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post #1 of 31
12/12/06 at 12:07pm
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5 prostitutes in Suffolk have been murdered and its terrifying. Ipswich is so... Nothing happens in Ipswich! and now all these girls are dying, and noone seems to have any leads. Plus there haven't been Any descriptions of the bodies so you can tell they died in a really horrific way
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6168697.stm
They've since found more bodies than in the link.
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post #2 of 31
12/12/06 at 12:13pm
I know - its so terrible, Sky News is like covering non-stop, you just have to turn over in the end. I use to have to travel & work in Ipswich when I lived in the UK and I know the roads that they have closed off.
Those poor girls.........all the other prostitutes are being advised to stop working, cos well this killer is just plain MAD and seems to be on a major thing against prositutes
STAY SAFE GIRLS of Ipswich
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post #3 of 31
12/12/06 at 12:35pm
That story is getting quite a bit of coverage on the Continent, too. It really reminds me of Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper. http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...fe/mask_1.html I hope they're looking at lorry drivers. A German truck driver was recently arrested who was killing prostitutes here and in France, which immediately made people think of Sutcliffe.
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post #4 of 31
12/12/06 at 12:53pm
I just saw this on the new over here. 5 dead already. They said that the know the cause of death in one case, which was strangulation. My guess is that because he dumped them in the water (Green River Killer anyone?) the rate of decomposition is so accellerated that they may still be assessing what the pre- and post-mortem injuries are.

I hope they catch this guy before he kills again!
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post #5 of 31
12/12/06 at 12:59pm
I don't really care whether this guy is killing prostitutes or dinner ladies- the fact is that he is out there and he is killing WOMEN and needs to be stopped. The fact that these women work in the sex industry is unimportant in view of the fact they are being murdered.
I hope he gets stopped soon
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post #6 of 31
12/12/06 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by silentNate View Post
The fact that these women work in the sex industry is unimportant in view of the fact they are being murdered.
I hope he gets stopped soon

you are totally correct BUT unfortunately this killer is targeting prostitutes.......so it is important to women in that industry to look after themselves and help the police, as anyone should who has any knowledge what-so-ever.............everyone needs to pull together, but the polices 1st port of call will be the community affected, whether that be prositutes, youths, afro-caribbeans, gays, late-night clubs etc etc.........
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post #7 of 31
12/12/06 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by silentNate View Post
I don't really care whether this guy is killing prostitutes or dinner ladies- the fact is that he is out there and he is killing WOMEN and needs to be stopped. The fact that these women work in the sex industry is unimportant in view of the fact they are being murdered.
I hope he gets stopped soon
Agreed. He's picking on prostitutes because they are very vulnerable. CNN has also picked up the story: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html
It's really frightening, and, as Heidi said, reminiscent of the Green River killer. The women in those cases did become aware of the threat, but found/had few alternatives to soliciting. Both Sutcliffe and Gary Ridgway killed women/girls who weren't prostitutes, too, so the attitude that "it doesn't affect me" is ridiculous. No matter what their occupation, the victims had family and friends, and their lives were worth as much as anybody else's.
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post #8 of 31
12/12/06 at 1:35pm
ohh that is just terrible.
It always shakes you to the core when you hear stuff like that.
Lets hope this person gets caught very very soon.
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post #9 of 31
12/12/06 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by EricaNicole View Post
ohh that is just terrible.
It always shakes you to the core when you hear stuff like that.
Lets hope this person gets caught very very soon.
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, but I'd love to see this guy tried and sentenced in Texas. Better yet, how about him picking the "wrong" victim, and finding himself at the very sharp end of a razor knife?
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post #10 of 31
12/12/06 at 2:12pm
It's terrible that these women are targets becuase of the life style they live, and its under the assumption that no one cares. people do! I do!


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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, but I'd love to see this guy tried and sentenced in Texas. Better yet, how about him picking the "wrong" victim, and finding himself at the very sharp end of a razor knife?
now...let this fella find me on the streets....get a judo chop to the throat!
Guys (under the assumption he's a male since it is women being attacked and those women are in a life style easily targeted by agressors) like him dont always do to well in prision...inmates would LOVE to mess up a person like him. Child molester and killers, rapist too often find prision life very very difficult. His hell wouldnt even begin during intake...wait till inmate shower time
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post #11 of 31
12/12/06 at 2:14pm
From a killer's perspective, prostitutes are easy prey. They willingly get into cars with strangers. There are often different people interacting with them, so as a group they won't necessarily notice a new person coming around. Many times they are transient and won't be missed as quickly.

