Is it possible to be Calico AND Tortie?

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XXY is not a hermaphrodite.  The sex organs are male, there are no female sex organs unless they are intersex as well, which would be rarity heaped on further rarity.
 

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XXY is not a hermaphrodite.  The sex organs are male, there are no female sex organs unless they are intersex as well, which would be rarity heaped on further rarity.
So they are just mostly sterile then.

I thought Kleinfelters Syndrome had both male and female secondary sexual development, just under developed, and these males can sometimes have fully developed breasts.  Thanks for that clarification.

I have never heard of an intersex cat, that's why I asked. Has anyone actually seen one?.  It seems like it would be hard to tell in a cat without genetic testing?
 
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I think an intersex cat would be noticed when they are neutered, or possibly afterwards if some internal ovarian or testicular tissue was left behind.

In humans, XXY individuals usually identify as male and whilst they are more likely to have some breast development than XY men, I'm sure we all know guys who have 'moobs' - man boobs....  Or men with rather feminine wide hips & knock knees, but they are normal XY men.  I gather diagnosis is often not made until puberty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

So, if cats are like humans, the main sign of an XXY male cat would be if it's a tortie.  We normally neuter male cats before puberty so of course they don't have the development testosterone produces in an entire... 
 

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I know a dog who's intersexed, they had to basically do both a spay and a neuter at the same time because she had both types of organs.
 

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for example, you are in Finland, where as I don't even know where Finland is
I am from the states
Off topic, but I wouldn't admit that too freely in the future. The rest of the world already thinks America is full of people who don't know about anything outside of our borders.
 

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 This is Lacey, would she be a torbie? she's the nicest cat in the world to me and my boyfriend, but absolutely refuses to let anyone touch her, we got her at 8 weeks and she was handled ALOT as a kitten but it seemed to happen within a month she just started hating everyone.
Her color/pattern in this picture looks very much like two of my cats, except mine don't have any white. The official CFA color designation is brown patched mackerel tabby. Yours would be brown patched mackerel tabby and white. I believe the "patched tabby" in CFA is the same as "torbie" in TICA. CFA does not have a "torbie" desgination as far as I know.
 

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Yeah I think that's what it would be in CFA... I go by what they call the colors/patterns in TICA for my cats because it's hard to say "brown ticked patched tabby" ;) (and white) and since CFA doesn't treat the Household pet cats like the purebreds, they don't truly 'register' them and they don't get points/titles. So I've mostly done TICA shows with my own pets, and I use their designations when referring to my cats colors since TICA is what my cats are registered with. I actually started with CFA shows when Roxy and Church were kittens but once I learned more about showing I switched to TICA with my younger kittens, who all have now earned titles (Church and Roxy didn't though because they stopped showing at 8 months).

Well, except for Roxy who is my Maine Coon, since her breeder uses CFA registration she was registered with CFA first and then I did TICA registration on my own, but she's solid black so I'm pretty sure her color is called the same thing in any registry.
 

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Yeah I think that's what it would be in CFA... I go by what they call the colors/patterns in TICA for my cats because it's hard to say "brown ticked patched tabby" ;) (and white) and since CFA doesn't treat the Household pet cats like the purebreds, they don't truly 'register' them and they don't get points/titles. So I've mostly done TICA shows with my own pets, and I use their designations when referring to my cats colors since TICA is what my cats are registered with. I actually started with CFA shows when Roxy and Church were kittens but once I learned more about showing I switched to TICA with my younger kittens, who all have now earned titles (Church and Roxy didn't though because they stopped showing at 8 months).
Well, except for Roxy who is my Maine Coon, since her breeder uses CFA registration she was registered with CFA first and then I did TICA registration on my own, but she's solid black so I'm pretty sure her color is called the same thing in any registry.
I actually started in CFA with my Household Pets partly because the whole TICA process sounded too complicated for me. Also, partly because there are very few TICA shows close to me. CFA has started (or restarted a very old program) registering HHPs in the last year. There is a push on to start awarding titles as well, but I suspect that's still several years away. Most regions do track points and recognize Regional Winners as well, even without other titles.
 

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There is a push on to start awarding titles as well, but I suspect that's still several years away. Most regions do track points and recognize Regional Winners as well, even without other titles.
As they should, here domestics get different titles ours are gemstones like Ruby, Emerald

Any cat being shown should be eligible for titles and awards, so I hope that changes for you over there
 
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This thread has been heavily edited. Again, let me remind you of one of the guidelines of the Breeders Forum:

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