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post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by crittermom View Post
I would support it. I think that it is a bunch of BS that they teach our Children to NOT smoke, but yet you see Teachers and staff out back smoking.What kind of message is that giving to kids these days?
I think if you want to smoke, it should be in your own home/car/yard.
I find the smell quite NASTY!!!
I agree with Tammy!
post #32 of 44
A ban like this is seriously wrong and very dangerous. Yep, the people of my state voted for a ban, now I live in a communist state. We have lost almost all of our freedoms in the USA and this is just one more. I am not a smoker, but this type of thing is just dumb. As it is, most public places were already smoke free. But, a bar, restaurant and similar facilities are all PRIVATELY owned businesses that the owner has every right to say whether smoking is allowed or not. Keep the goverment out of our rights, this has to stop now. Yes, I hate cigarette smoke, but I have managed to avoid it without any help from the goverment. I can see it now. Since I dispatch for police and fire departments, I am most certain that I will get calls from people complaining that someone is smoking. What a waste of police time and the tax payers money.
post #33 of 44
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
A ban like this is seriously wrong and very dangerous. Yep, the people of my state voted for a ban, now I live in a communist state. We have lost almost all of our freedoms in the USA and this is just one more. I am not a smoker, but this type of thing is just dumb. As it is, most public places were already smoke free. But, a bar, restaurant and similar facilities are all PRIVATELY owned businesses that the owner has every right to say whether smoking is allowed or not. Keep the goverment out of our rights, this has to stop now. Yes, I hate cigarette smoke, but I have managed to avoid it without any help from the goverment. I can see it now. Since I dispatch for police and fire departments, I am most certain that I will get calls from people complaining that someone is smoking. What a waste of police time and the tax payers money.
I'm a smoker and can see the point of limiting smoking indoors, but a bar? come on! A business owner should have the choice of whether or not to allow smoking and a non-smoker has the right to choose not enter that business
post #34 of 44
Okay, so y'all know how I used to feel about smoking bans. When I moved to Columbus, I was worried about what it would be like to live somewhere where you couldn't smoke in bars or restaurants or... anywhere.

And then I realized how fantastic it is.

I never would have imagined five months ago that I would vote for issue 5 and against issue 4... but I did.

The bartender at my local smokes, but even he was glad because he has worked in bars where you just get smoke blown in your face all night. Not a pleasantness, I'm sure.

It's really not a big deal to go outside (here most places have patios with heaters on them, and I'm sure that'll spread) and it is nice to come home not smelling like smoke, not getting burned by cigarettes if it's crowded, my contacts not stinging... etc. It's really not as big a deal as it seems like until it happens. Also, the business concerns don't make sense if it it statewide, since only people within a couple miles of the state line can just go somewhere else. If you're going out now, you pretty much are going somewhere non-smoking.

Just like how you used to be able to smoke anywhere (according to my parents, you could smoke in classes in college when they went) and then it was limited to certain public places, now its limited to outside. We don't think anything of it now to not be able to smoke in a courtroom or a school or a hospital... and soon it won't seem strange to step outside the bar for a smoke.

As for banning it outside.... that I agree with most of y'all on... that's just ridiculous.
post #35 of 44
Here they are in the process of banning smoking on patios (at the moment you can not smoke on patios if they have an awning or umbrellas and are therefore 'covered' and classed as part of the bar. So instead you get 20 people standing near the front door... because that is so much better than spread out on the patio
post #36 of 44
Banning smoking in bars and restaurants is one thing. OK, I can understand that. I'm a smoker, and I completely understand that. It's when they are trying to ban smoking outside that I have a problem with. Smokers are treated like 2nd class citizens, but the people who drive SUV's and gas guzzling cars just keep on polluting the air, and no one tries to ban them. There have been smokers before I was alive, and there didn't seem to be a big air pollution problem in the past, but now they do. You can't say it's because of the smokers. It's because of the big old gas guzzling SUV's, as well as factories ect ect. I think it's totally wrong for people to say that a smoker doesn't even have the right to smoke outside, while they get into their air polluting SUV and drive all over town. This is just plain insanity.
post #37 of 44
There are more non smokers than smokers, over here at least, so really some sort of smoking ban makes sense. When a ban was proposed here I was surprised to find that even the smokers I knew welcomed it. I'm all for individual rights, but the problem is when there's a conflict between the rights of one group of people and the rights of another. There's enough evidence now that passive smoking is harmful so while I'm happy for smokers to puff away if that's what they want, I also think I have the right to not have their 2nd hand smoke blown in my face. So that pretty much means a ban on smoking in public places.
post #38 of 44
they can ban it all they want.
it wont matter you will make crimmals out of people that are not.
you will make the drugs smugglers richer.

heck i no longer smoke, and i hate it now. but i am really starting to hate the goverment sticking its nose in to all area of are life
post #39 of 44
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but i am really starting to hate the goverment sticking its nose in to all area of are life
I couldn't agree with this more. We all need to start thinking this way, before it is to late. In fact, it is almost to late as it is.
post #40 of 44
I don't smoke (except hookah) so I don't really care. But all I have to say is smoking and drinking go hand in hand. I think it is stupid that they ban smoking in bars. Restaurants make sense that you shouldn't be able to smoke in them. Unless they could do a better job with seperating the smoking section from the non-smoking section. Just a half wall or a curtain doesn't cut it.
post #41 of 44
My state has outlawed smoking in public buildings. I am all for that, but I think outlawing it all together is a bit much and most likely, impossible. What should be 'outlawed' is the right to sue tobacco companies for getting cancer, etc.
post #42 of 44
IMO restaurants should be smoke-free. The outdoors is open and I think smokers should be allowed to smoke with some exceptions like around entrances, parks, etc. I would love to see a "lottery" for smoking bars (similar to liquor license lotteries) where only x number of bars were allowed to be smoking bars. This would allow those who want to drink and smoke to do so in a bar, but those who don't want to be around smoke would still have bars to go to.
post #43 of 44
I'm a little bit confused about the "government sticking its nose in our business" objection.

In Ohio, and in a great many other places and states and such, the bans started with the voters. The smoking ban that passed was a voter initiative, meaning a group of citizens got together and got organized and collected signatures on a petition and got their potential law put on the ballot. Then the majority of voting Ohioans voted for it. And against the constitutional amendment put on the ballot by tobacco companies.

Ask me, we need more laws passed like that. It's not the government sticking its nose in your business, in fact, the government actually had very little to do with the statewide smoking ban aside from enforcing it.

Are the laws about smoking outside being passed like that? (Honest question) I don't think that in a majority of places it would pass currently the way Issue 5 did.
post #44 of 44
Here in California, they are not asking the voters about the bans, especially about smoking outside. They are doing it on their own and the city councils are deciding. As of Thanksgiving day, one can no longer smoke outside in Santa Monica.
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