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breeding a "chug" from an amish puppy mill

post #1 of 14
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Some idiot posted on craigslist that sshe has a "Chug" Chihuahua/pug cross and she is looking for a female to breed him to. Well, not being able to keep my nose out of things I emailed her "interested" with a "friend" who is looking to breed her Chihuahua. I asked some questions, asking what health certifications the dog has (I know he doesn't have any...) Well she emailed back and said that the pup is 6 months old and was adopted when a rescue went into an Amish puppy mill and bought the litter so they wouldn't be sold to Petland.

I KNOW the rescue wouldn't want the dog being bred obviously. I asked her some questions, innocent ones, pretending to be sort of clueless about breeding, which I am for the most part but I have common sense about testing and the fact that you don't breed amish puppy mill dogs. I also asked about where the dog came from. If I can get more information out of this girl, should I call the rescue she adopted the dog from and tell them what is going on? All I know so far is the persons first name and whatever else they will tell me in future emails. I pretended to really like her dog and maybe I will adopt one from the rescue! Oh I'm horrible, I think I am too good a liar. But anyways...

Heh the best part of the email reply is this one: "I am obviously looking for "the right" chihuhuha female, someone who is not concerned with AKC, etc"

Oh and she sent me pictures. I have no problem "reporting" her to the rescue she got him from if I need to. Maybe there is nothing I can do. I can't imagine why a rescue didn't neuter him first, unless they had her sign a contract and she is just ignoring it...
post #2 of 14
Is she from this area? I wonder if it was Wolf's Spirit, the do alot of puppy mill rescue work and sometimes they do adopt out before neutering, but it is very clearly stated on the petfinder page that they must get the pet altered, I'd report her, definitely I'm glad you do this stuff Jen!
post #3 of 14
Definately report her. She'll just make more problems for that rescue to deal with. Not all rescues can afford to spay/neuter but it's usually in the contract. Unfortunately there's no enforcement. But if you report this they can get this person on breech-of-contract.
post #4 of 14
Report her Report her Report her!!!!!!!
It is one thing to breed (responsibly), but to take an animal that has been rescued out of a mill, and put back into the same situation is wrong! I work at a shelter, and so many people look for "cheap purebreds" to breed It makes me so mad, they want some thing for nothing, and then will try and make money on it!
A little while ago a papered ragdoll was surrendered she had papers and every thing, I would never in my life thought about adopting her and breeding it, if I want another female for breeding, I would buy one with breeding rights from a breeder, not act like I wanted to rescue one, get it cheap just to breed.
Shelters are there to help homeless animals and reduce over population, to get an animal from a rescue just to breed it is working against all the efforts they are making.
I am sure the rescue the lady got the dog from would LOVE to know this, I am sure the person signed a contract, that they wouldn't breed it and would have it fixed, and by advertising she wants to breed has broken the contract, and the shelter can more then likely take the animal back!
So please, if you do find more out, report her to them! They will be happy to find out, even if they can't do nothing about this one, they may beable to screen better, make the contract in the future that will allow them to take an animal back, or get them to alter animals in the future before placing them. So it may help other animals. How can some one take a dog rescued from a puppy mill, and then use it as a puppy factory, again!
I hope you can help the rescue, by letting them know!
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by celestialrags View Post
Report her Report her Report her!!!!!!!
It is one thing to breed (responsibly), but to take an animal that has been rescued out of a mill, and put back into the same situation is wrong! I work at a shelter, and so many people look for "cheap purebreds" to breed It makes me so mad, they want some thing for nothing, and then will try and make money on it!
A little while ago a papered ragdoll was surrendered she had papers and every thing, I would never in my life thought about adopting her and breeding it, if I want another female for breeding, I would buy one with breeding rights from a breeder, not act like I wanted to rescue one, get it cheap just to breed.
Shelters are there to help homeless animals and reduce over population, to get an animal from a rescue just to breed it is working against all the efforts they are making.
I am sure the rescue the lady got the dog from would LOVE to know this, I am sure the person signed a contract, that they wouldn't breed it and would have it fixed, and by advertising she wants to breed has broken the contract, and the shelter can more then likely take the animal back!
So please, if you do find more out, report her to them! They will be happy to find out, even if they can't do nothing about this one, they may beable to screen better, make the contract in the future that will allow them to take an animal back, or get them to alter animals in the future before placing them. So it may help other animals. How can some one take a dog rescued from a puppy mill, and then use it as a puppy factory, again!
I hope you can help the rescue, by letting them know!
I contact Wolf Spirit and they had not adopted any of this particular mix recently. But they are forwarding the email to other places that might have. In the meantime, I am going to find some other rescues who might have advertized rescuing a litter of puppy mill mixes recently.