Please don't get me wrong - it doesn't matter what their profession, no one deserves this! I'm just saying that the Oldest Profession is also a dangerous profession for many reasons.
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post #12 of 31
12/12/06 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
From a killer's perspective, prostitutes are easy prey. They willingly get into cars with strangers. There are often different people interacting with them, so as a group they won't necessarily notice a new person coming around. Many times they are transient and won't be missed as quickly.

Please don't get me wrong - it doesn't matter what their profession, no one deserves this! I'm just saying that the Oldest Profession is also a dangerous profession for many reasons.
Word!
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post #13 of 31
12/13/06 at 2:38am
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It really reminds me of Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper. http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...fe/mask_1.html .
Tricia he was the first person i thought of I remember when a man accross the river from me sent a hoax tape in claiming he was the ripper, and because of that the police started looking at my area, but in the meantime Sutcliffe was able to murder again

My husband used to meet me from the bus on an evening because like the girls in Ipswich we were scared to go out alone, even though the murders happend 3 hours away in Leeds

They think one of the two latest bodies that they've found is a girl originally from my area because her fathers been on the t.v.. I just hope he doesn't reach Sutcliffes figures in victims, and prostitutes or not their someones daughter, sister, aunt etc..
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post #14 of 31
12/13/06 at 5:54am
Big article in USATOday here this morning....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...stitutes_x.htm
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post #15 of 31
12/13/06 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
you are totally correct BUT unfortunately this killer is targeting prostitutes.......so it is important to women in that industry to look after themselves and help the police, as anyone should who has any knowledge what-so-ever.............everyone needs to pull together, but the polices 1st port of call will be the community affected, whether that be prositutes, youths, afro-caribbeans, gays, late-night clubs etc etc.........
Everyone should be careful he may decide that any woman walking outside is a prostitute. Then Green River killer killed some women that not were involved in the sex industry.

This is why there has to be better protection these women, its not advocating it but reality. Prostitution has been going on since the beginning of time, its not going away, maybe a policy like in Amsterdam is needed.
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post #16 of 31
12/13/06 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Sims2fan View Post
Everyone should be careful he may decide that any woman walking outside is a prostitute. Then Green River killer killed some women that not were involved in the sex industry.
Yes this is the sad truth, that also happened in the Yorkshire Ripper murders too so the whole of Ipswich is now a deserted town..............


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Originally Posted by Sims2fan View Post
This is why there has to be better protection these women, its not advocating it but reality. Prostitution has been going on since the beginning of time, its not going away, maybe a policy like in Amsterdam is needed.
I agree, on a recent trip to Amsterdam, we called into the Red Light Area - everyone does, its on the Guided Tour and the people that work in the industry are safe, can work and have good health care too. Is this ever going to be on the policitcal agenda
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post #17 of 31
12/13/06 at 11:56am
There wondering if he's a necrophilia now because of the dates they went missing to the dates they were found
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post #18 of 31
12/13/06 at 12:09pm
Its so scary!

I don't know if I'm being unfair but I can't watch the news anymore because it seems like they are sensationalizing it. As in they seem happy to have such an exciting story to cover, its making me ill these are human lives.

Is it just me?
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post #19 of 31
12/13/06 at 12:15pm
I called into my friends for a coffee tonight and it was on the news, but like she said, although it's upsetting to watch, it's morbid curiosity as well.

