The administration of Fish Mox

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I started out by giving 2 caps mixed with, I think, 20 cc of waer...1 cc twice a day for 10 full days.  Keep the bootle/jar lidded/capped so that none of the watre evaporates.  But, 2 caps was too much for the kittens and caused diarrhea.  Not all of my cats healed up (URI), but after 10 days, most did.  Try to crush the powder cuz it is a bit lumpy.  This is NOT as good as Clavamox , but is cheaper and more convenient.  I've also used fish tetracycline on the adults only, but it is more difficult since must not be given at meals and must be mixed fairly fresh (I think, not sure) daily.  My cats always seem to have a full stomach so tetracycline may not work so well with them...but I sometimes start with that, then give cats a week or more break...and if still sick, give Fish Mox.  Antibiotics mess up their digestive bacteria, the same way it does with ours.  I have NOT tried cat-probiotics, though...no money.

My cats all have some type of disease that causes and spreads the UTI.  I rescued a few cats slated for death at a pound I volunteered with long ago..they had UTI...and now I can't et rid of it...and am not vaccinating properly.  Buy, crushed lysine (I think I got a huge bottle of tablets at Walmart) seem to help somewhat for SOME cats, when I mix it in canned food.  It suppresses the herpes virus, which is often the virus that cause UTI...but not always the virus/culprit.
 

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Tetracycline-types (and there are a few types and most end with -ine) don't work when taken with food.  Animals need a break from antibiotics.  At most, a month is ok...but only for tetracyclines, I think.

Is everyone sterilizing there cats' wate and food bowls...if the cats have URI or other sicknesses?   I began giving them food on the blank sides of paper so that I could throw the paper away (on backs of flyers or mail)...and give them water in my yogurt or small cottg3e cheese containers...I sit the containers in a heavy glass or ceramic bowl so they won't knock it over.  Then each day I throw out/recycle the plastic and give them a new container.  If I have no contiainers, I fill the bowls with boiling water and let them sit a while.  It seems to control the URI infection a bit more..and other illnesses.   I also wipe noses alot, esp. before they eat.  If I don't, the boogery ones sneeze snot all into the food of the others.  I can't seclude them usually, but that is the best way.  I think that often, the seclusion upsets them and further weakens their immune system...unless I let them sleep with me...and then I get boogers all over my danged bed and often, on my face!!!
 

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Fish mox dose is 10-20 mg/kg (5-10 mg per lb) twice daily

Fish cillin  dose is 20-40 mg/Kg (9-18 mg/lb) every 8 hours orally. 

Fish Cillin (Ampicillin) & Fish mox (Amoxicillin) are commonly given off-label to small animals.
Clinical use includes urinary tract infections, pneumonia and skin infections.
. Usually given for 7-10 days
 
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I agree Lysine would be better for what you are trying to achieve. And I applaud you for trying to give them some love and care! Try to get them fixed if you can.
 
 

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you can go on ebay or petsmart and buy it for ten dollars.I hope it helps
 

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Need to do your homework. Fish Mox is normal amoxicillan it is in a loophole as fish are not under same laws as cat and dog or people meds.There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving fish meds to other animals. Plain and simple your judging a bottle by its cover what is inside is made side by side other pet meds it is the exact same thing they use for cats and dogs. The reason a vet will say no don;t use it is legally they have to and not to mention they lose money meds are their money maker no lows on how much it can be marked up. they chage 30 - 40 bucks for 14 days of meds we, ( in a cat rescue owner) order 200 pills for $40 bucks and tread so many more successfully with it. 

MANY people use in in humans and THOUSANDS of rescues and shelters use it as a cost saving measure for treating upper resp. Why spend a hundred dollars at the vet

to be told it is a cold and given a script . Or order meds on-line for 20 bucks and treat tons of cats as it is common in rescue cats.  Key to treating make sure the mucous is dark yellow or green. 

If it is clear it is a virus no point in treating it. If it gets some colour to it , it's an infection and give it. half a 250 mg pill for adults twice a day x 12 days
 

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Gotta wonder if there might be some vets posting in this thread. Either that or people are abysmally ignorant about amoxicillin.
 