The really weird thing is that she was telling me all about why puppy mills are bad and everything. but she thinks that because the vet said he is 100% healthy and doesn't see any problems in the future that the dog is okay to breed. She knows all about testing and stuff but isn't interested in doing it. She said, it's her dog and she can do what she wants with him.
post #6 of 14
Ignorant person. I'm sure the rescue will be happy they were contacted!
post #7 of 14
I would get the name of the rescue, and let them know ASAP!! IMAGINE ANYONE being dumb enough to want to breed puppy mill dogs !! She will probably try to keep a little girl pup and start her own MUTT MILL !! You are doing the right thing! Get info and let the **rescue** know..
post #8 of 14

Yes report her. Who knows, maybe the rescue was trying to save money by not neutering, maybe they were concerned about the negative effects of early neutering (controversial topic I know, but you can make a case for leaving the dog intact until about 6 months for complete physcial development). It may also have been a one-person rescue, overworked and basically paying for everything out of pocket.
It sounds like she is trying to justify making a quick buck. YOu cannot tell how healthy a dog is at 6 months. If it is REALLY ill, you will know. Heck, a lot of those Petland dogs have parvo and Dog-knows-what even while they are still in the store. That does not mean that they do not have a predisposition for some kind of hereditary disease later on.
If you stop this fool from breeding her dog there will be that many fewer mixed breed dogs sold to idiots who are looking to own the designer breed of the minute and then post their whines on dog boards about how much trouble the little stinkers are to take care of. You will be doing a good deed by doing so!
post #9 of 14
definitely report her. My mom is in Maltese/small dog rescue, and they normally don't adopt out dogs that aren't fixed, although I'm sure some places do. I think that even those that will let unfixed dogs go make the adopters sign a contract saying that they'll get the dog fixed, and them wanting to breed that rescue would be a breech of that. My mom had a maltese who was a puppy-mill mama for 13 years, and we've seen the results of the mothers and the puppies that come out of those things. it's just disgusting the conditions those dogs live in and that's putting it super mildly. their health is rarely decent, most pups come out with some kind of disease that you definitely wouldn't want to breed into other dogs. People who will go to those kinds of lengths just to get a few bucks don't deserve to have anything. Like 2dogmom said, you can't tell really how healthy a pup is that young.
post #10 of 14
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So far no luck. And the person hasn't replyed to me lately... but I am still trying and forwarding the email around. I would post it on craigslist but it would get flagged in 2 minutes plus the person would see it probably and really not talk to me anymore. I forwarded it to about a dozen rescues in Ohio and asked them to pass it on.
post #11 of 14
My hat's off to you, Jen, for trying to find out what's going on with this person. Good luck and I hope your efforts help this pup out.

Most reputable rescues screen applicants carefully and will speuter if they can afford to do so. I can't believe any would intentionally release a dog to someone they knew would breed it. I suppose this could be a dog that fell through the cracks if the rescue released with a speuter contract and was unable to keep tabs on the dog. It could also be a lie she's telling to explain a lack of background and/or cover up a theft, etc. Who knows?

BYBs and puppy millers really burn me up
post #12 of 14
I wouldn't be surprised if this person got the dog directly from the puppy mill, the dog never having anything legitimately to do with a rescue organization at all.

Jen, you're still doing the right thing by attempting to report this person...if the dog came from a rescue, the organization will definitely NOT want it to be bred, having come from a puppy mill.
post #13 of 14
Puppy mills don't usually sell to individuals. These are high-volume operations that sell to distributors / brokers such as the Hunte corporation, which in turn supply such scummy outfits such as "Petland". (BTW the AKC nearly came to an agreement with Petland regarding AKC registration. It seems the AKC has now outed itself as an organization devoted to the "love of the $$ to be made off of the purebred dog" as opposed to "for the love of the purebred dog". (http://www.thedogpress.com/ClubNews/....PuppyMill.asp) It was only after massive protests from the parent clubs that they caved and backed away from the deal.) If an individual tries to buy one of those dogs they tend to get suspicious and assume it is some AR activist.
post #14 of 14
Hello, I'm brand new to the forum so please excuse me if this is too of subject, but I just wanted to add a tidbit. my friend has a chi/pug mix and we call her a "chug" and her name is ellie. she is the best dog! She is so cute, perfect little mix if you ask me. And when she is having a bad day we call it a chihuahua day. She was adopted from a shelter
back on subject, try to report it if you can because it just doesn't seem right and I don't even know anything about breeding but I'm on the dog's side. Sometimes people just suck
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