Great, I'm Back in High School ...

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... and I'm every bit as popular.


I am not a social person at work. I have friends, but they're not work-friends, they're friends I made attending social events outside of work. I'm not antisocial or unfriendly; I talk to people, I joke around, I freely share information, food and advice. I'm just not at work trying to make friends -- I'm at work to work and I hold myself back a little (okay, a lot) from my coworkers. For the most part this doesn't bother me. I've resigned myself to the fact that I won't win any popularity contests at work, and that for the most part people don't seek out my company. But there is this one woman who is absolutely driving me nuts and her attitude is spreading like some kind of nasty bacterial infection.

K is a kind of supervisor, but not my supervisor. I've occasionally assisted her and her team, but I don't answer to her, and she doesn't consider me one of "her people." She's made that patently clear. She's one of those women who has mastered the art of exclusion, the way high school girls snub the girls they don't like and don't want others to like. She showers her favourites with praise, brings them in cookies and other treats, and anyone else who isn't on her team (or has seniority to her) gets ignored even after they've gone out of their way to help her out. Like me, for example. I busted my
getting a project done for her, and if I were one of "her people" I would've received a plate of cookies or a piece of homemade pie or a coffee or even just a pat on the back, but because I'm not, I don't even get a "thank you." She only (grudgingly) acknowledges my existence when she wants something, and it's always something that sucks up a lot of my time and effort. Even when I'm working for her she ignores me; she'll refer to me in my presence as if I'm not right there, like "Oh, I wonder if we can get Sara to do this" while I'm thinking "Gee, why don't you ask me? I'm right
here!" And it's not that she doesn't know who am I. She does. She's met me, and when she's forced to acknowledge me directly, she clearly knows my name. It's like she can't be bothered to talk to me or deal with me, and I can't for the life of me think what I've done to make her treat me this way.

To top it all off, she has some of her team treating me the same way. They'll acknowledge my presence when forced, but for the most part they ignore me, whispering to each other in the exact same way the so-called popular girls did waaay back in high school. When they do talk to me, they'll use an incredibly patronizing tone of voice, like I'm some kind of moron who can't be expected to understand them; meanwhile, I've listened in on some of their conversations, and these girls ain't rocket scientists -- in actual intellectual discourse, I'd run circles around them. But I don't act like I think I'm better than them, and I certainly don't behave as though I think they're better than me, so :censor::censor::censor: is their problem? I treat them as nicely as I treat everybody else, which is pretty darned nice, but I have to admit my attitude is getting a lot worse when it comes to dealing with them.

I hated high school because of all of this crap, and I wish to god I didn't have to work with these women, but I do and I don't know how to deal with them. Seriously, I just want to tell K what I think of her, but she has seniority over me and as much as I dislike it at times, I need my job. Any thoughts? At the very least, thanks for "listening" to my rant!
 

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I have no advice. Just hang in there. You aren't really at work to make friends but it can make it easier.
 

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Yup - just hang in there, and go home at night knowing that you are a better, happier person whose life is more fulfilling than those who need to make themselves feel large by trying to make others look small.

I was the picked-on smart geek kid in school, and I know what it feels like to be the ostracized one, the one who doesn't quite fit in, and have others make sure you know it.

If anything, it's sad and pathetic that adults choose not to leave grade school/high school behind but instead continue to perpetuate the same behavior throughout the rest of their lives.


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That stinks, but unfortunately there always is a rotten apple everywhere you go.

K is out for herself. As long as she can stand out socially she thinks she'll be in for promotions, raises, added benefits, etc. Her little minions are just following suite, just to impress her. So I wouldn't worry too much about them.

The best way to work around this I have found is to say Hi to people, especially K and her minions. They may just think that you're stuck up because you're not one of them. Oh wait - I just read that you are nice to them..so I assume "nice" is saying hi to them in the halls.

If the minions become a problem and its to the point that it effects your work, then I would speak to your supervisor about them. See if a resolution can occur.

Otherwise don't worry too much about the social part. You show up for work, you do your work, you go home. These people may be long term or short term, but keep in mind that if K's hiring skills are towards a bunch of understudies, then you have to deal with who she hires.

Again though, there will always be rotten apples where ever you go. Just learn coping skills to get you through the day.
 

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Find a job in a male dominated industry...

That sounds horrible, but I can tell you that I would absolutely HATE working with a bunch of women. Us cat people are, well, like our cats, but not catty. We're straight shooters and we'll generally play with toys but not stupid games. There are still a lot of grown women who are living in high school, mentally and socially.
 

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Originally Posted by valanhb

Find a job in a male dominated industry...

That sounds horrible, but I can tell you that I would absolutely HATE working with a bunch of women. Us cat people are, well, like our cats, but not catty. We're straight shooters and we'll generally play with toys but not stupid games. There are still a lot of grown women who are living in high school, mentally and socially.
Heidi is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT there.

I get tons more respect for my knowledge and work ethic from the GUYS than the girlie-girls. Luckily in aviation there are very few women. here it's about 50 to 5.
And guess which 4 hang out together? The OTHER 4. I am one of the guys, and I would not have it any other way.
 
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Originally Posted by valanhb

Find a job in a male dominated industry...

That sounds horrible, but I can tell you that I would absolutely HATE working with a bunch of women. Us cat people are, well, like our cats, but not catty. We're straight shooters and we'll generally play with toys but not stupid games. There are still a lot of grown women who are living in high school, mentally and socially.
Y'know, that's pretty much it exactly. All of my friends are cat people. All of them. I can relate to cat people. They make sense. And you're right: we're a lot like our cats. If my coworkers behaved like cats, I could figure them out.

Thanks for the advice/kind words. I know K and the other women are just insecure/power-hungry/jockeying for position, and I know none of it reflects on me, but I still hate dealing with it every day. If they'd just put their ears back, puff up their tails and hiss at me, I'd at least know where I stood with them, and I'd have some clue as to how to relate to them in the future.
 

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Originally Posted by Mirinae

If they'd just put their ears back, puff up their tails and hiss at me, I'd at least know where I stood with them, and I'd have some clue as to how to relate to them in the future.
Yeah - then you could bop them on the head and move on.
 

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Originally Posted by GingersMom

Yup - just hang in there, and go home at night knowing that you are a better, happier person whose life is more fulfilling than those who need to make themselves feel large by trying to make others look small.

I was the picked-on smart geek kid in school, and I know what it feels like to be the ostracized one, the one who doesn't quite fit in, and have others make sure you know it.

If anything, it's sad and pathetic that adults choose not to leave grade school/high school behind but instead continue to perpetuate the same behavior throughout the rest of their lives.


Anytime you need to vent, I'm just a PM away.
Your highschool experience sounds similar to mine and I couldn't agree with you more (for once
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Originally Posted by IloveSiamese

Your highschool experience sounds similar to mine and I couldn't agree with you more (for once
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I'm sorry things are this way - every job has it's sucky side (some much more or less than others, admittedly).

Can you report her behavior to someone above her? Her behavior is out of line, and, given that she's got her minions snubbing you, seems to be escalating. This is, afterall, the stuff constructive dismissal cases are made of.
 
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