out PM me. I never had trouble with my kids, but I think mine were before the ramped up shot schedule. I don't remember all the facts and stuff, but it was enough to make me wonder if there isn't something there.
Correlation does not always equal causation. Let me give you an example. Statistical studies have shown that increased ice cream consumption is correlated with increased crime. Does this mean that ice cream causes crime? Or might there be some other reason that crime increases at the same time as ice cream consumption?
post #21 of 49
All those damn criminals getting hyped up on icecream
post #22 of 49
I have never ever personally been vaccinated against anything. My parents didnt believe in them. So if I encounter something I'll probably catch it. I will get all my kids vaccinated. I also got all my pets vaccinated. Amber gets her animals done too. Here you have to get the rabies once a year. She also gets the dogs Kennel Cough vaccine yearly because she brings them everywhere.
post #23 of 49
I feel that vaccines are worth the risk. HOWEVER, I have a brain-damaged 26 yo. daughter who suffered because of the old DPT shot. At the time that she was given the vaccine in 1981, it had been outlawed in England, France and Japan; the safer vaccine was readily available, but Lederle laboratories owned the patent here in the U.S. and didn't market it because the profit margin was lower (it's the DtP that is used today) . After the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act was passed by Sen. Ted Kennedy & crew, the DPT vaccine was banned in the U.S.; there was a class action lawsuit filed, but the average out-of-pocket cost to successful families was over $40K, so most of the suits, including mine, were dismissed with prejudice.
One of my closest friends is the youngest person in the U.S. to have suffered Post Polio Syndrome caused by the polio vaccine that she was given in the 1960s. She has been in a wheel chair and/or using a walker since we were in our late 30s.
So I know first hand that vaccine injuries can devastate a family, not just one life, but an entire FAMILY for a lifetime, yet I have whole-heartedly supported the vaccinations of my grandsons.
An important note - my daughter had severe swelling of her vaccination site after the 2nd shot. A "lowly" nurse-practitioner told me that my daughter prob. had an allergy to horse serum and not to get her any more shots. I delayed the 3rd shot - I asked 2 expert pediatricians, who both reassured me that the odds were so great that if I thought my daughter would get a bad reaction to the 3rd shot, I should go buy a lottery ticket. I should've bought the ticket Instead, I feel like a drunk driver who has injured a child
The decision was mine, it was wrong, and the culpability is mine - I ruined my child's life. But the warning was there - I just chose to ignore my mother's instincts, and the advice of others because I mistakenly thought that the opinion of someone with a "better" degree meant more.
post #24 of 49
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Originally Posted by PurrPaws View Post
Correlation does not always equal causation. Let me give you an example. Statistical studies have shown that increased ice cream consumption is correlated with increased crime. Does this mean that ice cream causes crime? Or might there be some other reason that crime increases at the same time as ice cream consumption?
Agreed, and I am typically a skeptical person with stuff like this. But I read enough to atleast make me wonder.
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For my pets, I follow these guidelines.
post #27 of 49
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties View Post
Germany is actually thinking about making vaccinations against childhood diseases mandatory. A lot of people don't have their kids immunized (and there are major outbreaks of meningitis among teens every year, with fatalities). One point being made is that if parents are required to take their kids in for physicals and inoculations at regular intervals, more cases of child abuse will be recognized before it's too late. Currently, 2 or 3 kids die every week as a result of abuse or neglect.
post #28 of 49
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Germany is actually thinking about making vaccinations against childhood diseases mandatory. A lot of people don't have their kids immunized (and there are major outbreaks of meningitis among teens every year, with fatalities). One point being made is that if parents are required to take their kids in for physicals and inoculations at regular intervals, more cases of child abuse will be recognized before it's too late. Currently, 2 or 3 kids die every week as a result of abuse or neglect.
I think you have made an excellent point about child abuse.
post #29 of 49
My husband spent much of his childhood/adolescence in a boarding school, so his younger brother (now 50) was virtually an "only child" who didn't contract most childhood diseases. As the father of two children, he has contracted whooping cough, scarlet fever, and mumps. Ditto our neighbor, who had a very bad case of mumps in his early 30s, which he got from his kids. Mumps in a post-pubescent male can be very painful, and lead to sterility. I really think people should weigh the side-effects of inoculations against the risks for other children and adults before deciding that they are anti-vaccination.
post #30 of 49
I was about ready to post a link about that girl who managed to cause a serious outbreak of measles around here. I think the fact that we so rarely see the effects of terrible diseases like Measles, Mumps, and Rubella is why so many people are jumping on the anti-vaccine bandwagen. If you don't see the very real, very horrible threat of these diseases and the havoc they reek when they spread it's easy to forget. These diseases kill people. Lots of people. They cause long term hospitalizations. I am not willing to expose myself or others to these diseases. I'm glad that schools and colleges require vaccines.
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