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post #31 of 43
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Originally Posted by gailuvscats View Post
Scientists think these stem cells are the answer to cures for many diseases that are so far incurable. I am in support of the science. Those that oppose it should refuse to use any of the cures that develop from it, thus upholding their moral beliefs.
actually, since the moral belief is that those embryos are human, allowing science to use the cells is saying that their lives are less valuable than others. most people who are against this research do not oppose the science, but the human experimentation & the weighting given to life.
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He puts it beautifully into words of how I felt with the Bush years. We didn't plan for an occupation because anyone who brought it up was labelled a traitor. More and more people were alienated by the arrogance of those in power. And power corrupts most absolutely.
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. i hope you're not saying Bush has absolute power, because he doesn't, thankfully. & he's not likely to, either.
post #32 of 43
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
actually, since the moral belief is that those embryos are human, allowing science to use the cells is saying that their lives are less valuable than others. most people who are against this research do not oppose the science, but the human experimentation & the weighting given to life.
Do they feel that way if they know the embryos are "left over" from IVF, and will be destroyed anyway?
post #33 of 43
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Do they feel that way if they know the embryos are "left over" from IVF, and will be destroyed anyway?
to an extent. the first law against it said current research could be continued, but research using new tissue could not. so since those children had already been sacrificed, it was felt that at least the best possible outcome would be had. i would feel murderous doing either, so i really dislike both choices! i, personally, would prefer to see those embryos offered for 'adoption', so to speak, rather than destroyed. at least that way, they have a chance. there are still people who are unable to have children who would be interested in such an option.
post #34 of 43
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
to an extent. the first law against it said current research could be continued, but research using new tissue could not. so since those children had already been sacrificed, it was felt that at least the best possible outcome would be had. i would feel murderous doing either, so i really dislike both choices! i, personally, would prefer to see those embryos offered for 'adoption', so to speak, rather than destroyed. at least that way, they have a chance. there are still people who are unable to have children who would be interested in such an option.
There's definitely a demand for those embryos, but also people who refuse to donate them, as they can't bear the idea of not knowing who was raising their biological child. I suppose it all boils down to one's personal beliefs as to when "life" begins. Germany has a law similar to the U.S.'s, passed under the last government, and lately there have been more demands from the scientific community to relax the law, as other countries do allow rather unrestricted embryonic stem cell research.
But I'm going
post #35 of 43
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Originally Posted by laureen227
actually, since the moral belief is that those embryos are human, allowing science to use the cells is saying that their lives are less valuable than others. most people who are against this research do not oppose the science, but the human experimentation & the weighting given to life
If they oppose the utilization of these cells because of their moral beliefs, they oppose the science. You could take it further and protect every egg and sperm ever developed. Every one of them could be used for a new life as well.
If they are against this research they are against the science. The research is the science and the results are the benefit of this research and science. I am not opposeed to anyone's beliefs, or morals, but I am oppossed to them imposing their moral beliefs onto me and others. Like I said, if they don't want the science they should not utilize any benefits from it. If they don't believe in abortion, they shouldn't get one. They have no right to interfere with what others chose to do with their bodies and the cells of their bodies.
post #36 of 43
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Originally Posted by gailuvscats View Post
If they oppose the utilization of these cells because of their moral beliefs, they oppose the science. You could take it further and protect every egg and sperm ever developed. Every one of them could be used for a new life as well.
If they are against this research they are against the science. The research is the science and the results are the benefit of this research and science. I am not opposeed to anyone's beliefs, or morals, but I am oppossed to them imposing their moral beliefs onto me and others. Like I said, if they don't want the science they should not utilize any benefits from it. If they don't believe in abortion, they shouldn't get one. They have no right to interfere with what others chose to do with their bodies and the cells of their bodies.
i understand your position, but i don't think you understand mine. it's like telling me, "hey, i don't think cats are worth anything, so it's okay for me to use them for experimentation & research, especially since it will help people, whom everybody knows are worth more than cats." this is the way i feel about those embryos - to me, they're babies. telling me that i should let others simply follow their own conciences is telling me to condone what i believe to be murder. i can't do that.
post #37 of 43
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
to an extent. the first law against it said current research could be continued, but research using new tissue could not. so since those children had already been sacrificed, it was felt that at least the best possible outcome would be had. i would feel murderous doing either, so i really dislike both choices! i, personally, would prefer to see those embryos offered for 'adoption', so to speak, rather than destroyed. at least that way, they have a chance. there are still people who are unable to have children who would be interested in such an option.
Actually the law blocks federal funding of research outside of those core lines. Research can continue on any stem cells but there is extensive documentation involved to make sure that federal funds are not used.
post #38 of 43
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Originally Posted by laureen227 View Post
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. i hope you're not saying Bush has absolute power, because he doesn't, thankfully. & he's not likely to, either.
But he would like it. Fortunately our constitution set up something that prevents the amount of power (those darn activist judges) being taken by any one branch.
post #39 of 43
I don't think "those darn activist judges" even know what the constitution is.
post #40 of 43
Don't you think it's cool that you live in a country where you can bash your politicians without fear of being executed as a traitor? I know I do.

Free speech rocks.
post #41 of 43
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I don't think "those darn activist judges" even know what the constitution is.
Do Bush and his minions? I've been looking for a good, current example to explain the expression "dogsbodies" to non-native speakers of English, and Bush's cabinet is a way too easy target!
post #42 of 43
Last time I looked Bush and his cronies were not judges.
post #43 of 43
like i said, you ever notice how the hate speech seems to be coming from the other side. Makes you wonder who the people that care really are.
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