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I have been giving my cats Fish Mox for years, and my veterinarian says that's just fine.  The Fish-Mox capsules are 250 mg. amoxicillin, recommended dosage one capsule twice per day, in food.  Adult cats.  It is especially effective for upper respiratory infections, and can also be effective for some abcesses.  It is not a cure-all and should be used by people who have used in it the past under a veterinarian's supervision. 

There is a wide variety of antibiotics sold for use on fish, and they are all suitable for both cats and dogs.  Or you, for that matter.
 

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I do not know what the recommended dosage of amoxicillin is for cats, but 250 mg amoxicillin twice daily seems to me to be an extremely high dose. 250 mg is a human-sized dose.
 

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Amoxicillin (Fish Mox)

You can buy fish mox which is amoxicillin for fish and use it on your cats, this works great if you have a multi cat household where all the cats catch a URI at the same time.

Take one 250mg capsule and pour it into a gallon of water, shake well and then use this as your cats only water source for 7-10 days.

Or.... to give orally to one kitty at a time, simply take two 250mg capsules and open up into a small bottle then add 20cc,s of Pedia Lite banana flavored shake for infants, shake well and syringe feed 1cc twice a day for an adult cat, or 5 tenths of a cc to a older kitten once daily.

From a wonderful page provided by Heavens Safe Haven
 

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This thread is very old. However, this post made by gayef still holds true:

I think the Number One TCS Forum Rule needs to be posted here ...


1. No online advice can replace direct veterinary intervention. If you suspect that your cat may be ill, please contact your vet immediately. You are welcome to look for advice in the health forum while waiting for that appointment, but never delay proper veterinary care waiting for Internet advice. Remember that cats, and especially kittens, are very adept in keeping pain to themselves and delaying treatment may cause irreversible damage.


That now being said, while there may not be anything wrong with using Fishmox or any other such antibiotic off label, the fact is that unless you are working with a skilled vet, you probably shouldn't use these types of medications. When dealing with an upper respiratory infection in cats, it is always best to request a sputum culture and sensitivity test performed to determine which bacteria is causing the infection and what antibiotic is specifically formulated to treat it.
 

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I do not know what the recommended dosage of amoxicillin is for cats, but 250 mg amoxicillin twice daily seems to me to be an extremely high dose. 250 mg is a human-sized dose.
Only repeating what my LICENSED PRACTICING VETERINARIAN told me.  In fact, dosage information for cats can be found online

Amoxicillan for cats
 
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Are you sure it wasn't the 100 mg capsules? They come in both sizes. My vet told me to give 1 100-mg capsule twice a day, and he said even that was a slight overdose but not enough to be bad. The website you posted says 5-10 mg per pound every 12-24 hours, so that would be, for an average 10-pound cat, 50-100 mg every 12-24 hours, so 500 mg a day would definitely be too much unless the cat weighs more than 25 pounds.
 

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Are you sure it wasn't the 100 mg capsules? They come in both sizes. My vet told me to give 1 100-mg capsule twice a day, and he said even that was a slight overdose but not enough to be bad. The website you posted says 5-10 mg per pound every 12-24 hours, so that would be, for an average 10-pound cat, 50-100 mg every 12-24 hours, so 500 mg a day would definitely be too much unless the cat weighs more than 25 pounds.
It does sound like a lot. 
 

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I've done it for years- one 500m capsule dissolved in a one ounce bottle with a dropper.  One dropper full a day for 10 days- any sized cat I've treated (six months and older).  If it was really bad twice a day.  It's what my neighbor taught me and it's what I've done ever since NO PROBLEMS.  Abscesses gone in about 3 days.  I also make a cat food soup (equal parts canned food blended with warm water) to keep them hydrated.  No vets where I live so "go to the vet!!!" not an option.  My cats are healthier than they were in the city (when I did "go to the vet!!!). I treat them immediately so the infection doesn't get out of hand and they aren't exposed to other people's cat's sicknesses-  just sayin.
 

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As a cat lover my kitty is loved more than I can say. He sleeps at my feet. Comes to me for protection from the grand baby. As a low income person I can't afford vet bills.