What i did find tasteless was the father of one of the dead girls on t.v. tonight talking to a t.v. reporter about the drugs she used and showing him how she used them, and i'm sure it was in her flat?!
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post #20 of 31
12/13/06 at 12:21pm
Thats horrible Why do they show stuff like that. Her life didn't mean any less because she was a prostitute! They would never talk about a victim like this otherwise.
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post #21 of 31
12/13/06 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by rosiemac View Post
What i did find tasteless was the father of one of the dead girls on t.v. tonight talking to a t.v. reporter about the drugs she used and showing him how she used them, and i'm sure it was in her flat?!
I think I saw that, was it the father of one of the latest finds, the blonde girl, all he could go on about, was how gutted he was that she worked the street...............my dear god, someones killed her.............he never seem to mention her death just that he couldnt believe she was a prostitute weird
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post #22 of 31
12/13/06 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
I think I saw that, was it the father of one of the latest finds, the blonde girl, all he could go on about, was how gutted he was that she worked the street...............my dear god, someones killed her.............he never seem to mention her death just that he couldnt believe she was a prostitute weird
That's the one. He spoke about her like she was a neighbour not a daughter
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post #23 of 31
12/13/06 at 2:12pm
To me it is so odd how over here in the US we value life very much and are so self involved and so for the "rights" of people. But once the media gets a hold of a tragedy they butcher any moral respect for the people/persons involved and their life becomes something to drag through the mudd and dissect on television/newspapers.
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post #24 of 31
12/14/06 at 12:40am
This has also been big news in Finland, partly because one of the victims (Anneli Alderton) had a Finnish sounding first name.

It's quite horrible actually, how crimes like these interest people, how we wan't to know everything about the cruelest serial killers. I'm no better than the next person.
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post #25 of 31
12/14/06 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
I think I saw that, was it the father of one of the latest finds, the blonde girl, all he could go on about, was how gutted he was that she worked the street...............my dear god, someones killed her.............he never seem to mention her death just that he couldnt believe she was a prostitute weird
I don't know, if I was a cop that would probable bump him up somewhere near the top of my suspect list.
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post #26 of 31
12/14/06 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
Tricia he was the first person i thought of I remember when a man accross the river from me sent a hoax tape in claiming he was the ripper, and because of that the police started looking at my area, but in the meantime Sutcliffe was able to murder again
I have always felt that hoaxers (of this type, not minor prank stuff) should be given a similar sentence as if they'd done the crime - in this case, he helped the killer strike again by distracting the police to the wrong area.

I know hoaxes are punished, but I think they should be treated exactly as if they were the crime they hoaxed.

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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
My husband used to meet me from the bus on an evening because like the girls in Ipswich we were scared to go out alone, even though the murders happend 3 hours away in Leeds
And we like to pretend women in the west are so free. All it takes is one vicicious lunatic, and we end up with about the same level of personal mobility as women in truly restrictive societies - and worse, we have to pretend, too, that it's our choice.
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post #27 of 31
12/14/06 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by Satai View Post
I don't know, if I was a cop that would probable bump him up somewhere near the top of my suspect list.
I imagine his sweating it out as we speak. I also imagine they will soon start asking for DNA samples from local men.
Anything it takes I'd say.
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post #28 of 31
12/14/06 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by silentNate View Post
I imagine his sweating it out as we speak.
I was wondering the same thing myself this morning when it was on the news again. Surely he can't expect to get away with it?!.
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post #29 of 31
12/14/06 at 5:52am
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Originally Posted by Satai View Post
I don't know, if I was a cop that would probable bump him up somewhere near the top of my suspect list.
oh yeah.............never thought of it that way, I was just so flabbergasted that all he was bothered about was her profession................

there was also an article on BBC Radio 4 today about all this and how woman are treated, what words are used, what terminology is used for men who use this service, females as 2nd class citizens, how the media is covering it etc.............they said the police had now told all women how to behave, stay in, call "men" to meet them, accompany them......etc...etc. One of the guest said "excuse me why should women have to suffer a curfew............its the men that should be under the curfew" .........she was so right...........the man that meets you might be the killer.....the man who accompanies you might be the killer.........they havent even stoppped the "kerb-crawlers".........which of course could be the killer woman are the victims here and all of the female population is being victimised because of the actions of one (now they think more) man
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post #30 of 31
12/14/06 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by mooficat View Post
"excuse me why should women have to suffer a curfew............its the men that should be under the curfew"
My friend said exactly the same last night

They were interviewing a prostitute last night asking was she not afraid of being attacked, worse still a victim, and she lifted up her arms to the cameras and said she had been attacked the night before and showed scratches and brusies on her wrists but that she had to work the streets because of her drug habit

Their so vulnerable because of what they do it's so sad
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