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post #1 of 24
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I received a letter from an organization called In Defense of Animals. The letter was very disturbing, it's about people in South Korea who stuff dogs and cats into filthy crates and torture them to death and then use them for the meat trade. The letter was asking for as generous a donation as possible and had a petition to sign to send to South Korean legislators urging them to enforce animal protection laws. I also saw pictures which are horrific.

Appalled, upset and wanting to help put a stop to this cruelty I went on their website, signed the petition and charged $50.00 on my credit card. Afterwards I read their website some more and found out that these are a group of animal rights extremists like PETA who believe that not only should we live a vegan lifestyle, we should make our dogs and cats vegan too. That I do not support at all.

So now my question is, does anyone here know anything about this organization? Is it a good thing that I gave this organization $50.00 because the animal cruelty in South Korea must be stopped or is it a bad thing because I don't really know where my money is going nor do I know very much about this organization and whether or not I can trust them?
post #2 of 24
I don't know anything about them, but if you're unhappy or uncomfortable with your donation, would it be possible for you to contact your credit card company and have the transaction cancelled?
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mirinae View Post
I don't know anything about them, but if you're unhappy or uncomfortable with your donation, would it be possible for you to contact your credit card company and have the transaction cancelled?
Probably not because I will need some time to learn more about this organization first and by the time I know about them, it will be too late. I am very appalled and upset by the news of animal cruelty in South Korea, but I am ignorant about this organization at the same time. So I don't know what would be wise, taking my money back or hoping that they use my money wisely to help stop the horrific animal cruelty they wrote me about.
post #4 of 24
I had a look on their website, and under homeless pets, it says the things you can do to help are:

* Adopt animals from local animal care facilities, rescue groups, and shelters instead of purchasing them from breeders or pet stores.
* Have your companions spayed or neutered.
* Educate your community, friends and family about animal homelessness.

So it sounds as though they're not TOO extremist in that respect...
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
I had a look on their website, and under homeless pets, it says the things you can do to help are:

* Adopt animals from local animal care facilities, rescue groups, and shelters instead of purchasing them from breeders or pet stores.
* Have your companions spayed or neutered.
* Educate your community, friends and family about animal homelessness.

So it sounds as though they're not TOO extremist in that respect...
That's general talk. Peta will say the same thing. But look under what they have to say about veganism applying to pets, not just humans.

It's the way they're asking for money and mailing out letters of animal cruelty horror stories along with disturbing pictures and on top of this they're promoting vegan lifestyle for people and cats and dogs. This is what's making me question them and where my money is going.
post #6 of 24
One should always do their research first before making credit cards payments on-line. When it comes to the internet, I am very careful about giving out information, visa number, personal info, etc.

You may be too late to get your money back and it's now a moot point where your money is actually going.

I can only suggest that in future you do more research before paying up.
post #7 of 24
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I just wish I knew where to look to do the research. I feel like there is no source of information I can access that will tell me how this organization spends their money and whether or not they're trustworthy.

I hate getting letters in the mail with sensationalized pictures of animal cruelty, and if it is a scam to make money it makes me truly angry but if they're just trying to get financial help to put an end to a problem that truly is happening now, that's different and animal cruelty really must be stopped and I feel I must give my support. The problem is I have no way of finding out the truth.

And I hate animal rights groups who believe in forcing their vegan lifestyle choices on carnivorous companion animals such as cats.

This is the problem, if you donate to one charity organization, a good one for example, like the San Diego Humane Society(I say this because I live in San Diego), before you know it your mailbox is flooded with letters from from just about every so called non-profit charity organization trying to get as much money from you as they can. I get letters from PETA whom I don't support, In Defense of Animals(the one I'm posting about), HSUS who has literally sent me bribe gifts in the mail such as HSUS(Humane Society of the United States) umbrellas and address books expecting a dollar amount in return, Alley Cat Alleys whom I admire for their TNR work but resented when they called me by phone on a Sunday to ask me to increase my donation from $25.00 to $50.00 and I haven't donated to them in a long time, nor can I commit to donating money all the time. I'm not rich. I only give to whom I want to when I want to and when I can afford it. Why don't they pester those millionaires instead?
post #8 of 24
I can't give you any advice about the organization, but I do know that you acted in the right spirit and that your generous gift will somehow do good in the end. I didn't know that cats were tortured, too , but I did know that dogs are beaten and hung because it supposedly makes the meat more tender
BTW, my grandson moved to San Diego 2 years ago, and I have met the most wonderful people there We went to the San Diego Cat Fanciers' Cat show in Feb., at Del Mar Fairgrounds & it was so much fun!! And there are alot of wonderful cat rescue groups there, maybe in the future you can donate to one of those causes.
post #9 of 24
I just visited the website and couldn't find out anything about them recommending veganism for dogs and cats I did find EXCELLENT advice from their cat therapist about the dynamics of introducing a kitten to an older cat:http://www.idausa.org/cat_therapist/index.html - It's the second question/answer down, and I really think that this cat therapist is very insightful I'm marking it in my "favorites" for future reference. Who'd've thought that I could get a great article about cat behavior in the "IMO Forum"
post #10 of 24
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It is on this part of the site but you would have to scroll down a bit to get this information. http://www.idausa.org/siteinfo/faq.html