He's come down with a cold and I started researching. In the past I've given cats meds left that hadn't been finished. I have always been thankfully successful and think I was meant to be in rescue or go to be a vet. I've found all the posts on here extremely helpful and plan to get a bottle of fish mox to have around and check out the pages mentioned thanks to all the rescuer notes.

I've had problems with fleas in the past and heard the FDA shut down a site selling dog flea meds for cats. It's because they control the dosage.. You can treat 5 cats with one 25 30$ dose of flea med used for big dogs. If you have this problem though please be sure to research this because there is a certain kind you can't use on cats. And you can also find the syringe and storage bottle kits which usually are sold separately. They cracked down on this. I have the information some where but have not had flea problems since moving into Townhomes. I don't let my baby outside but he is very quick and sneaky when he is determined to get out into the fresh outdoors!!
 

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Regarding the flea medications, you can't normally use DOG flea products on cats, BUT there are two topical flea treatments that are well known, very safe, and are exactly the same formula for dogs and cats and the only difference is the dosage, which is determined by the weight range of the animal, so if you are using a different amount than is in the vial you have, you need to measure the dose with a syringe.  Those two are Advantage (Bayer) and Frontline (Merial).  Do not confuse Advantage with AdvanTIX, as that contains a tick medicine poisonous to cats.  Also, don't assume that Advantage MULTI is the same for dogs and cats, because the second ingredient, moxidectin, is in a much higher concentration in the dog formula (2.5%) than in the cat formula (1.0%).  Always read labels and compare to make sure the products are identical in every way.  The original Advantage and the Advantage II are indeed the identical formula for dogs and cats.  The original Frontline and Frontline Plus are the identical formula for dogs and cats also.  Both are much safer than cheaper over the counter products such as Hartz!  They are packaged in individual amounts based on the size of the animal, but they are usually sold at prices more on a per vial basis,rather than an actual volume basis, and they are not sold in individual vials.  The average cat sized vial holds 0.4 ml, and the extra large dog size vial holds 4.0 ml., and yet a 4-pack of either one will cost you about the same amount of money.  This is why people with multiple pets or both dogs and cats buy the extra large dog size and divide it up into proper doses based on weight.  It is actually misleading that Bayer has printed "do not use on dogs" on the cat package and "do not use on cats" on the dog package, when they could actually label certain sizes as "for use on a cat or dog weighing between 5 and 10 lbs."  Currently, the site 1-800-PetMeds is having a big sale on Advantage II and they have knocked their prices WAY down, plus you get an extra $5 off any order.  First, you select your package size (4-pack, 6 pack or 12 pack) and then you select your animal and weight group.  On sale today, a 4-pack is $44.99, a 6-pack is $62.49 and a 12 pack is $119.98.  If you selected a 12-pack for a 5-9 lb. cat, you would be paying approximately $10 per month to treat one cat for a year.  If you selected a 12-pack for a 55-lb. dog, you would receive enough Advantage to treat 10 cats for a year and it would cost you approximately $1 per cat per month.  You would just have to measure the doses.
 
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I use the extra large (purple) Revolution for dogs on my cats. No problem, works great, dosages by weight easily found online. Also used to do that with Frontline/PetArmor but fleas in my area are now immune to the active ingredient so it is useless.
 

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I have two cats who are avermectin sensitive, so I won't be using anything that contains any of the drugs in that class, which includes all of those topicals that prevent heartworm .  Sensitivity in cats is very rare, even more so than in dogs, but when it's there, they can die within 8 hours and mine nearly did.  Evidently in certain dogs there's a genetic abnormality that allows the drugs of that sort to cross the blood brain barrier and my kitten seems to have that also because he had all the same symptoms as the sensitive dogs do.  It's easier just to use something totally safe, which has been my experience with Advantage over the years.
 

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I also have used Fish Mox for treating sick stray kitties (and my own too), way too many to take to vet. Have been very successful with it, and will keep using it. I also get it from the feed store and lots of others are buying it for the same use. Some times you just gotta do what you gotta do. When one is too sick or when I can, I do take them to the vet. He is very understanding and gives me a "multi-animal" discount without me even asking for it! 
 
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