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"Kramer" lets loose in racial tirade...!

post #1 of 23
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Did anyone see this today?

He later apologized on Letterman when Jerry Seinfeld was regularly scheduled to appear (he appeared on camera and Jerry was Letterman's guest)...

But what the ? got into loveable old Kramer??

http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramer...aught-on-tape/
post #2 of 23
sometime peolple let loose in a carless way, maybe his fustrations got the better of him. I call him a turd, and thats about it. everyone should be respectful and he went a little over the line...ok a lot over the line. what a turd!
post #3 of 23
I hate to say it, but the apology sounded much more like acting than the tirade from the stage. Those words and insults just seemed to flow a little *too* freely from his mouth. Honestly it never would have even occurred to me to say anything like what he said - no matter how angry I was!

I think this really is the nail in his career's coffin...
post #4 of 23
I was a bit shocked when I saw that. This may very well hurt his career. He made a mistake and crossed the line, there's no doubt about that. I'm not defending him in any way, shape or form when I say the following but a veteran standup comedian (which he isn't) know how to handle hecklers from the audience in a way that is funny without being demeaning or insulting. The way that Michael Richard's verbally attacked his heckler was both.

Bryan
post #5 of 23
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It was just so strange...and although we all liked Kramer, we honestly don't know Michael Richard's and perhaps he is just an a$$ IRL.

But I got the feeling that it was akin to some sort of a nervous blathering breakdown. It just appeared that there were some underlying issues that caused him to erupt.

But like Heidi stated, I cannot imagine myself saying anything remotely similiar in a sane state of mind..

But Seinfeld residuals should keep him well off for quite a long time so I am sure he will be fine...
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
I hate to say it, but the apology sounded much more like acting than the tirade from the stage. Those words and insults just seemed to flow a little *too* freely from his mouth. Honestly it never would have even occurred to me to say anything like what he said - no matter how angry I was!

I think this really is the nail in his career's coffin...
Exactly! I mean comedians are supposed to be able to manage hecklers and even if he was on drugs (what some people seem to be saying on the net) what he said had to be a personal belief. Drink or drugs don't make you invent hateful thoughts they just bring down the inhibitions that stop you voicing them
post #7 of 23
I was quite shocked to see it. I wouldn't say he's "racist", I just imagine he was trying to find the most hurtful things to say to the people he was yelling at, and since they were black, he said the most racist things he could think of. I imagine if they looked Jewish/Asian/ugly/had an unattractive girlfriend/whatever, he would have picked on that.

In any case, it was so uncalled for, and so wrong. I thought on Letterman he was deeply sorry which was the strange thing - to go from so mad and agro to so calm and looking as though he's about to burst into tears, and not being able to put a coherent sentence together (it really was painful to watch, I assume nobody prepped him!!). I wonder what else is going on with him? Drugs? Alcohol? Depression? Some sort of anxiety/mental disorder??? It was very strange.
post #8 of 23
I was shocked when I heard about it. But we all make mistakes. And if he is racist then that is who he is. Is it wrong? Yes. But he isn't the character he played in Seinfeld we all know him as. I didn't see the apology but from what I hear it didn't sound like it was from the heart. He needs to make an apology that doesn't seem staged.
post #9 of 23
WoW! Is all I can say!
post #10 of 23
His tirade, in my opinion, went far beyond responding to a heckler. It would have been bad enough if it was a matter of using the "n" word. It was way beyond that. He claimed in his apology that he is not a racist. I think he's got to admit to himself that he is, to whatever degree. I agree that his apology seemed strange...his affect was off. I found it also a bit self-serving. When Letterman asked him what he can do to atone for what he did, he said he had to do "personal work". The things he said were so incredibly hateful. This isn't even a case of being "politically incorrect". I'm afraid that this will be what he is remembered for. I think this will be a career killer. Sure, financially he will be fine, but wherever he goes, people will remember the things he said.
post #11 of 23
I think he's a little psycho. I have a few box sets of Seinfeld and in the "Extra's", they showed some stuff that made me think he is EXTREMELY tightly wound, a little "off", and not at ALL a funloving man. I know a lot of comedians are very miserable and mixed up people, laughing on the outside and crying and very troubled on the inside.

