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post #31 of 46
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I"m sure I could dig it up somewhere. I never thought she'd cause such a mystery! Give me a few days, and I'll see if I can find it.
post #32 of 46
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Well, the copy of the pedigree I have for Sneakers (the momma) doesn't tell me much besides their expressed colors (which were all bicolors or some variation of a bicolor).

Here are some pics of Tobie's littermates and some of Tobie to help you see the color better.

The yellow on his face is just "tarnish," not his real color. He's a silver ticked tabby with boots. He got named Tux by his adoptive family.



This is Harley again. I think he's a chocolate silver ticked shaded tabby, because he has the silver in his tail and ears like Tobie.


Dad and son comparison.



You can see how light Tobie's neck fur is in this pic (the reason I think he's shaded).


The three brothers.


I have asked for pics of the girls from the litter, but none have come in yet.
post #33 of 46
I'm wondering now if dad is a chocolate silver tabby. IMO that would be the only way you could get so many combos of the silver or chocolate kittens in that litter. With mom being a blue smoke, you would add the smoke gene to the mix. And because mom is a dilute, her coloring would not overlay the chocolate/silver. If mom had been a black, you probably would not get any of the colors

Of course, since dad's not a pedigree, his coloring is not "good" but genetically it would explain things.
post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by Godiva View Post
I am going to look into showing him in the moggie class.

He's stunning!

Glad to hear about your mom!

Nope, can't help you on the color except to add to what Goldenkitty45 said about 'golden' being recessive to silvers. That was a surprize that came out of breeding silver bengals. I'll see if I can find some info from one of the bengal sites on that since some breeders are focusing in on this and learning more about the genetics involved. Facinating stuff!

As for the quote above, theres a show coming up this weekend in Crown Point, IN. I'm gonna try to make it, just to watch. If you want info, PM me

Tiffany
post #35 of 46
I seriously think you should show him in HHP...the color alone make him stand out! Does he have a lovely personality to go with it???
post #36 of 46
OK, I found a VERY good article about silvers:

http://littleleopardcats.com/bengalc...s/silvers.html
post #37 of 46
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As for the quote above, theres a show coming up this weekend in Crown Point, IN. I'm gonna try to make it, just to watch. If you want info, PM me

Sorry, its not this weekend, its the following weekend on the 9th. Let me know if you're interested and I'll send you the flyer.

Tiffany
post #38 of 46
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I seriously think you should show him in HHP...the color alone make him stand out! Does he have a lovely personality to go with it???
Of course I think so! What do they look for? He is friendly to all of our cats, and he's very outgoing and takes to handling by strangers well.

Thanks for figuring that out for me, Goldenkitty. Not that it matter in the end, but I guess I would need to know to enter him in a show. He's getting fixed tomorrow. Poor baby!
post #39 of 46
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He's getting fixed tomorrow. Poor baby!

Don't worry too much (I won't say 'at all' because then I'd be a hypocrite!)

Duke got neutered less than a month ago and he was just fine. *singing* for an uneventful vet visit and a speedy recovery for your baby!

Tiffany
post #40 of 46
Can't wait to see what the judges think about him. I know if he was in my HHP class and I was judging him - he'd be in the top 5! Just be sure he's very well groomed - no tangles/knots.

Maybe ask around at the show if anyone knows who is really good with genetics to explain how you got this color (and the rest of the litter). Take pictures of the cats involved for help
post #41 of 46
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Can't wait to see what the judges think about him. I know if he was in my HHP class and I was judging him - he'd be in the top 5! Just be sure he's very well groomed - no tangles/knots.

Maybe ask around at the show if anyone knows who is really good with genetics to explain how you got this color (and the rest of the litter). Take pictures of the cats involved for help
I was thinking the same! I would place him highly as well! Well, provided he was well groomed and had a "show off" personality!
post #42 of 46
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Dang it.... one of his testicles isn't descended and they won't do the surgery today. They want to see if it will drop in the next month or two instead of doing more invasive surgery now. That means he won't be fixed in time for the next show, but perhaps he will be in time for the January or March show. http://www.acfacats.com/show_schedule.htm
I'm looking at that list, if anyone knows of any other "lists," let me know.
I might still go to the Crown Point show to check it out, tiffany.
post #43 of 46
I hope you do go anyway. How old is he? I think the rule is that any cat under 8 months is a kitten and doesn't have to be neutered. Not sure though, let me check...


Yup, they don't have to be altered until 8 months:
Rule 4. Pure Breed/Mixed Breed Under 8 Months of Age. A Household Pet which is not less than four [4] months, but less than eight [8] months, may be Recorded in accordance with Rule 1, 2 or 3 above with the exception of proof or certification of altering. However, when the cat reaches eight [8] months of age, its Recorded Number will be suspended until such time proof or certification of altering is received. Until such proof or certification is received the cat will be ineligible to claim any Titles or receive any Year-End Awards. http://www.acfacats.com/

Click on the link and go to the side bar for 'show rules'. Its a 35 page word doc. ;^D

Tiffany
post #44 of 46
Yes if he is under 8 months old on the day of the show, you can show him without being neutered. If anyone questions you on it, tell them what the vet says.

If he's over 8 months then you'll have to wait.
post #45 of 46
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Goldenkitty, I found this pic of an ocicat online that reminds me much of Ziggy. However, all the chocolate silvers I find seem to be much lighter than Ziggy. Poor Zig, his moggie background diluted the genes quite a bit... I think if he were golden or silver he would be more obvious, don't you? Maybe the genes are more complex and interactive than they think.
http://www.ocicatclubuk.org/supreme-002.jpg

I am getting really excited about showing Tobie. If I can get the grooming down right, and assuming he doesn't freak out with strange cats, I think he'll do well. I see all those pretty ribbons... you are right, I will love them.

And sorry to disappoint, but apart from Tobie and his two brothers, the three girls have all been spayed already... but I know you were kidding. Just to reassure you.

What do you think the judges will say about Tobie? They will probably suspect my accidental breeding to get such an unusual color. I don't want to have to explain that all the time, not even the short version, I feel guilty enough already. Tobie is very whiny, is that considered bad? He doesn't squirm, but he does his mother's slightly unattractive and disconcerted "meh" every time I pick him up. Oh, and I've started to notice that he drools a bit, but I think that has to do with the fact he's getting his adult teeth in now. And is there such thing as being too "floppy?" I assume this is a good thing, but he is really *really* laid back. He's like putty in my hands, and this gets more pronounced as he is getting older.

Sorry for the slightly discordant post there... I'm avoiding studying and I'm excited!
post #46 of 46
I'd almost question the color on that chocolate silver. Most are much more silvery looking. He's pretty dark, but he may have a darker chocolate or tawny in the immediate background (parents/grandparents) and only one chocolate silver. I'd be interested in his pedigree on colors

I would not worry too much about his actions - you worry far too much

Some judges may ask about him, some won't. You can just give a brief comment that you are STILL trying to figure out where the unusual colors are coming from in the mix - which is the truth
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