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post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by peachytoday View Post
The US page program is comprised of 102 individuals who are at least 16 years of age. They are high school junior from around the country and the competition is intense. The are nominated by the pages member of congress so the appointment is not easy to come by.

Personally I don't think Foley was limited to just one eighteen year old page and I don't think he worried about their ages. These are high school students that shouldn't have to worry about this sort of thing. First they should never be put in a position where they have to worry about if they are being sexually harassed and then have to face the decision of what would happen if they reveal what is going on. They are in a once in a life time situation and basically this guy ruined it for him.

At the very least Foley is guilty of sexual harrassment. The fact there was no sexual contact means nothing. And having been a victim of sexual harrassment at a very young age I can tell you it is not as easy as just coming forward or he should have said something. I was never touched when I was sexually harassed instead my boss would make me go into the freezer without my apron to "see what would happen" I was humilated and upset. But I also was living on my own and needed the job. Normally the harrasser is in a position of authority and you are scared that no one would believe you or that you would lose your job. Worse for the pages they lose a chance to make contacts that could last them for a lifetime.

For me Foley is the worst kind of predator. He was in the position of authority. He preyed on young people who are not as savvy with the world. 18 years old and younger. They were in a position that they would be loath to rock the boat and he knew it. He is now making excuses that he did it because... because he is an alcoholic, because he was molested himself.

Tricia
Very well put!
post #32 of 39
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Originally Posted by peachytoday View Post
Worse for the pages they lose a chance to make contacts that could last them for a lifetime.
Tricia
that is so true - the world of politics is a cruel game and i shudder to think of all the good-hearted young people who are victimized, but know that to survive politically, one must keep one's mouth shut.
post #33 of 39
I think what bothers me is the way his confession that he is gay came out. It seemed to feel like another excuse and I feel that it enforces the impression that gay men are pedophiles. Which isn't supported by the data.
post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
I think what bothers me is the way his confession that he is gay came out. It seemed to feel like another excuse and I feel that it enforces the impression that gay men are pedophiles. Which isn't supported by the data.
It seemed lumped in the same category and tone as "I'm an alcoholic" and "I was molested too." All of which sounded like he was trying to pass the buck and not take any responsibility for his actions.
post #35 of 39
I keep hearing questions raised about whether what he did was illegal or not. Even if what he did was not technically illegal, it is absolutely immoral! These parents trusted their children in the hands of the government and a man of authority took advantage of that trust.

Resigning simply isn't enough punishment - I truly hope they can find criminal charges in all of this.
post #36 of 39
Foley isn't the first member of Congress to have improper contact with a page. Its been going on for years, in BOTH parties. Congress has long been plagued with alcoholism and sexual misconduct, just like any OTHER powerful group.

In 1983, Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass) was censured for having an affair with a 16 y/o male page. He was re-elected to six more terms, retiring in 1996.

There have been numerous other incidents but, these reports usually surface, just before an election. I'm not condoning the behavior but, the timing of this report DOES seem suspicious.
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by katl8e View Post
There have been numerous other incidents but, these reports usually surface, just before an election. I'm not condoning the behavior but, the timing of this report DOES seem suspicious.
The timing is suspicious - but if the House leadership would have investigated it fully, then it would have blown over long before the election.
post #38 of 39
Two Words: Chemical Castration
post #39 of 39
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR View Post
Two Words: Chemical Castration
The problem with that is that castration doesn't eliminate the sexual urges or the sexual outlets required, just the ability to have penetrative sex with that specific appendage. There is more than one way (penetration) to victimize someone...and often, chemical castration creates additional frustration and anger.

So, now you may not have just a predator, but a more dangerous, aggressive and frustrated predator...
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