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post #31 of 58
Ummmm...wow....what a freakin topic I stumbled upon...and.....
post #32 of 58
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Originally Posted by Mirinae View Post
my roommate was one of those "hippie" types who didn't shave or bathe all that frequently. She got it into her head that if she stopped using deoderant and showering frequently, her body would gradually become accustomed to this state and would stop sweating/stinking as much. I can speak from personal experience: yes, you do still stink. You just get used to the way you smell and so you think that you're no longer stinky. You are. Seriously.
OMG, I think I met your roomate!! In Uni, I had a friend who was of similar beliefs. Unfortunately, she did smell of BO. I've heard that theory many times though - about how your body adjusts after time and then you don't smell - I never seen or smelled it proved though.
Personal hygiene is the reason we live longer healthier lives than our cave man ancestors. Kudos to the soap makers!
post #33 of 58
It seems a little weird for me to see a women not shave but I say who cares though men don't shave so why should women. Why does it make a man Gay if he does shave and a women nasty. It just doesnt seem right.
post #34 of 58
Short hijack - I just saw an ad in a magazine for hair dye for "down there." It comes in bright colors, blue, pink, etc.
post #35 of 58
I shave in these areas but I have to say, Max thinks that underarm hair is sexy! If I could get over my learned dislike of it, he'd love it!

Saying it makes you smelly, well, that is pretty nonsensical. People smell for various reasons and having hair on your legs or under your armpits might be one of those reasons, but I really doubt it!
post #36 of 58
I'm kind of self conscious about my body hair. I shave my legs and under my arms at least every two days, more often if necessary. I also wax my bikini line and upper lip, even though there really isn't much hair on my lip and it's blonde.

About the European thing: I suppose it's very regional. In Finland women usually shave. I don't think I know any women who don't, and believe me, I know a lot of hippies.

Actually, quite a few young urban men shave under their arms too, because they feel it's easier to keep clean. This is definately not the majority of Finnish males though.
post #37 of 58
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
I never started shaving my legs as a young girl, and I have VERY light blonde hair on my arms and legs, so people tell me that they would never guess that I don't shave my legs.

My mom told me not to start back when I was about 12, so I didn't, and I have NEVER regretted it!

I do shave my pits, but generally only when I'm going to be wearing tank tops or if there is a need for them to show. I've been single for over 2 years, so no one to impress at home.

By the way - even when I don't shave them for a while, they don't get smelly unless I overwork physically, and then it wouldn't matter if they are hairy or not. Pits are pits, lol.

I do use men's antiperspirant/deoderant, though, I have for years and years - for some reason it works better with my body chemistry than any that are made for women.

And THAT was more information than any of you needed to know, LOL!!!

I'm not going to discuss shaving any other areas of the body...
oh my mom told me the same thing, and i didnt' listen, and boy have i regretted it!!!

now that i have stopped shaving, though, the hair i do have on my legs anyway, has become very sparse and the texture is much softer.....it only needs to be a tad lighter in color and i dont think any one would even notice it

as for armpits, well i have found out that i am much much cooler in the summer-
the hair seems to wick the perspiration away from your skin, and it "spreads it out" more, if that makes sense, so i actually feel drier!

and!! as long as i shower daily and do not do a lot of really physical work- like yard work or whatever,
i no longer need to wear deodorant.
i use powder, i always have, but thats all i need

at first i worried that the hair would just keep on growing and growing, but it reached a certain length and stayed that way
no single hair is longer than an inch

oh, and i have never done a bikini wax or trim....but using a blow dryer is a quick way to dry off- and gentler than what i used to do (dry dry dry til i was nearly raw- Ok back into the TMI zone )
but you need to be careful to have the heat on low, or you can actually cause more problems
(ask me how i know....)

i wish that appearance in general was not so important- because really what percentage of us were "lucky enough" to be born into the category of what ppl think of as beautiful?

so the rest of us end up feeling not quite good enough

its sad because some of the very nicest ppl aren't even close to pretty physically, but are absolutely gorgeous souls


i have more friends online and i honestly believe that its because i am not attractive, and now that i am overwt, i have crossed over from being "plain" to something most ppl would describe as unattractive
i have only a few friends IRL, and i met all of them when i was thinner!!

i worry that if i were to meet any of my cyber friends, they would totally change their opinion of me, based on how i look


when i imagine what my cyber pals look like, i usually picture them younger than they are,
but otherwise see them as "regular" ppl- that is, not in that small very attractive percentage of ppl

and on the few occasions that i have seen their photos, if i discover that they are attractive, i am totally intimidated and worry about not being good enough to be friends with them

sigh
does it really have to be this way?????????????????????????????
post #38 of 58
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Originally Posted by Ryn View Post
About the European thing: I suppose it's very regional. In Finland women usually shave. I don't think I know any women who don't, and believe me, I know a lot of hippies.:lol3
I think it was true 2 generations ago that a lot of European women didn't shave, but now most of them do.
post #39 of 58
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Originally Posted by catnapt View Post
i wish that appearance in general was not so important- because really what percentage of us were "lucky enough" to be born into the category of what ppl think of as beautiful?