I think he just snapped and his troubled "inside", came out for a few minutes. That being said, I don't doubt for one minute that he is a racist. I think what he "really" felt inside is what he said. He was not in control of himself and his rage, and his real feelings came out.
post #12 of 23
Does anyone have a link of his apology?
post #13 of 23
I think it's disgusting. I hate that word to begin with. It's never appropriate. I don't even like it in hip-hop songs, and don't like my child to hear it on the radio. And I agree with Kelly, he went WAY beyond even "just using the n word"....I can't believe that someone would actually say that to another human being....even if that human being was being a rude jerk and talking through his performance....you think he'd just say a few chosen curse words at them tell them to shut up or get out. He appeared to be off of his medicine, or needed medicine.... It's sad to me to see that racism is still alive like that.
post #14 of 23
That word makes me cringe.

He blew it big time. He can kiss it good-bye.
post #15 of 23
That was very disappointing to me, but people will always show you who they are.
post #16 of 23
Max and I watched the footage of this last night. There seemed to be more to it to us than someone getting agro over some heckling. It was just the most powerful outburst of hate and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I don't care how angry you are - stuff like that doesn't come out of your mouth unless you mean it on some level. Possibly (probably) drugs were involved, too - he was pretty tightly wound.

Max has been a performing stand-up comic for many years. He comes up with lines beforehand to deliver when he gets heckled. Jeesh - it's part of the territory! If a seasoned performer like Michael Richards can't cope with a bit of heckling, then he's no good as a stand-up IMO. I've seen people trying out stand-up for the first time cope with hecklers better than that.

Having said that, people who heckle (in my opinion) are just tired wannabes who don't have the guts to get up on stage and have a go themselves. I HATE hecklers. Comedy is a very big part of our lives and a source of income for Max - in all my time watching, writing and participating in comedy, I've never seen anyone lose it like that.
post #17 of 23
What he did was wrong. I think its part of an underlying problem. That being said, I also saw on the news now the hecklers who were unloaded on are seeking to sue now.

and i think that too is overboard, if it had been a small name comedian would they do the same? If it had been someone on the street could they do that?

does that mean I can go and sue the ladies who have berratyed me racially at work for being white?

I think the whole things gone overboard. I havent seen his appology so i cant form an opinion on that.
post #18 of 23
Arrrgh here we go! Oh, he's got money - something that offended me from someone else turns into a lawsuit because he's famous. Just exactly my point in the other thread - faced with the opportunity of a free hand-out, people will take it!
post #19 of 23
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Arrrgh here we go! Oh, he's got money - something that offended me from someone else turns into a lawsuit because he's famous. Just exactly my point in the other thread - faced with the opportunity of a free hand-out, people will take it!
Yup. I am not saying what he said was right by anymeans at all. But i think it ridicilous they are gonna sue him for the little tirade. unfortuently, as wrong as his words were....really not a whole lot diffrent than alot of rap and hip/hop i have heard lately
post #20 of 23
The "N" word just needs to be a word erased from our english vocabulary. It is a word that is demeaning and insulting. You don't call someone the "N" word, no matter what their race is.

We talked a bit about this last night. I guess his apology comes across as a little strange only because he didn't feel he was talking to the right audience.
post #21 of 23
The more I think about this, the worse it is. I cringe even just thinking or reading that word, let along screaming it into a microphone with a room full of people who are going to be offended by it.

Whether or not he was under the influence makes little difference to me. Basically, being in such a rage made his true feelings show. He's racist, whether he even wants to admit it or not. I can respect people with different views than mine, but I can't respect that. Period.
post #22 of 23
I definitely lost all respect for him after that little incedent. Racial tirades are simply uncalled for and only hurt people.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
Max and I watched the footage of this last night. There seemed to be more to it to us than someone getting agro over some heckling. It was just the most powerful outburst of hate and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I don't care how angry you are - stuff like that doesn't come out of your mouth unless you mean it on some level. Possibly (probably) drugs were involved, too - he was pretty tightly wound.

Max has been a performing stand-up comic for many years. He comes up with lines beforehand to deliver when he gets heckled. Jeesh - it's part of the territory! If a seasoned performer like Michael Richards can't cope with a bit of heckling, then he's no good as a stand-up IMO. I've seen people trying out stand-up for the first time cope with hecklers better than that.

Having said that, people who heckle (in my opinion) are just tired wannabes who don't have the guts to get up on stage and have a go themselves. I HATE hecklers. Comedy is a very big part of our lives and a source of income for Max - in all my time watching, writing and participating in comedy, I've never seen anyone lose it like that.
How cool to have a comedian as a husband!

I also think that he may have been under the influence. He looked ill and just tired...Not that that is an excuse but it was the way he went off that just didn't seem natural or normal behaviour.

I also think it's RIDICULOUS for those guys to want to sue him...
Ridiculous and laughable.
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