What color is my Tobie??

Oh, I Know!!! He'd be a gorgeous breed. I'm willing to stud him out if anyone is interested in starting a new breed... but beware, he has Daddy's moggie genes too so who knows what the offspring would look like. I am guessing that only breeding to dilute females would produce similar offspring.

But yes, the parents are confirmed. Neither of them got outside EVER. Scottish Folds have long hair genes in their lines, so the long hair wasn't a surprise... it was more the coloring.

I am going to look into showing him in the moggie class.

I'd like to see a better picture of Tobie's dad, Ziggy - if he's a chocolate tabby and not a brown one, then you've got chocolate shaded silvers, silver tabbys, and shaded silvers.

I know where the shaded/smoke gene came from (mom) but I can't figure out where the silver gene came from. Mom would not be carrying silver. And as far as I know chocolates don't carry silver.

Unless dad is a chocolate silver tabby - that might explain things. See if you can find a good picture of dad.


In the picture of the 4 you have a silver spotted tabby, shaded silver, shaded chocolate (tabby) and a shaded chocolate silver.

This one was darker than the rest.


This one was lighter than the rest.






Ziggy as a kitten.

Wow! Ziggy as a kitten IS definately a chocolate tabby - looks like an ocicat (with mack stripes tho). I couldn't make up my mind if he was chocolate or what in the older pictures; his color has darken. But the kitten picture of him IS a chocolate!

So now we know where the chocolate color came from but I'm not positive on the silver. Usually you need a silver to show that much in the kittens and mom's a blue smoke. Maybe she's carrying the silver gene?

I don't know enough of the more unusual colors (silvers, etc.) - I know the basics.

Wait a min. I was looking at Ziggy as a kitten. His color almost looks like the GOLDEN tabbys I've seen in the silver persians. I'll have to do a bit of research on golden/silver tabbys. Somehow they are connected. Around his face its the shading of a golden tabby but body is a chocolate tabby! This is exciting!

I almost want you to keep EVERY kitten in this litter and not spay/neuter any of them to see what they really are! And I can't believe I'm telling you this

LOL Thanks. That makes me feel better. We wondered how we got such a strange/beautiful litter!

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Wait a min. I was looking at Ziggy as a kitten. His color almost looks like the GOLDEN tabbys I've seen in the silver persians. I'll have to do a bit of research on golden/silver tabbys. Somehow they are connected. Around his face its the shading of a golden tabby but body is a chocolate tabby! This is exciting!

I almost want you to keep EVERY kitten in this litter and not spay/neuter any of them to see what they really are! And I can't believe I'm telling you this

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Everyone that sees Tobie in real life wants to breed him (we took him to the MILs where lots of the relatives know a lot about cats) But I wouldn't know where to start, and I don't want to see him go....

I wish you were closer (we are in MN) to help each other out. Here's a website (pretty tech) about silvers/goldens. Its detailed but basically (skimming) looks like goldens can be produced by silvers - not sure if the golden would then be "carrying the silver" but if Ziggy's a golden and carrys chocolate (maybe mom does too) then that would explain you getting silvers.

http://www.messybeast.com/chinchillas.htm

I'll try to find some pictures too.

Heres a picture (scroll down) of chinchilla and shaded goldens

http://www.pandecats.com/x/silver_colors.htm

http://www.silvergoldenpersians.com/

http://trubrityu.cjb.net/ these are silver/golden brits

http://www.pusscats.com/British_Shorthair.htm

Ziggy;'s not quite a golden but somehow he's chocolate and golden. According to the article the golden color IS recessive to the silver. So he can't be "carrying silver". I have no idea where the silver is coming from. Do you have a copy of mom's pedigree? Maybe there is silver there?

I"m sure I could dig it up somewhere. I never thought she'd cause such a mystery! Give me a few days, and I'll see if I can find it.

Well, the copy of the pedigree I have for Sneakers (the momma) doesn't tell me much besides their expressed colors (which were all bicolors or some variation of a bicolor).

Here are some pics of Tobie's littermates and some of Tobie to help you see the color better.

The yellow on his face is just "tarnish," not his real color. He's a silver ticked tabby with boots. He got named Tux by his adoptive family.



This is Harley again. I think he's a chocolate silver ticked shaded tabby, because he has the silver in his tail and ears like Tobie.


Dad and son comparison.



You can see how light Tobie's neck fur is in this pic (the reason I think he's shaded).


The three brothers.


I have asked for pics of the girls from the litter, but none have come in yet.

I'm wondering now if dad is a chocolate silver tabby. IMO that would be the only way you could get so many combos of the silver or chocolate kittens in that litter. With mom being a blue smoke, you would add the smoke gene to the mix. And because mom is a dilute, her coloring would not overlay the chocolate/silver. If mom had been a black, you probably would not get any of the colors

Of course, since dad's not a pedigree, his coloring is not "good" but genetically it would explain things.

Originally Posted by Godiva

I am going to look into showing him in the moggie class.

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He's stunning!

Glad to hear about your mom!

Nope, can't help you on the color except to add to what Goldenkitty45 said about 'golden' being recessive to silvers. That was a surprize that came out of breeding silver bengals. I'll see if I can find some info from one of the bengal sites on that since some breeders are focusing in on this and learning more about the genetics involved. Facinating stuff!

As for the quote above, theres a show coming up this weekend in Crown Point, IN. I'm gonna try to make it, just to watch. If you want info, PM me

Tiffany

I seriously think you should show him in HHP...the color alone make him stand out! Does he have a lovely personality to go with it???

OK, I found a VERY good article about silvers:

http://littleleopardcats.com/bengalc...s/silvers.html

Originally Posted by tiffanyjbt

As for the quote above, theres a show coming up this weekend in Crown Point, IN. I'm gonna try to make it, just to watch. If you want info, PM me

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Sorry, its not this weekend, its the following weekend on the 9th. Let me know if you're interested and I'll send you the flyer.

Tiffany

Originally Posted by Abymummy

I seriously think you should show him in HHP...the color alone make him stand out! Does he have a lovely personality to go with it???

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Of course I think so! What do they look for? He is friendly to all of our cats, and he's very outgoing and takes to handling by strangers well.

Thanks for figuring that out for me, Goldenkitty. Not that it matter in the end, but I guess I would need to know to enter him in a show. He's getting fixed tomorrow. Poor baby!

Originally Posted by Godiva

He's getting fixed tomorrow.

Poor baby!

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Don't worry too much (I won't say 'at all' because then I'd be a hypocrite!)

Duke got neutered less than a month ago and he was just fine. *singing* for an uneventful vet visit and a speedy recovery for your baby!

Tiffany

Can't wait to see what the judges think about him. I know if he was in my HHP class and I was judging him - he'd be in the top 5! Just be sure he's very well groomed - no tangles/knots.

Maybe ask around at the show if anyone knows who is really good with genetics to explain how you got this color (and the rest of the litter). Take pictures of the cats involved for help