so the rest of us end up feeling not quite good enough

its sad because some of the very nicest ppl aren't even close to pretty physically, but are absolutely gorgeous souls


i have more friends online and i honestly believe that its because i am not attractive, and now that i am overwt, i have crossed over from being "plain" to something most ppl would describe as unattractive
i have only a few friends IRL, and i met all of them when i was thinner!!

i worry that if i were to meet any of my cyber friends, they would totally change their opinion of me, based on how i look


when i imagine what my cyber pals look like, i usually picture them younger than they are,
but otherwise see them as "regular" ppl- that is, not in that small very attractive percentage of ppl

and on the few occasions that i have seen their photos, if i discover that they are attractive, i am totally intimidated and worry about not being good enough to be friends with them

sigh
does it really have to be this way?????????????????????????????
This is going , but I really don't believe that the majority of people are so superficial that they choose their friends based on how physically attractive they find them (and remember that that's quite subjective). Warmth, a sense of humor, intelligence, compassion, a certain talent, etc., play far more important a role.
post #40 of 58
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
I think it was true 2 generations ago that a lot of European women didn't shave, but now most of them do.
I'm sure you're right. If I remember correctly, shaving became popular afer WWII. But is not-shaving still common in France or Germany?
post #41 of 58
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
This is going , but I really don't believe that the majority of people are so superficial that they choose their friends based on how physically attractive they find them (and remember that that's quite subjective). Warmth, a sense of humor, intelligence, compassion, a certain talent, etc., play far more important a role.
you know, maybe you're right- i hope you're right.
i think maybe its my own insecurity (and watching too damn much TV) that is clouding my perspective.
that and maybe age too, the older i get, the less i recognize myself in the mirror


i have lost quite a bit of weight and funny thing is, that just makes me look more wrinkled now

ack i need to get over myself some days
:P
post #42 of 58
I just got back into the dating scene, this year and I DO take more pains with my appearance. Face it - most men like long, smooth legs. I would no more think of going out on a date, without shaving, than I would without taking a shower, styling my hair, using deodorant/perfume/makeup and wearing a nice outfit.

Logically, I KNOW that physical appearance isn't the most important thing but, the guy knows that I care enough to make an effort to impress him. I appreciate a well-groomed man. Besides, I have dynamite legs and when I'm togged out in a short skirt and 4" heels I feel sexy and attractive.
post #43 of 58
I personally shave - I don't think I could go without shaving- to me, it would just be kinda gross on myself. But that's just me. I definitely don't think it's attractive for those who do not shave to wear sleveless tops or shorts though with hair hanging out everywhere- I had a piano teacher when I was a MUID major who was from another country- she didn't wear deoderant and she didn't shave, but she loved wearing sleeveless tops- it just smelled aweful and was not a plesant sight when she would raise her arms. Now as far as liking her- she was one of my favorite teachers and I loved her to pieces, i didn't judge her as far as shaving went- it was just unplesant to smell her if you know what i mean. I personally don't care if a person shaves or not- it's their decision, i do however think that if they don't shave though, they should at least wear deoderant and no tank tops./ As far as what others think about you- forget their comments sweetie- you do what works best for you If not shaving works for you, then that's all that matters. You send those meanies my way, i'll them for you!
post #44 of 58
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Originally Posted by Ryn View Post
I'm sure you're right. If I remember correctly, shaving became popular afer WWII. But is not-shaving still common in France or Germany?
Not in Germany, certainly, and judging by my female French colleagues, shaving is usual in France now, too. I'm sure there are some senior citizens who don't shave, but I really haven't seen anybody under say, 60, who doesn't, at least in summer.
post #45 of 58
I learned the blow dryer trick from a college friend way back 1979!!!
I don't shave my legs as much in the winter unless DH starts complaining. No skirts/shorts to wear here in the winter. But underarm hair always!!
I remember one of my college roommates went through a phase where she didn't shave her legs(she worked as a lifeguard during the school year). Then sometimes she would dress up and wear pantyhose-it was pretty gross looking by then!!! So she did finally shave.
post #46 of 58
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Originally Posted by Jen View Post
i usually shave but not much during the fall and winter. I don't wear shorts in teh first place but in the summer I am more liekly to wear cut off pants or capri style pants. I don't think people should assume if you don't shave you have bad hygiene. Men don't usually shave their legs and armpits and they aren't all considered gross and smelly.

