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post #31 of 43
I am glad to hear that Too many cats end up in shelters because of this common problem. And I do hope she stays good, who knows, you might be able to instill a new habit in her. I dont think one should ever give up on his or her cat, but I did want to make clear that we have to stay realistic, and that some problems will probably never be solved. Let us hope yours is not one of them
post #32 of 43
I feel for everyone on this thread. We have two cats. One from a rescue centre who has taken to weeing on the playroom mat or front door mat. She would happliy go outside before.

The smell is awful ( she is not even spraying!) . Its so hard not to get annoyed with her. She is such a lovely cat but I cant have her weeing where my children play. She will do it on their coats and their toys if they are left out.

Im going to try the olbas oil.
post #33 of 43
Thread Starter 
Good luck Tiffin. I know exactly what you mean about trying not to get annoyed. More than once I've wanted to swat her or do something else to "punish" her but I knew that wasn't the answer. When it was really bad (2-3 times a day) I would yell but I quickly learned that that just made her scared of me and that made me very sad. Keep reading here... there's lots of tips on how to break this habit and re-litter train your cat. I'd start by confining her to a room w/ a box if you can and see if she uses it then. It could also be the smell of the mats if they have rubber backing. I've heard that cat's find the rubber smell offensive and try to cover it w/ their urine.
post #34 of 43
Thread Starter 
Well, back for an update after more than a year and not much has changed. It goes in spurts. Recently I've upgraded the litter box... again and I've started taking her to it a few times a day. If she goes in the box she gets lots of treats and praise. She's goo 90% of the time. Durring the day and when we're home at night she's fine. She seems to be peeing on the floors after we've gone to bed and I suspect it's after I've closed the bedrrom door in the very early morning when Wickett wants to play and we're trying to sleep. I get up in the morning to what appears to be relatively fresh pee on the floor. I'm considering shutting her into a room at night to see what happens but I don't for 2 reasons. I don't want her to start peeing on carpet/clothes or anything other than the kitchen floor and I'm afraid that Wickett will have a fit if I separate them which means he'll be walking around howling all night.
post #35 of 43
Do you have only ONE litterbox? That's the jist I get from reading through this thread.

I have a couple of cats that prefer to only poop in one box and only pee in the other - have you tried adding a litterbox or two?
post #36 of 43
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
Do you have only ONE litterbox? That's the jist I get from reading through this thread.

I have a couple of cats that prefer to only poop in one box and only pee in the other - have you tried adding a litterbox or two?
Nope, I've had as many as 4 at one time (for 2 cats) and the number of boxes doesn't seen to have any relation to her not using it.
post #37 of 43
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Nope, I've had as many as 4 at one time (for 2 cats) and the number of boxes doesn't seen to have any relation to her not using it.

OK, just had to ask. I have no clue what to say, then.
post #38 of 43
Thread Starter 
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OK, just had to ask. I have no clue what to say, then.
Ya, me either. But thanks for the thought.
post #39 of 43
By no means am I an expert, but if you think Frankie might be peeing because you shut the door, which is in turn because Wicket's waking you up during the night, maybe you could try confining Wicket to a room during the night? (The seperation anxiety problem might make it unbearable, but at least you wouldn't have to worry about him peeing on the floor.)

Just a thought.
post #40 of 43
I know you didn't like the Cat Attract litter because it didn't clump well - so what about using regular clumping litter with the Cat Attract additive? That seemed to help a while back....

And I have an interesting thought, though I don't know if it is either practical or whether or not it will work. That said..... they have cat doors that are activated by a collar the cat wears. Any way to put a cat door in your bedroom door so Frankie can come and go but Wickett can't?

Also, someone else with a litter box problem was just asking about a site hissy referred them to. Because it's a behaviorist, maybe it's worth the $80 to give it a shot? Here's a link: http://www.catpsych.com/352.html

You can try the retraining. We put Spooky in our guest bedroom when we'd gotten to our wit's end. I spent all day in there with her (I could work from home) - and she still started stress over-grooming, though others have had success by doing this.