I'd like to share a different interesting website I discovered. This organization is for animal welfare but they oppose the animal rights movement. National Animal Interest Alliance.

http://www.naiaonline.org/
Also here it explains some big differences between animal welfare and animal rights.
http://www.naiaonline.org/about/poli...ro.htm#welfare
post #11 of 24
I don't want to change the topic, but I wanted to add that I personally don't like when donations are solicited. I decide who and which groups I want to donate my money to, and I then I donate to them on my own. I feel that not only is this safer, but that my money is really going where I want it to when I have initiated it.
post #12 of 24
My general rule about donations is that if there is no one to call or write to about how the money is used then I won't donate. If they are working for multiple causes, you should be able to specify which cause your money will help. I know I would be upset if I donated $50 to stop animal cruelty and the money was used to print brochures promoting veganism for dogs and cats
post #13 of 24
Honestly I would cancel the transaction immediatley. There are so many scammers out there, I would never ever send money to someone especially via credit card online. I get enough phony calls and emails for my "bank account" which can totally sound real.ld cancel it immediately, if you find out later on that they are okay, then I would find out their address and who to directly send donations to, and send a money order or something, or if anything a check.

Someone could easily come onto this site and look up a bunch of contact information for people and get to us that way. Since we are obvious animal lovers they already have the advantage with sending us emails about animal cruelty because we are more likely to care.
post #14 of 24
Well I would not send money to something I knew nothing about. And in my personal opionion please don't bite my head off, but PETA is a fraud developped in the name of animals to stuff money in higher ups pockets. They support breed specific laws to ban pitbulls and rotties and such dogs and they go way over board in their actions and they really don't care if they hurt people in the process. Don't get me wrong I believe in animal rights and welfare but you have to remember people and animals in balance. And I am firmly against BSL because it solves nothing. So I would never back PETA or any other similar operation. I think originally they started out to do good but the greened eyed monster saw the money involved. Personally I would get my money back and do more research. And if you want to donate money to a cause like that then I would try and get other people to help you and do it on your own or with the help of the SPCA.
post #15 of 24
PETA's backing the breed bans? Do they have any idea how many dogs are needlessly euthanized? I hadn't heard of that before although I have heard of a lot of problems with their "shelter," like they euthanized a healthy animal within half an hour of it being surrendered. Do you have a link to the breed ban issue?

Generally I prefer to support local charities such as my county Humane Society, the local no-kill shelter, etc. The larger the charity is the more overhead costs and office people there are compared the the actual working part. This means a greater percentage of your money is going to fund salaries for CEOs instead of the programs you meant to fund.
post #16 of 24
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Oh, I never did support PETA, it was another organization that I was posting about but I will never donate money to them again.

I wonder if anyone has ever seen this site. Here is one of many reasons I don't support PETA.

www.petakillsanimals.com

The Animal rights agenda is that we have nothing to do with animals, not as pets, not as seeing eye dogs, they want animals and people separated permanently. And some have taken it to the extreme of euthanizing domesticated cats and dogs and attempting to ban breeding, even though purebred cats are only 1% of the population and responsible breeders are not responsible for the overpopulation crisis.

Animal welfare is simply the humane treatment of all animals including the ones we use whether for pet ownership and animals destined to be eaten.