To catnapt, I know what you mean about the little pieces of skin, those are skin tags. Some people clip them off but you aren't supposed to. They should be surgically removed. I have one on my neck and one on my shoulder.
i don't shave under my arms, either. i have skin tags, & lots of loose skin since my weight loss, so i don't wear sleeveless stuff. i only shave if i'm going swimming - i think i went twice last summer... i shave my calves in the summer for shorts/capris, but not in winter. but i'm not a very hairy person, anyway - not much there even when i don't shave.
post #47 of 58
I shave in the summer when I go to the beach for a week, other than that, I might do it every few months when the spirit moves me.

I do not wear deoderant, I use the crystal mineral stone instead. Much healthier, and I do not stink. I take a bath every day, well, I might skip sunday in the winter.

It is what you prefer for yourself. American black women don't shave their legs, I am not sure about their pitts. I think your doctor rude to make a comment unless she picked up a whiff? Is that possible? I do try to be well groomed for doctor and dentist, but I wouldn't expect them to make comments, surely they've seen worse than hair.
post #48 of 58
One of my best friends is Ghanian/Chinese and she has NO hair except on her head! She once tried to shave her legs, but didn't have the hair to remove!
It does make me want to kill her sometimes though.
post #49 of 58
Being a lady of a "certain age", I have some areas of unwanted hair. Getting tired of waxing and plucking, I'm making a consultation appointment, to have my upper lip lasered. If that works well, I'm going to periodically have a few other areas attended to.
post #50 of 58
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i am 50 and a bit on the heavy side and no longer wear shorts or sleeveless tops
Me, too. I've discovered that once you get past menopause, the hair doesn't grow much at all. I shaved my legs 3 weeks ago before I went to the dr. & they're still smooth! I guess that's one benefit of getting old

Seriously, it's no one's business. Do what makes you happy.
post #51 of 58
If I remember correctly, I was told once by a lady who was spending a week or two in another country(outside USA). I wish I could remember which, though. Anyways, everyone thought she was a prostitue because she shaved her legs. In their culture, only the prostitutes shaved their legs!

I shave my legs when I'm going to have them showing, otherwise I don't bother. I shave my armpits on a regular basis just because I seem to get less skin irritations if they are shaved.
post #52 of 58
Since my boyfriend and I have been dating (like 4 months) I have been compulsive about hair removal. I shave my underarms/legs/bikini area ALL the time. I am so tired of it. I have to shave everyday or my legs stay prickly. My legs and bikini area stay prickly even right after I shave. I dont know what to do. I want lazer hair removal but its so expensive. I am very distraught about this.
Why is it that its "gross" for women not to shave and "gay" for guys to shave? thats so stupid.
post #53 of 58
I know there is a big difference in shaving with women that live in the USA and those that live in Europe. Shaving is a BIG thing for Americans.

If you wash every day and use deodorant you should be ok. Personally as a woman I don't care how old you are, seeing hair under arms or on legs is gross. Its expected to see it guys - not woman. Now guys with a LOT of underarm hair turn me off

Even if you don't wear shorts or sleevless things as a matter of hygiene I think you should be shaving. Do you swim? If so then you need to shave at least in the spring-fall time (winter you wouldn't have to).

IMO its a lot cleaner and fresher smelling to shave. Hair traps moisture and smells after a short time.

And I think if you have dark hair rather then the blonde, its more noticable and therefore you should shave. I'm lucky with blonde hair - don't have to shave my legs too much but I do shave under my arms all the time
post #54 of 58
So you think people who arent as "blessed" as you to have light hair should inconvenience themselves and shave more often to avoid grossing you out? lol. That's a little extreme dont you think?
As for it being "gross" for women not to shave you do realize it's something we've been conditioned to think. It's all about your culture and society but so is everything else. I admit that i do conform to it though, lol.
I dont know I just dont concern myself with other people's personal preferences that much. If it doesnt hurt me it doesnt bother me. As for smelly people, now that does affect me lol. And I do find that when my pitts are hairy it holds the smell more. But I dont think it means that if you dont shave them you stink. My boyfriend's pitts smell fine.

P.S. Hairy guys turn me off too.
post #55 of 58
Remember this IS an opinion page

And this is my opinion - dark hair on legs/pits of women do gross me out and I'm not apoligizing for my answer Most guys I know do NOT like to see hair on a woman on the legs/pitts, especially dark.
post #56 of 58
I worked in a English as Second Language classroom for 6 months teaching and many of the females (which I worked with primarily, but there were males) I taught did not practice wearing deoderant. It was odd to me..and to be perfectly honest, not that pleasant smelling, BUT it was completely normal to almost all of the people in the class. I guess I just got used to it. I am against forcing STUPID cultural expectations on to other people. It's hard enough being in a new place trying to learn language and everything like that without some condescending person telling you that you stink and to learn "proper" hygiene.
post #57 of 58
It's personal choice. I shave my legs all the way up... I will say that ingrown hairs from shaving are awful.
post #58 of 58
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
It's personal choice. I shave my legs all the way up... I will say that ingrown hairs from shaving are awful.
If you exfoliate before shaving and the moisturize after shaving, it will reduce the amount of ingrown hairs you get
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