We ended up using Elavil (amitryptaline). I know you've avoided using meds all these years, but keep it in the back of your mind. Many hate this idea - but it really helped us, and it's helped a lot of others. I know Spooky benefited from it. It is NOT effective as an anti-anxiety medication. Most people doctors actually prescribe it to help people get sleep. But our vet swears by it for litter box problems - and it worked for us. It causes cats to retain their urine. Spooky would do one huge pee a day - always in the box. It started working like almost RIGHT away - even though it does take two weeks to get fully into kitty's system. She did sleep a lot for the first few weeks. But for us, it gave everyone a much needed break. After that, she was back to her playful, loving self - just happier, no longer over-grooming, and no longer peeing out side the box. We kept her on it for 4 - 5 months, and weaned her off of it over a few weeks.

I'm really not sure why everyone is so against medications for kitties in situations like this. I agree - everything else should be tried first. But when you've done that - where do you turn? I know plenty of people on mood altering drugs - they're going to be on them the rest of their lives, and they're happier - more stable - people for it. I don't know why there is such a huge stigma against this option when it comes to pets.

I just know this has been going on for years with Frankie now. For Spooky, separating her to retrain her just stressed her even further. We had to do something to break the cycle. And it worked.

Just something to keep in mind.



Laurie
post #41 of 43
Thread Starter 
Well, we were at my in-laws over the weekend (Friday night to Sunday afternoon) and we amazingly came home to a dry floor. It's also dry this morning. It does look like she tried to pee on the front of the box (she did this with the old box) but since I cut the "door" so low it all ended up in the box anyway. I think I may have outsmarted her there.

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Originally Posted by Cocoalily View Post
By no means am I an expert, but if you think Frankie might be peeing because you shut the door, which is in turn because Wicket's waking you up during the night, maybe you could try confining Wicket to a room during the night? (The seperation anxiety problem might make it unbearable, but at least you wouldn't have to worry about him peeing on the floor.)

Just a thought.
If I confine Wickett he just sits there and cries the most pitiful cry. He has serious separation issues unless I let him come snuggle early in the night. I want to find a solution that works for everyone. I'd hate to "punish" Wickett for Frankie's bad behavior.

Laurie,
I've been using a mix of half cat attract and half regular stuff and it clumps well enough. I didn't know that they made an additive until I was reading Bea's thread. I may try that instead of mixing the litter.

I've been thinking about trying to find a behaviorist so I'm going to bookmarking that link.

I'm afraid that confining her to retrain her will only cause more problems. I mean, if she's peeing because she's shut out of a room she rarely uses then imaging how upset she'll be if I shut her into a room. She's NEVER been confined in the 10ish years that I've had her... never. It would really change her world.

The only reason I've avoided meds is because of how hard she is to pill. I'm at the point where if it continues (I'll try a behaviorist first) I'm going to talk to the vet about it at her next annual check up. Particularly if we get pregnant soon. I can't have a baby crawling around on pee covered floor. I know I'll have about 2 years before that's an issue but still. I even had a "chat" with Frankie about that when I changed the LB again a few weekends ago. She wasn't happy about the lecture but I do think she "gets" some of what I'm saying.

So, knock on wood, she's been really good the past 2 weeks. In fact, she's getting used to getting treats for peeing in the box. Last night I was making some veggie stock for the week and I hear her going potty. I asked her if she was being a good girl and when she came out of the box she waited in front of it for me to come give her treats. Works for me! Now I just need to work on brushing her teeth.
post #42 of 43
I'm so glad to hear things have been going better.

"Feline Greenies" received a GREAT review in being terrific treats for helping plaque (as opposed to any other treats for cats' teeth).

As to the teeth brushing, Spooky has a REALLY bad problem with her teeth. She's had a dental every year from age one, and we've brushed her teeth about 3 - 4x a week for the past 2 years - and she still had to have two teeth removed last year.

She LOVES being brushed, so we brushed her cheeks with the tooth brush first. It was simple to move from that to having her teeth brushed. She loves it now!

Laurie
post #43 of 43
Thread Starter 
I'm begining to take this personally!

We left early Friday morning to visit my in-laws and for the Ohio Meet-up. I cleaned the litter box out completly Thursday and scooped before we left. She had NO "accidents" while we were out of town. She was also perfect last year when we were gone for a week for our wedding/honeymoon. She always acts happy to see us and often comes to bed with us our first night home (she doesn't ususally sleep with us) but almost inevitably, she will pee on the floor the first night too?! I was going to try and call a behavorist last week while I was on vacation but she was too. I guess at some point I'll have to take a personal day to do it or see if the woman does weekends. I just don't get it... there is NO pattern.
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