Big difference.
post #17 of 24
I think in one of my sights I can find a link and if I can't one of the managers can.
post #18 of 24
[quote=Naturestee;1368225]PETA's backing the breed bans? Do they have any idea how many dogs are needlessly euthanized? I hadn't heard of that before although I have heard of a lot of problems with their "shelter," like they euthanized a healthy animal within half an hour of it being surrendered. Do you have a link to the breed ban issue?QUOTE]

http://www.workingpitbull.com/truthaboutpeta.htm That's the link a friend gave to me on the issue.
post #19 of 24
Thanks so much for the link! I didn't know it was possible to hate PETA more. Considering I've heard of PETA members releasing domestic animals like cats and rabbits to "live free in the wild."
post #20 of 24
I donate only to animal efforts in my state...that way, I know the organizations and I know what the money will be used for. Until there is no overpopulation in Virginia, the animals in my state deserve my voice, time and money.

Katie
post #21 of 24
I have no respect for PETA at all. They may have started out as an organization that helped raise consciousness about how we as humans deal with animals, but now all I hear about them is hypocrisy and attention-getting publicity stunts.
Ingrid Newkirk has come out in support of a Pit Bull ban:

Quote:
"People who genuinely care about dogs won't be affected by a ban on pit- bull breeding. They can go to the shelter and save one of the countless other breeds and lovable mutts sitting on death row. We can only stop killing pits if we stop creating new ones. Legislators, please take note."
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAkillPitbulls.php

And as far as euthanization, PETA has gone into that business as well. PETA members have repeatedly killed adoptable animals that they were supposed to be saving: (and allow me to mention that only veterinarians are allowed to perform euthanisia)
http://www.lincolntribune.com/module...p?storyid=1420

This is the kind of thing they consider appropriate

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast...eta.holocaust/
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=1266

I think it is a horrible shame that some average people still think of PETA as a "good" organization and give them money.

Unfortunately, the HSUS is also not exactly clean. This link is a little inflammatory:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/2879
but it supports what I had read on dog boards posted by individuals following Katrina. What a lot of people do not know is that there is no connection between your local "Humane Society" and the HSUS.

I give to my local shelters. I can see and talk to the people there and I know what they do (I think).
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by moggiegirl View Post
I just wish I knew where to look to do the research. I feel like there is no source of information I can access that will tell me how this organization spends their money and whether or not they're trustworthy.

I hate getting letters in the mail with sensationalized pictures of animal cruelty, and if it is a scam to make money it makes me truly angry but if they're just trying to get financial help to put an end to a problem that truly is happening now, that's different and animal cruelty really must be stopped and I feel I must give my support. The problem is I have no way of finding out the truth.

And I hate animal rights groups who believe in forcing their vegan lifestyle choices on carnivorous companion animals such as cats.

This is the problem, if you donate to one charity organization, a good one for example, like the San Diego Humane Society(I say this because I live in San Diego), before you know it your mailbox is flooded with letters from from just about every so called non-profit charity organization trying to get as much money from you as they can. I get letters from PETA whom I don't support, In Defense of Animals(the one I'm posting about), HSUS who has literally sent me bribe gifts in the mail such as HSUS(Humane Society of the United States) umbrellas and address books expecting a dollar amount in return, Alley Cat Alleys whom I admire for their TNR work but resented when they called me by phone on a Sunday to ask me to increase my donation from $25.00 to $50.00 and I haven't donated to them in a long time, nor can I commit to donating money all the time. I'm not rich. I only give to whom I want to when I want to and when I can afford it. Why don't they pester those millionaires instead?
www.guidestar.org You can register for free and see how they disperse their funds. They have a 990 on file. Hope this helps.
post #23 of 24
I would never support this group. They do not support private ownership of exotics and would use your hard earned money to pass legislation banning the right to own such animals, instead of using the money for the care of the animals. This to me, is another terrible AR Animal Rights group that must not be supported. If you want to help animals in need, donate to your local shelters. Another good organization is Best Friends animal sanctuary. I do not believe they support any of these stupid ban laws or have the same AR agenda. They rescue many animals in need and help out with spay/neuter projects to help control the over population problems.
post #24 of 24
This group sounds like a total scam to me.

The dog meat issue in South Korea is really more complicated than they are making it out to be. First of all, only a certain type of dog is bred for meat. SOME people beat the dogs, others just plain old kill them. I have never heard of South Koreans eating cats--that is more common in China.

Next, it would be incredibly difficult to petition the Korean government to ban the sale of dog meat and I am sure this group is well aware of that. Their letters and petitions would do absolutely nothing but cause a very minor annoyance.
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